Che - and he that had him killed.

[laverdad]

As a true socialist my great admire for Che is always companied with an even greater sadness of the cynic evilness of the man that planned his death as he planned the death of the other great revolutionary Camillo Cienfuegos too.
This man, the true author of the famous and false letter he read in front of his victims beloved wife, the greatest and most reckless manipulator this world have ever seen, this man that kills with one hand and comforts the victims family with the other, he that terminates then cries for his enemies, ese GRAN ACTOR, he that turned the freedom - given by the revolution - to a prison of thoughts, he that hails himself, he that is a lawyer that turned a judge - he that judges without trial - he that oppresses the freedom to speak - also for him will come the day that truth will rule over his government of lies - for he has not yet killed all of those that know - old men still speaks in small chambers of trust in the isle of mistrust. Because his road of mistreat has been long, much longer than the caminos of Sierra Maestra, the witnesses too many, from the killing of the young child in exchange for information from the granma colonel, from the bomb in Camillos plane, from the leak of the confidential position of Che to CIA, why? why? Why this love of power, why this twisted obsession of himself, why this opression of thought, why this continueosly rewriting of history. Why? It puzzles my mind as it puzzles the mind of the entire peaceloving socialist community within la patria.

[Pete]

Are you asking for info about Che's Death (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/index.html#declass)?


I Have more to comment on but school beacons.

[Larissa]

Honestly, I truly believe Fidel did not kill Che nor Camilo.

[thursday night]

Fidel would never do such a thing! It is simply idiotic to claim that he would cripple the revolution by having two great socialists executed like that.

[Wolfie]

Well, if he did kill Camilio and Che then why not Raul, who, even though his brother, was still more of a threat than Camilio ever was.

[El Barbudo]

Fidel may have killed Che and Cienfuegos. USSR asked Communist Party of Bolivia and La Havane to not support Che's insurection. We dont know Moscow may have give to Fidel to kill Che...

Che was anti-USSR. Khroutchev may have asked Fidel to kill him for money, troops, weapons...

[MEXCAN]

i truly believe that Camilo was killed by one of the two brothers !!!!

[El Barbudo]

How can you be sure? Does anyone has ever looked for clues that may tell us it was Fidel or Raul?

[suffianr]

I've had my doubts about this issue for a long time...But let me ask you this; is a man sometimes worth more as a martyr? Would Che's influence have spread so far if he were still with us today? Or are we here now because we believe that he lived and died for a cause that was not in vain, and so wish to carry on that cause in his memory?

[El Barbudo]

It's a little bit like Arafat in Palestin and Castro in Cuba... They used to be heros, but now they are nothing but old timers... Che stays the young and charismatic leader he used to be in our heads.

[onepunchmachinegun]

I think all conspiracy theories are kind of funny. But still I can't believe in most of them, and certainly not this.

This sounds like the biggest CIA trick.
"Hey, we make people think that it was Fidel that killed Che. Che is out of the way and if everything goes to plan, we have Fidel out of Cuba in no time!"

By the way: I've never heard on any occasion that Fidel had spoken a bad word about Che. Perhaps one of the brothers killed Camillo, I can't say! But still, in no way I can see why Fidel should have Che killed. USSR could have forced Fidel to kill him, but still... Why wouldn't they have send their troops themselves? Or let the CIA do it?

[El Barbudo]

Fidel didnt always agree with Che, because Che was a real communist, when Fidel was a socialist... Also, Che was a maoist, so USSR may have asked Fidel to kill Che, because there was a fuck between USSR and China...

[Larissa]

Quote: from El Barbudo on 8:00 pm on April 10, 2003
Fidel didnt always agree with Che, because Che was a real communist, when Fidel was a socialist... Also, Che was a maoist, so USSR may have asked Fidel to kill Che, because there was a fuck between USSR and China...Yes, but still Che was far too valuable for Fidel to kill him. Che was Fidel's revolutionary drema for Latin America. These guys might have had their differences but they were not morons.

[El Barbudo]

hmmm...
fidel used che, and when che became maoist, fidel tried to put che out of the governement

[Larissa]

In my opinion, despite Che became maoist, Fidel was not very fond of becoming a USSR colony. He'd rather spread socialism within Latinamerica and Che was his best ally.

[El Barbudo]

Cuba couldnt trade with South America because they have been put away from OEA. USSR was the only place where Cuba could sell sugar, they needed USSR. I think Fidel may have sacrificed one of his friend ''so the revolution may continue''. Using this sentence doesnt mean i agree.

[angry]

WTF ?!?!??? pls, pls, pls, do not tell me that you have even let the idea of Fidel killing Ernesto che Guevara de la Serna his best friend ?? are you nuts..??

[notyetacommie]

Laverdad. Do you have any proof or are just trying to mess it all up? a lot of Soviet documents have been declassified, as evil and as secret as Molotov-Ribbentrop act. Do you think this would still be kept secret? So, I say: come up with ANY documented evidence (like the declassified CIA files that say it was CIA) or stop gossiping, as this is certainly not in the spirit of revolution.

[El Barbudo]

plz read ''compagnero: live and death of che guevara.

and if u say both soviet, americans and english files arent good, there is nothing more...

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I've joined this a bit late, but anyway...

I've read 3 or 4 books about Che's death. I forget who they were by because they are in my school library and are not my own. But none of them suggest at all that Fidel was involved. They do suggest a variety of things... the books interpretations on the actual events in Bolivia vary immensely i.e. the situation with Regis Debray and Ciro Bustos.

I personally don't think Fidel would've wanted it. I don't know from where that idea was conceived. Maybe some American tactic or something. Che wanted to go to Bolivia, wanted to spread the revolution and everything he did was down to him. Ultimately, the man who brought Che's downfall was Che. But that is what adds to the love for him... doing everything for the cause.

suffianr's post about the whole martyr thing is spot on. Can you imagine an image of Che now? Wouldn't be as appealing as the Korda. That's the whole fear behind killing bin Laden...he would be a martyr in the Islamic world. A martyr of greater proportions than anything ever seen.

Fidel didn't need Che's bad feelings towards USSR....but when you look at it really, Fidel would not have wanted Che dead.

[Malvinas Argentinas]

Quote: from angry on 7:05 am on April 18, 2003
WTF ?!?!??? pls, pls, pls, do not tell me that you have even let the idea of Fidel killing Ernesto che Guevara de la Serna his best friend ?? are you nuts..??


I dont think they were best friends, they were comrads in the revolution, che critized castro of being sectarist, castro didnt have any reason for critizising che, i admire castro although not as much as che. Although they werent best friends i still believe castro would have led che to death, but i believe that he wouldnt have died if castro wasnt that sectarist

[angry]

Castro and Che were indeed best friends, that´s where you are mistaken :/, read the farewell letter from castro to che, and all the other letters, yes it is true that they had disagreements in somethings, but none that affected their friendship heavily, it is known that CIA with help from bolivian army caught and killed che, there is no doubt about that, so you will excuse me if i find your conspiracy theory absurd..(i am not talking to you malvinas, i am talking to all of those who are confronting such theories..)..

peace..

[Severian]

This rumor was started by Che's actual killers, from the CIA and the Bolivian army. They claimed that, before they killed him, Che had expressed some disappointment over the support he'd received from Cuba.

This is unlikely to be true: even if Che had some problem with this, why would he express it to his captors?

Over time, the rumor has grown from this beginning.

There is no other evidence whatsoever to support it. There's nothing in Che's diary, for example, to indicate any disagreement with Fidel, or any sign that Cuba wasn't doing everything possible to support Che and his guerilla.

And just so we're clear, Camilo Cienfuegos was killed in a plane crash, returning to Havana after putting down a military mutiny in eastern Cuba. He had just shown once again his loyalty to the revolutionary government, or to "Fidel Castro" for those of you who like to personalize everything. There is no evidence whatsoever of conflict between Fidel and Camilo.

Other than those two, the central leadership of the Cuban revolution has remained intact since the Sierra. No purges. The Cuban revolution, unlike so many others, has not eaten its children.

Again, this whole business about Fidel betraying Che is, in its origins, a CIA slander.

Now the Bolivian Communist Party betraying Che, on the other hand, you can read about that in Che's diary.