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communist cow
26th July 2003, 06:58
wow, i have been craving to go out and find a english translation of mine kompf, you know - hitlers "great" book. i am really interested in the rise of the fascist Nazi Germany, and i have really wanted to read this book just to see what the hell was going on

Hampton
26th July 2003, 07:29
I don't think the book is about the rise of Nazi Germany, more like his fascist rant. Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich by William Shirer is a good book to learn about the subject, it's only 1264 pages.

(Edited by Hampton at 2:33 am on July 27, 2003)

Rastafari
26th July 2003, 19:39
I believe you are looking for "Mein Kompf"
You could learn everything about Hitler by watching Cable Television. I swear to god, on Discovery Health they have about Hitler having one nut, on History they have him pissing on his neice, and on Animal Planet he sodomizes sheep.

I read part of the Shirer book (300 pages), but got bored and said fuck it. We always thought the Bierhall Putsch was named after somebody who came up with it, like the famous nazi drunk Otto "von Bierhall" Putsch.

bluerev002
26th July 2003, 20:55
I have that book, havent read it yet though. I think its kinda like the Das Kapital for Nazims.

Maybe I'm not sure, the book is called Mein Kompf (My struggle) so it could be about him.

schumi
26th July 2003, 21:39
guys the book is called "Mein Kampf"
and I think it's illegal in Holland to have it...at least you can't find it in any library and bookstore...

Ian
27th July 2003, 12:09
It's not really worth getting, you can imagine what it would be like, demonizes jews and communists etc...

Wouldn't go so far as to call it the Das Kapital for nazis, frankly because I like Das Kapital and it's economic stuff and Mein Kampf is just fantasy crap!

Invader Zim
28th July 2003, 14:51
I read about a quater of it, until I became excessivly board with it and could not be bothered to continue reading. It really is excessivly boring. With stupid rants about Jews etc...

:yawn:

canikickit
28th July 2003, 23:29
It was written at the beginning of the twenties, so as already said you won't get any information about the rise of his regime.

You can read it online, do a search for it.

Invader Zim
29th July 2003, 01:32
Quote: from canikickit on 11:29 pm on July 28, 2003
It was written at the beginning of the twenties, so as already said you won't get any information about the rise of his regime.

You can read it online, do a search for it.

Not that any sane person would want to...

Zombie
29th July 2003, 02:09
if you want it, and can't find it in libraries, search for it on the net, specially on Kazaa and such P2p software. You'll definitely find it in pdf format, if not html or rtf.

timbaly
31st July 2003, 02:32
I saw it at a barnes and nobles book store near me. It was one of the thickest books I've seen and it was a whopping $35 even though it was paperback. I was actually considering reading it, but luckily for me I was wise enough to sample it. Once i read ten random pages I felt as if I already read the book. It was just mindless rants littering the pages all over the place. It's not worth anyone's time under any circumstances.

suffianr
31st July 2003, 02:54
It was written by a paranoid schizophrenic stuck in jail. What were you expecting? James Joyce? :D

Invader Zim
31st July 2003, 19:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 02:32 AM
I saw it at a barnes and nobles book store near me. It was one of the thickest books I've seen and it was a whopping $35 even though it was paperback. I was actually considering reading it, but luckily for me I was wise enough to sample it. Once i read ten random pages I felt as if I already read the book. It was just mindless rants littering the pages all over the place. It's not worth anyone's time under any circumstances.
Like I said boring as helll, I was amazed that my mind could stand as much of the driveal as it did before nervous collapse...

Knowledge 6 6 6
4th August 2003, 12:46
I think it'd be interesting just to hear his point of view...

In the words of one of my close friends,
"There's no opinion that cannot further your knowledge"..

Dont take this the wrong way...lol, I'm a person of colour, and am totally against everything he did during the Nazi Regime. All I'm trying to say is, we shouldn't cast the book away because of morality or something...

And, I dunno if anyone ever heard the notion of Hitler being an 'evil genious'. I think he had the power to change the world either for the good or the bad...but chose the bad.

Just think about that.
;)

Zecke
4th August 2003, 15:17
in germany you can´t buy it legal
but in many liberys they have it... but you are not allowed to borrow it!

bluerev002
4th August 2003, 21:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:32 PM
[You can read it online, do a search for it.

Not that any sane person would want to... [/quote]
I would. It would be better to read it and know what your after then just go around saying "Die Nazi scum!"

Atleast you will be able to argue against Nazis better than any other person who all they can say is..."Nazis are bad because tehy killed the jews" <_<

canikickit
4th August 2003, 23:30
..."Nazis are bad because tehy killed the jews"

Isn&#39;t that enough? Nevertheless, I see your point.


And, I dunno if anyone ever heard the notion of Hitler being an &#39;evil genious&#39;. I think he had the power to change the world either for the good or the bad...but chose the bad.

Sure, he was a genius. All these crappy films have people trying to take over the world...Hitler damn near did it&#33; you gotta love the guy&#33;
Nah, he&#39;s an asshole.

suffianr
6th August 2003, 11:54
Knowledge 6 6 6, you are not a person of colour. That was a phrase invented by Imperialists to describe something that they thought was inferior to them, given the fact that their skin goes lobster-red everytime they hit the beach.

Tasha
6th August 2003, 14:55
Guys it is always good to expand your knowledge and this is a very good book. Whether you like it or not hitler was very intelligent. Sure you dont agree with what he does but that does not mean you cannot learn alot from this book. I strongly suggest reading this it is a good book.

Danton
6th August 2003, 15:47
Genious my arse, he was a sick, sick fuck. I don&#39;t doubt his persuasive orratory skills, his sheer rabid vehemence but the guy was off his trolley in the maximum sense...mmm genocide, what a genious conception.

Expand your knowledge? It&#39;s more likley to corrupt your impressionable mind.
No I haven&#39;t read that filth I&#39;d rather read something worthwhile, we all know what we need to know about that evil pigfucker.

What is that person of colour shit? Black is black is black is black....

"Hitler has only got one ball, the other is in the Albert hall etc..."
Alltogether now...

Tasha
6th August 2003, 17:11
Danton you seem to think hitler is born an insane man. The case is what he believed and saw throughout his life made him what he was. He read many books and this also helped to shape him, how can not learning his process of doing so not help understand? Remember I have read this book you have not. The book is filled with good advice and knowledge. As with any book you pick out what you want to follow and what you want to disregard i believe hitler says something to this effect in the book.

Danton
6th August 2003, 17:23
No-one is born insane of course.

It&#39;s like opening Pandora&#39;s box, peeking through the curtains, morbidly slowing down as you pass a car accident. There are so many positive great thinker&#39;s and their works would take you more than a lifetime to read so why bother with his demented vision.

So what if he had some bright ideas bogged down in his swamplike mind, I wouldn&#39;t wipe my arse with it...

Edit: If your such an admirer give us some quotes, drop the wisdom on us..

Tasha
6th August 2003, 21:50
Yea well how many people that wrote a book have actually changed an entire century and become one of the most powerful men in time? He wrote a book about all of this and you dont think its worth it to read?

By the way I really do not like that if i do not put hitler down in a post you assume im an admirer? If you meant an admirer of the book then please disregard this. I have got this alot before though.

If you do not want to read it that is fine do not argue. I am simply suggesting to everyone on this board my personal opinion that it is an extremely good read probably in my top 3 of books. I do not know one person in life that has read this book and not regarded it as one of the best books they have read.

Blibblob
7th August 2003, 00:34
Reading this made me open the old pdf file I had downloaded earlier. Danton, you wanted a quote, a quote that the Nazi translator put at the front stood right out.

"The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged. Man&#39;s effort to build up something that contradicts the iron logic of Nature brings him into conflict with those principles to which he himself exclusively owes his own existance. By acting against the laws of Nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin."-Mein Kampf, pg. 162

We all know what he means, but, the last sentence by itself can stand alone. One that makes sense, and that all should look at and follow. Unfortunately this all comes from a bigoted man, albeit rather a genious as some has said, so it only looks good out of context. I believe that there will be other parts in this book like this one, some that actually look good. And to see those, and looking at the mind of a sociopath, would be quite educational.

Danton
7th August 2003, 11:59
Sorry I must be as thick as shit but I fail to find any wisdom or even originality in that little chesnut....."By acting against the laws of nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin"..Cheers for that little esoteric gem Adolf, I didn&#39;t realize that before.... sounds like quasi religious ranting to me..."A sin against the will of the eternal creator, as a sin this act will be avenged".

Give me a fucking break.....

Oh he&#39;s so intelligent a genious&#33; That sounds like admiration to me, that book will lead you down a dark path..... Understanding him is one thing, sympathising is another......

one sick kid
7th August 2003, 13:49
know your enemy. that is why you read Mein Kampf. to find out why, and more importantly how, a single man got away with the murder of over 6 million people, (1 1/2 million of which were children) and how he still has followers today. that is why i read/watch everything i can on that time era. you do this to make sure nothing of holocaust-propotions can ever happen again. what hitler did was not a small feat, and to convince germany that an entire race of people were the equivalent of rats, he is certainly not stupid. if you do not do everything you can to make sure this sort of thing does not happen again, you&#39;re just another jew-sympathiser.

you can read Mein Kampf here (http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/)

Hayduke
7th August 2003, 14:38
You dont learn a thing from reading Mein Kampf.

Mein Kampf is only the result of the anger from Hitler. Is badly written and you arent learning
anything new about Hitler.

But if you want to read it go ahead. Hitler is only constantly writing about how bad jews, communist&#39;s are. But if you look very clear you will never find the exact reason of this hating.

The basic of the book is anger and therefore it clealry holds no message and is more of a personal reflection of Hitler.

Dont waste your time on this book and if you want to learn about your enemy , check out *************** or you local extreme right party. If you really want to learn to your enemy , sign up at the stormfront forum. Its a good way to learn to debate with these people.

Bas

schumi
8th August 2003, 15:33
*************** sucks man&#33; you can&#39;t even talk to those fithy nazi&#39;s withoud hearing them praise their "Fürher" over and over again :angry:

bluerev002
8th August 2003, 20:05
Danton your like a little kid&#33;

We go "read this book it might help you learn"
And you respond with:

"Nope nope it was written by Hitler. its a bad book"

You dont know what the book is even about&#33; You have no idea of what is even in it&#33; You are closed minded if you dont give a book a chance just because of what you THINK is in it.

And we are not little kids to have this book corrupt our impressionable minds.

The man was a genious, I mean he conquered almost all of Europe&#33;

He was sick I know. It would take someone seriosly sick to kill Jews, gypsies, ect.

Even so, it doesnt mean that just because we read the book we are going to go out and do the things he did.

Danton, open up your mind a bit...what are you so afraid of?

<_<

suffianr
9th August 2003, 07:49
I&#39;ve read a fair bit about that schizoid little corporal, and by genius, I would say not intelligence, by any scientific standards (like working out complex algorithms during lunch break) but genius as in being able to rightfully perceive, cajole and manipulate the feelings of a nation torn asunder by the unjust sanctions imposed by the criminal League of Nations, being able to use the weight of public opinion and mass culture to engineer dramatic a dramatic voter swing that left little apparent opposition to his regime, and finally being able to take enormous and potentially self-destructive risks in playing out that back-stabbing political boardgame commonly referred to as the Phoney War.

That, to a certain degree, merits a shade of genius. But beyond that, Hitler was a dirty little fucker who should burn in the eternal fires of whatever for all his sins. :ph34r:

Danton
11th August 2003, 10:32
bluerev.....

Fuck off "I don&#39;t know what it&#39;s about" you tosspot&#33;
It&#39;s hot and I&#39;m not in the mood you little fuckwit&#33;

Sorry but edit;my hand slipped then.

Sorry but I would rather read the communist manifesto a hundred times than Hitler&#39;s wrongheaded scrolls, does that make me a little kiddie? Well I don&#39;t give a rats cock what a muppet like you thinks.....I&#39;m still waiting for someone to post just one or two lines that have the remotest "genious" in them, can you oblige bluerev?

"what am I so afraid of?" Dangerous fools like you....Hitler&#39;s real power was in persuasion, your already praising his "genious" what&#39;s next?

bluerev002
12th August 2003, 19:18
HA HA HA&#33; Danton you dont sease to amuse me. Your still wating for someone to post one or two lines that have the remote genious in them? We sure as hell arent seeing them from you here in this thread are we?

And as for the fact that you would rather read the Manifesto than Mein Kampf just cuz it agree with your views makes you very closed minded indeed. Now you have no right to tell off any cappie that would rather read whatever they read over the Manifesto.

And your afraid of fools like me? Persuation? What?&#33; Then a fool you must be for blinding yourself from things that mightpersuade or corrupt your mind inot becoming like them. If I know what I belive in and I know who I am and what I will do then I have no reason to fear Hitlers persuation.

And it will be you the fool when your faced with Nazi shit and all you can say is "kill the Nazis their bad&#33;"
It strikes me as a great resemblence to a stupid capitalist saying "kill the commies their bad". A cappie that has little understanding of communims other than what he has seen on television or read in books would say that. Just as you can only say "kill the Nazis their bad" and the only understaing of them is what you have read or seen on the tele.

Know your enemy, a very good statement. Better yet, know your enemies roots.

Vinny Rafarino
12th August 2003, 23:05
If you are clinically insane, you are born that way. manifestations of that insanity can be attributed to environmental phenomenon.

Hitler was born "insane" yes. What exactly were his conditions we can only speculate. I would imagine him suffering from severe sociopathology coupled with an amygdalic disorder of some kind. He definitely was not schizophrenic.

I any case, regardless of his views on the "ubermensch" the man was responsible for the genogidal murders of millions of innocent civilians and millions of military personnel as well.

That is all that matters, that and that alone.

elijahcraig
13th August 2003, 02:25
Grendel don&#39;t get no fucking sympathy from me&#33; :lol:

Danton
13th August 2003, 11:26
I haven&#39;t got much time for this......

Bluerev I dont pretend to have a shred of genious, far from it...I&#39;m a simpleton and I&#39;m glad I amuse you with my crude unimformed views...

But...

I&#39;m still waiting for that genious of Hitler&#39;s your going to astound me with....

Your right, all I know about the Nazi&#39;s is what I&#39;ve seen on tv and read in books - oh and the fact that both my grandfathers fought against them. Unless it&#39;s some huge conspiracy that I&#39;m missing - yes you could say they were bad. Hilter was no genious, he was in fact a fucking retard driven by the most simple of human emotions - hatred. So when you curl up in front of the fire with your cup of coco and dip into his spiteful writings and marvel at his wondorous ideas, salivating all over the pages - take some time to remember the victims of his "genious" and know where those sick ideas first took root....Know your enemy, dont blow your enemy....

bluerev002
14th August 2003, 01:12
Ive said what I had to say Danton.

Severian
14th August 2003, 18:17
I&#39;ve read it, and It&#39;s mostly an ideological rant, with a bit of autobiography up to the point when it was written, in the early 1920s. Nobody is going to learn anything from it in the sense of "Hitler had some good ideas" or any such nonsense. There&#39;s nothing in terms of rational thought, certainly no facts. As for Hitler&#39;s supposed genius, he was successful in taking power primarily because he was playing to win and his opponents were playing to lose, not so much because of any brilliant strategy.

Anyone who says "hey, there are some good ideas in Mein Kampf" is probably a crypto-Nazi or a troll who should be ignored.

On the other hand, reading Mein Kampf is of some use in understanding, and being able to recognize, fascist ideology. For example, there are a number of similarities between Mein Kampf and Patrick Buchanan&#39;s autobiography, "Right from the Beginning". It&#39;s of some use in understanding how to fight against fascism, also: the stuff where Hitler emphasizes that he&#39;s been successful because of the social-democrats&#39; gutlessness, their unwillingness to fight even in self-defense. There&#39;s a bit about a few stormtroopers being sent to break up a much larger social-democratic meeting and all the social-democrats meekly filing out without a fight....

You also get a feel for the role of irrational elements in fascist ideology; what Wilhelm Reich called the "Mass Psychology of Fascism." Playing on people&#39;s sexual neuroses and fears, with all the stuff claiming Jews spread syphilis and so forth.

But it&#39;s not what I&#39;d call essential, or the first thing anyone should read on the subject of fascism and how to fight it. I&#39;d recommend first "Fascism: What it is and How to Fight It" (a short booklet) and "The Struggle Against Fascism in Germany" (a longer book, covering the events of Hitler&#39;s rise to power) by Leon Trotsky and "Fascism and Big Business" by Daniel Guerin.

suffianr
17th August 2003, 18:42
As for Hitler&#39;s supposed genius, he was successful in taking power primarily because he was playing to win and his opponents were playing to lose, not so much because of any brilliant strategy.

His opponents were playing to lose? That&#39;s a new one, please elaborate.

By the way, Severia is the character from Gene Wolfe&#39;s Book of the New Sun, right? :ph34r:

Severian
18th August 2003, 05:16
Yup, you caught the reference. It&#39;s a great series of books.

I don&#39;t mean consciously seeking to lose, exactly, but look at their actions:

The Communist Party says "After Hitler, us" and refuses to work with the social democrats to oppose Hitler. Their main response to Hitler&#39;s seizure of power is to call a general strike....a purely symbolic action given their lack of influence in the trade unions and among employed workers.

It goes downhill from there.

The Social-democrats refuse to work with the CP, or support a general strike or any other serious action against Hitler. They call for a vote for Hindenburg as a lesser evil than Hitler.

Hindenburg is elected and appoints Hitler as chancellor.

Most capitalist parties vote to confirm Hitler&#39;s appointment as chancellor. This doesn&#39;t save them from being banned, of course.

So Hitler&#39;s rise to power is made possible by a lack of determined opposition, or in many cases actual assistance from other parties. You don&#39;t have to be a brilliant strategist to beat opponents like that.

Invader Zim
18th August 2003, 15:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 01:12 AM
Ive said what I had to say Danton.
As an impartial observer to this flame fest... you&#39;ve said jack shit.

I agree with Danton and D-Day, the book&#39;s full of shit. Its so boring, Im sure I have said this before.

"his mother the dirty bugger,"

bluerev002
18th August 2003, 22:36
Atleast you have a bit of right to say what you say cuz you didnt dismis it right away.

I never said the books wasnt boring, I never said it was full of good advice that we should follow.

Its a fucking book that shows the way that these bastards thing "straight from the horses mouth"

Its full of shit that you can easiliy recognize as shit and you could use this shit against any Nazi bastard taht comes your way. Instead of just stating statistics of people dead.

LIke I said, its a way learning about them and using their own shit against them.

Invader Zim
19th August 2003, 00:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 10:36 PM
Atleast you have a bit of right to say what you say cuz you didnt dismis it right away.

I never said the books wasnt boring, I never said it was full of good advice that we should follow.

Its a fucking book that shows the way that these bastards thing "straight from the horses mouth"

Its full of shit that you can easiliy recognize as shit and you could use this shit against any Nazi bastard taht comes your way. Instead of just stating statistics of people dead.

LIke I said, its a way learning about them and using their own shit against them.
From my brief experiance of the book its just full of anti state/jew/november criminals/communists, etc, rantage, I could learn more about Nazi&#39;s from reading the difinitive works of Star Trek.

bluerev002
19th August 2003, 04:22
But thats what Nazis are... Anti state/jew/november criminals/communist.

highway star
19th August 2003, 14:23
i think hitler said in that book what he wanna do and he did.And Big Pig Churcill says:if we read mein kampf we could prevent world war 2

Sasafrás
20th August 2003, 06:55
Anyway, I began reading Mein Kampf when I was in the psych ward and I thought it was a mess. I did not even get near finishing it, probably only to page 30 or so, but all I read was a fucking rant about how Hitler didn&#39;t want to be a civil servant. Waste of time, but you can read it if you want to. Everything he says in it is stuff you already knew about him.

One,

Shayla

Fever
20th August 2003, 07:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 07:39 PM
You could learn everything about Hitler by watching Cable Television. I swear to god, on Discovery Health they have about Hitler having one nut, on History they have him pissing on his neice, and on Animal Planet he sodomizes sheep.

You are certainly right about that. I think i may have watched the hitler marathon yesterday. It was like 10 hours long. From the whole ordeal i basically learned one thing: that he enjoyed peeing on his girlfriends head. Honest to god.

Comrade Ceausescu
20th August 2003, 08:00
i personally find it disgusting how some of you sick fucks sympathize with hitler and nazism.isnt knowing six million people who werent 100% germen blue eyed white blonde enough???i sympathize way more with capitalists then nazi&#39;s(i dont have any sympathy for them what so ever),and believe me i hate capitalism.

bluerev002
21st August 2003, 00:08
Nope, need to learn more bout the guy and why he did what he did than just have one fact bout him in a debate <_<

bluerev002
21st August 2003, 03:41
If you go up to a Capie and say "Your nation is responsible for millions of deaths"
Do you think that will be enough to defeat him in a debate?

Fever
21st August 2003, 05:00
Peeing on your girlfriend isnt enough? But really, you dont need to know that much about Nazism to know that its wrong.

Comrade Ceausescu
21st August 2003, 05:01
one face?i&#39;d say six million killed is more then one face.its six million.stop sympathizing with a monster.

sledovatel
21st August 2003, 05:09
actually i think that the murder rate of the nazi regime was quite higher than just 6 million jews. it is more up around 21 million people. pretty scary number, huh? a lot of innocent deaths. of course it&#39;s not as much as the soviet murders (about 62 million), but it&#39;s still a shameful number.

-s

Danton
21st August 2003, 12:41
Who gives a fuck about winning debates with these arseholes, what? You think your going to convert them with your Mein Kampf facts? Fuck all that noise Jack, I don&#39;t debate with Nazis&#39;s.....Given the chance I prefer to hurt them.... violently..and permanently...

Fever
21st August 2003, 16:01
Plus, its fairly different, capitalism isnt quite as directly responcible for killing millions (they&#39;re sly little fuckers.) But the Nazis were pretty direct in there methods.

bluerev002
23rd August 2003, 05:14
Id fuck em up too, but if it were a debate and I couldnt...then Id just ramble on what I know

Invader Zim
23rd August 2003, 05:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 06:14 AM
Id fuck em up too, but if it were a debate and I couldnt...then Id just ramble on what I know
Its impossible to debate with a fascist, ive tried, they just bullshit, and call you "nigga lover" and tell me how i am a disgrace to the white race, etc. They then ban you from there pathetic forums.

bluerev002
23rd August 2003, 05:35
Ive always wondered why their liike that, I mean, where do you get the idea that one race would be better than another? Maybe their parents brought them up like that

Indysocialist
23rd August 2003, 09:54
I think its a matter of being pretty much a failure in life. Most of those people are mainly uneducated, work at McDonalds, and rather then try to educate oneself they take the easy way out, "Oh, it must be the Jews fault&#33;" or "Hey, mah daddy was in the KKK and this is the next step for us. Sieg Heil&#33;" Fuck &#39;em, I can&#39;t stand Nazis. I went to that http stormfront place and the fact that they&#39;d install that kind of hate into kids that&#39;re like 13 who&#39;re having a hard enough time as it is with pubes. Good God.

Severian
26th August 2003, 15:48
If you try to use rational argument on a Nazi, they&#39;ll just think you&#39;re effete.

If you&#39;ve knocked &#39;em over the head a few times, then they might listen to ya.

Xvall
26th August 2003, 16:53
Yeah. If Mien Kamph were posted on a message board, everyone would consider it a flame. Crazy ol&#39; Hitler. Anyways, it&#39;s not all that interesting. You can find it online, I believe.

canikickit
28th August 2003, 23:21
Mein Kampf&#39;s (http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/MeinKampf/history.html) availability.

An interesting piece of writing about releasing Mein Kampf.

Borincano
4th September 2003, 05:41
Why was Hitler a German nationalist when he was born and raised in Austria? :huh: I know that&#39;s a German-speaking nation which is geographically and culturally similar to Germany, but it&#39;s still a different nation and a people who consider themselves Austrian.

Also, actually 10 million were murdered in the concentration camps. 6 million of them were Jews, (Which everyone keeps mentioning) which was the majority, but were the other 4 million unworthy to mention? :angry: They consisted of Gypsies, homosexuals, Serbians, the disabled, communists, and socialists. Also, more than 50 million died in Europe during WW2. :( If there&#39;s a hell, Hitler is obviously burning in it. :D

Hatchet
4th September 2003, 08:04
Hey,
This may have already been settled, but it&#39;s Mein Kampf, i know because i speak german. Second, the entire idea that Hitler was an evil genius is TOTALLY wrong. He, and he alone lost the war for Germany. He constantly intefered in military affairs that he had no idea about, such as making the germans push for the oil feilds of the caucasus when they could have taken moscow, or not letting paulus break out of Stalingrad. He was seriously mentally ill and had a serious messianic complex among other things. Without Hitler WW2 would have ended much earlier, either with german or allied victory and spared millions of people on both sides the suffering that they endured under Hitler.

Hatchet

FistFullOfSteel
4th September 2003, 12:57
hitler sucks&#33;

canikickit
5th September 2003, 13:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 06:41 AM
Why was Hitler a German nationalist when he was born and raised in Austria?
Because he was a prick. :lol:
nah, because he considered himself German. The austrian people are Germanic, and Austria used to be officially German territory.
The point is, him (and many others) wouldn&#39;t have considered Austria a different nation.


actually 10 million were murdered in the concentration camps. 6 million of them were Jews, (Which everyone keeps mentioning) which was the majority, but were the other 4 million unworthy to mention?

Yeah, it&#39;s just one of these hyped up thing I guess.

FistFullOfSteel
7th September 2003, 09:45
how many pages does mein kampf have?

RAGING BULL
7th September 2003, 19:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 12:57 PM
hitler sucks&#33;
Thanks for the information.

BuyOurEverything
8th September 2003, 05:55
OK, Mein Kampf sucks. I started reading it because I figured it would at least be interesting to see why Hitler thought the way he did or to get another perspective or something or at very least, it was written by one of the most influencial people of the 20th century but it was possibly the worst book I&#39;ve ever read. It was so horribly boring and managed to go on for pages and pages without actually saying anything. Like alot of people have already said, it was just a rant. For those of you who are thinking about reading it, I&#39;ll save you the weeks of agony and sum it up: German nationalism = good. Jews, Communists, Gypsies = bad.

Invader Zim
8th September 2003, 19:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 06:55 AM
OK, Mein Kampf sucks. I started reading it because I figured it would at least be interesting to see why Hitler thought the way he did or to get another perspective or something or at very least, it was written by one of the most influencial people of the 20th century but it was possibly the worst book I&#39;ve ever read. It was so horribly boring and managed to go on for pages and pages without actually saying anything. Like alot of people have already said, it was just a rant. For those of you who are thinking about reading it, I&#39;ll save you the weeks of agony and sum it up: German nationalism = good. Jews, Communists, Gypsies = bad.
It was so horribly boring and managed to go on for pages and pages without actually saying anything.

The words "I told you so" spring to mind... I gave up part way through, because I just could not handle the bordom, and just general ranting bullshit.

commie kg
8th September 2003, 19:28
I wouldn&#39;t bother reading that trash... It really has no political basis, just insane racist ranting.

But, if you really feel the need to "understand the mind of a madman," go ahead.