Resolution on Iseali war crimes

[RGacky3]

http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/0/dqRN3SndBAw

US blocks report on Isreali war crimes, watch this pathetic excuse.

This session shows without a doubt just how little really the United States cares about peace in the middle east, or human rights.

He says a resoultion about war crimes is loosing focus on a lasting peace!!?? So they vote against it.

[graffic]

The Israeli and US denial of the use of white phosphorous is a sick joke. According to the media Israel have "admitted using it", "rejected the accusation", America has "declared it is illegal" but "denied Israel used it", then "accepted it" then "denied it".

Just listen to the human rights organisations that were there and took the fucking pictures!!!!!!

http://english.aljazeera.net//news/m...830886898.html

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/vtm20002000/whitephosgaza80.jpg

[danyboy27]

another damn political circus, the us is again protecting barbaric acts to serve its own interrest.

hell, i seen a post on a forum, the guy was a freaking marines and admitted that the israeli operation in the gaza strip was a freaking massacer:

I recently retired from the US Marine Corps, but I saw service in Iraq. I do know something of military matters that are relevant to the situation now in Gaza.

I am dismayed by the rhetoric from US politicians and pundits to the effect that “if the US were under rocket attack from Mexico or Canada, we would respond like the Israelis”. This a gross insult to US servicemen; I can assure you that we would NOT respond like the Israelis. In fact, US armed forces and adjunct civilians are under attack constantly in Iraq and Afghanistan by people who are much better armed, much better trained and far deadlier than Hamas (I’ll ignore for now that the politicians seem to be oblivious to this fact). Israel has indeed taken a small number of casualties from Hamas rocket fire (about 20 killed since 2001), but we have taken thousands of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, including many civilian personnel. Hundreds of American casualties have occurred due to indirect fire, often from mortars. This is particularly true in or near the Green Zone in Baghdad. This fire often originates from densely populated urban areas.

Americans do not, I repeat DO NOT, respond to that fire indiscriminately. When I say “indiscriminately”, I mean that even if we can precisely identify the source of the fire (which can be very difficult), we do not respond if we know we will cause civilian casualties. We always evaluate the threat to civilians before responding, and in an urban area the threat to civilians is extremely high. If US servicemen violate those rules of engagement and harm civilians, I assure you we do our best to investigate -- and mete out punishment if warranted. There are differing opinions on the conflict in Iraq, but I am proud of the conduct of our servicemen there.

With that in mind, I find the conduct of the Israeli army in Gaza to be brutal and dishonorable, and it is insulting that they and others claim that the US military would behave in the same way. I know the Israelis are operating under difficult circumstances, but their claim that they follow similar rules of engagement rings hollow; I see little evidence for this claim given the huge number of civilian casualties they have caused from indirect fire.

In particular, I am stunned at the Israeli explanation for the 30+ civilians killed at the UN school. The Israelis say they were responding to mortar fire from the school. Mortars are insidious because their high trajectory and lack of primary flash make it very difficult to trace the source of the fire; you have to have a spotter locate the crew. The Israelis claim that they traced the source of the fire precisely to the school; if so, they must have directly spotted the crew. Thus it is inconceivable that the Israelis did not know that the target was a crowded UN school, yet they chose to fire on the school anyhow. I say without hesitation that this is a criminal act. If the Israelis had said, “sorry, it was an accident”, that could indicate a targeting problem, confusion, or inferior training. But to openly admit that they responded reflexively to the Hamas fire without consideration for the inevitable civilian casualties is beyond the pale. The Israelis blame Hamas for firing from the school (although UN personnel on the ground dispute this), but choosing to fire directly at civilians is far worse; it is tantamount to murder. US servicemen do not behave that way in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we face much deadlier adversaries (Hamas mortar crews are apparently not very effective: I believe that all but one of the total Israeli combat fatalities have been from friendly fire). In the rare and unfortunate cases where US personnel have willingly targeted civilians, they have been court-martialed and punished.

The Israeli approach in Gaza strikes me as uncontrolled and vengeful. My objective analysis is that it has little tactical effectiveness; my opinion is that its main goal is to whip the entire Gaza population into submission. This is disturbingly similar to the IsraelisÂ’ conduct in Lebanon in 2006, so I feel obliged to say that the Israeli military displays a concerted pattern of disregard for civilian lives. I am not a politician, but in my opinion the US should take some sort of political action in this regard. If we continue to formally condone IsraelÂ’s dishonorable and brutal military conduct in Gaza, I fear there will eventually be dire consequences for our country.

[Red Icepick]

This is true. The US military has a strict ROE and generally performs with discipline, not to say they've had a spotless record lately or anything. The IDF makes the US military look like a Red Cross charity. The things they do on a daily basis would have US troops in the brig and plastered all over the news. I don't understand the media black out on Israeli war crimes. This is a military that kidnaps innocent people and uses them as human shields for routine operations. That's their actual textbook standard operating procedure. They also routinely blow holes into walls of peoples homes so they don't have to use the door(because snipers can predict someone exiting from a door). The US military also makes it a point to use as little air power as possible(at least for the last few years), where the IDF obviously goes overkill with it.

[graffic]

I think the Gaza war was grotesque but with regard to comments above about the IDF it's important to remember that there is a lot of anti-semitic material all over the web demonizing israeli soldiers as inhuman and barbaric. Of course it's important to criticise Israel without being racist but there are a lot of anti-semites in America who love wars like Gaza because they can paint the Jews as pure evil.

For example "The IDF makes the US military look like a Red Cross charity" is crossing some sort of a line in my book

[danyboy27]

I think the Gaza war was grotesque but with regard to comments above about the IDF it's important to remember that there is a lot of anti-semitic material all over the web demonizing israeli soldiers as inhuman and barbaric. Of course it's important to criticise Israel without being racist but there are a lot of anti-semites in America who love wars like Gaza because they can paint the Jews as pure evil.

For example "The IDF makes the US military look like a Red Cross charity" is crossing some sort of a line in my book

well, when you got Israeli soldier telling stories like using civilian has human shield to do house to house cleaning, indiscriminate shooting at everything that moving in your line of sight how shall we call the israeli army then?

back in the day they killed a quadraplegic extremist with a goddamn apache helicopter, a quadraplegic man, they could have captured the guy alive without any problem.

they used cluster bomb, a weapon that is supposed to be used against whole tank division in a freaking city!

this is fucked up man, dumb stuff at a level so high, its almost ridiculous.

[progressive_lefty]

People need to become more familiar with the 'Dahiya doctrine', look it up on wikipedia. It's basically another animalistic policy of the IDF for justifying attacks on women and children.

'What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on. We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases. This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.There would be no mercy shown when it comes to hitting the national infrastructure of a state that, in practice, is controlled by Hizbullah... In practical terms, the Palestinians in Gaza are all Khaled Mashaal, the Lebanese are all Nasrallah, and the Iranians are all Ahmadinejad.' Gadi Eisenkot

[Scary Monster]

People need to become more familiar with the 'Dahiya doctrine', look it up on wikipedia. It's basically another animalistic policy of the IDF for justifying attacks on women and children.

'What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on. We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases. This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.There would be no mercy shown when it comes to hitting the national infrastructure of a state that, in practice, is controlled by Hizbullah... In practical terms, the Palestinians in Gaza are all Khaled Mashaal, the Lebanese are all Nasrallah, and the Iranians are all Ahmadinejad.' Gadi Eisenkot

These israeli zionists are the most blatantly psychotic, mass-murdering fucks, yet they still get sympathy over here in america largely because the media gives absolutely no coverage of their atrocities at all, and in our entertainment, like video games and movies, the whole thing with the Holocaust and nazis are constantly being recycled. so the public here never thinks of them as the bullies.