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phishfacemountian

16th October 2009, 18:47

Pirate Utopian

17th October 2009, 01:15

Depends on what music you're talking about.

phishfacemountian

17th October 2009, 16:28

Depends on what music you're talking about.

well, what is called classic rock and metal....I also live in a conservitive part of the US but, I grew up in los angles and there was that whole vibe there....what type of "mainstream" guitar music is free from mindlessness....too bad a didn't pick a different instrument to be my main one but, guitar has a lot of perks....

#FF0000

17th October 2009, 17:10

Because a lot of people who get into music are total fucking idiots.

rednordman

17th October 2009, 21:18

^Sorry but that response deserves a thanks. All in one line and nothing complicated, yet told the honest truth. Word.

rednordman

17th October 2009, 21:21

I think the real question that we should be asking is that of why has strong gituar riffs become synomnous with chauvenistic masculinity? It didnt actually have to be this way.

bcbm

17th October 2009, 21:29

I think the real question that we should be asking is that of why has strong gituar riffs become synomnous with chauvenistic masculinity? It didnt actually have to be this way.

because it looks like they're stroking a giant phallus, perhaps?

rednordman

17th October 2009, 22:01

because it looks like they're stroking a giant phallus, perhaps?:rolleyes:Of course there is that, but the guitar was not produced just for that reason was it? Anyhow the OP has a point. I have even heard that Frank Zapper was a staunch anti-communist.

#FF0000

17th October 2009, 22:57

:rolleyes:Of course there is that, but the guitar was not produced just for that reason was it? Anyhow the OP has a point. I have even heard that Frank Zapper was a staunch anti-communist.

It's Zappa you silly guy, you.

But being anti-communist really isn't what the OP is talking about. Someone can be anti-communist and not be stooge. Compare Zappa to, say, Ted Nugent, for example.

Pirate Utopian

17th October 2009, 23:18

rednordman

18th October 2009, 00:16

Great musician but Zappa did consider himself a conservative.
Look up Frank Zappa on Crossfire on youtube. He protest censorship of music.

At one point somebody says "I thought you were a conservative."
To which Zappa says "Yeah but a real conservative."Dam! I dont care how good he was, what a lame ass. How the hell can you be a 'real conservative' for hecks sake!? Did he not see that at the time it was the 'real conservatives' who fought very hard for censorship of music? stupid man.

What was it all for in the end anyhow? so some hip hop artist could swear every second word, or so some person could produce speedcore with samples from porno-music in it?

Pirate Utopian

18th October 2009, 00:22

What was it all for in the end anyhow? so some hip hop artist could swear every second word, or so some person could produce speedcore with samples from porno-music in it?
So that musicians who's lyrics deviated from accepted Christian values would not be censored.

You know the right to free speech and such.

rednordman

18th October 2009, 00:23

It's Zappa you silly guy, you.

But being anti-communist really isn't what the OP is talking about. Someone can be anti-communist and not be stooge. Compare Zappa to, say, Ted Nugent, for example.It kind of is though. Unfortuanetly, alot of these so called artists are infact hardcore christian conservatives, and thus totally oppose anything leftwing as being of the 'whiny unpopular, unloved and for the geeky population'. This may well be rubbish. And I hope it is. But thats the impression I get at times.

rednordman

18th October 2009, 00:45

So that musicians who's lyrics deviated from accepted Christian values would not be censored.

You know the right to free speech and such.I do understand what you are saying there, but in a capitalist economy, any values obviously go out the window early on, so I donot see how these morons can stick to just one set of values, as they know that world wide not everyone cares about religion. Could you imagine if they actually did think that we all care about religion?:lol:....oh!sorry, mabey they do in the USA. Whoopse! (drunk post sorry)

Crux

18th October 2009, 04:14

Crux

18th October 2009, 04:18

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/davidcorn/Bush-guitar.jpg
This guitarist however...

Jimmie Higgins

18th October 2009, 06:36

I grew up listening to Hendrix and thought that art and music should be about connecting people to each other and giving them insight into what it means to be human...

however, so many guitarist tend to be "macho" christian conservatives..

any one have a guess as too why?And if they are not conservative they are moralistic liberals... or maybe that's just lead-singers (Bono). In other words, most people in US society see politics in terms of Republican's and Democrats so many artists and entertainers will also tend to hold similar views.

The exceptions generally come when there is the political space to be an exception to pro status-quo thinking. If people like John Lennon or Bob Dylan or MC5 or whoever openly expressed radical ideas, it was simply because in general there were many people who were openly questioning the establishment and not trusting what the status-quo said about politics, sex, drugs, and what makes good music. Woody Guthrie would not have had the ability to do what he did if there wasn't a anti-fascist movement, a union movement, movements for migrant workers in California and so on. Without these things, he probably would have sang traditional songs like most people, instead he took traditional music and slapped a political message on top. If there wasn't mass anger and a generation of youth without faith in the political establishment in the UK, it's doubtful there would have been people interested in punk music. If there wasn't the anti-apartheid movement and mass black anger in the late 80s due to police crackdowns and the loss of jobs and social services in poor city neighborhoods, then hip-hop probably would not have become more explicitly political like it did at that time.

Without that space for radical and anti-establishment ideas, people tend to be drawn into cynicism, or some kind of political view that is more safe and acceptable to the establishment. Why would anyone risk a great job making entertainment for a living if they go out and take a political stand and there's no audience for that stance?

Reason #2317 for revolution: radical times produce much more interesting art and entertainment! If you wanna hear better music tomorrow build a radical political opposition today!

Jimmie Higgins

18th October 2009, 06:40

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6133/bushguitar1zo2.jpg
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He did a heckufa job in ol' Louisiana countiee"

Dimentio

18th October 2009, 10:58

I think it is because rock'n'roll is so strongly associated with a period in US history when the USA was the undisputed leader of the western world - the 1950's and early 1960's. Therefore, rock'n'roll has moved from being a progressive youth movement into something generally conservative. There is a sub-community in European countries who subscribe to the particular US brand of conservatism, listen to Rock'n'roll and wear t-shirts with W on (and US conservatism is actually a lot more progressive than real European conservatism, which has basically been dead since 1945).

The European brand of conservatives are listening to neofolk bands like Von Thronstahl, Death in June and Ordo Rosarius Equilibro.

18th October 2009, 12:05

And if they are not conservative they are moralistic liberals... or maybe that's just lead-singers (Bono).

Who with any taste likes anything other than blood sunday, hmph.

Anyhow, Blair and Clinton played together, yep Blair is a guitarist.. er.. yeah...cool.... S: but yeah the whole thing is true with most musicians unfortunately, not just guitarists.

Also
Death in June

It does strike me how many people think they aren't fascists, just thought I'd add that in there.

Dimentio

18th October 2009, 20:00

Well, US conservatives would never listen to Death in June. European traditionalism is introverted and aristocratic, while US conservatism is extroverted and aesthetically anti-intellectualist.

The Ben G

24th October 2009, 03:31

well, what is called classic rock and metal....I also live in a conservitive part of the US but, I grew up in los angles and there was that whole vibe there....what type of "mainstream" guitar music is free from mindlessness....too bad a didn't pick a different instrument to be my main one but, guitar has a lot of perks....

Only most mainstream metal and Black metal is Right wing. Napalm death for example are total anarchists. Lemmy from Motorhead is an anarchist. Dave mustaine is a liberal. Ministry is a leftist band. the list goes ever on.

Andrei Kuznetsov

24th October 2009, 04:37

Hey, I like Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio. :(

Skin_HeadBanger

24th October 2009, 07:33

wow, now I remember why I haven't been on here in a while.

most of you guys are idiots.

bcbm

24th October 2009, 10:14

Lemmy from Motorhead is an anarchist. i think he's more of a libertarian than an anarchist.

Honggweilo

24th October 2009, 14:03

because everybody playes guitar, it makes you look like a trendwhore

play brass *****ez!

Andrei Kuznetsov

24th October 2009, 15:50

Jerry Only of The Misfits is a Republican. WTF?!

Random Precision

24th October 2009, 16:06

MAVA

24th October 2009, 19:08

Fun fact; Hendrix was an American patriot who supported the Vietnam War. :)
no he didn't look up machine gun by jimi hendrix. He was a supporter of the panthers too.

http://home.comcast.net/~loudfast/writeweb/mgun.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV74PsUo1dc

bcbm

25th October 2009, 08:44

Jerry Only of The Misfits is a Republican. WTF?!

when i saw "the misfits" live, they had a giant american flag and he gave some speech about supporting troops or some shit.

Honggweilo

25th October 2009, 15:38

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6133/bushguitar1zo2.jpg
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Pirate Utopian

25th October 2009, 15:44

There are no houses in New Orleans, the home of the risings floods
It's been the death of many a' poor boy, but my dry ass isnt one

The Ben G

26th October 2009, 23:33

i think he's more of a libertarian than an anarchist.

When I saw Motorhead live he called all politicians a very nasty word. But you may be right.

fatpanda

27th October 2009, 02:04

Only most mainstream metal and Black metal is Right wing. Napalm death for example are total anarchists. Lemmy from Motorhead is an anarchist. Dave mustaine is a liberal. Ministry is a leftist band. the list goes ever on.

Lemmy is independet but he does lean conservative.

And Dave Mustaine is a conservative Reborn-Christian Republican.

RHIZOMES

27th October 2009, 07:49

What was it all for in the end anyhow? so some hip hop artist could swear every second word, or so some person could produce speedcore with samples from porno-music in it?

Oh golly goshly gee whiz, those damn gangsta rappers are hurting my white middle-class ears with their absolutely filthy language!

Random Precision

28th October 2009, 06:29

no he didn't look up machine gun by jimi hendrix. He was a supporter of the panthers too.

http://home.comcast.net/~loudfast/writeweb/mgun.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV74PsUo1dc

I was obsessed with Hendrix for years and have listened to that song hundreds of times I expect. I don't think it really has that much political content, or at least as not as much as people claim that it does. The connection to Vietnam is largely an inference: He made a song about war... the war in Vietnam was going on... It was about Vietnam!

What I know is from Eric Burdon's (of the Animals fame) autobiography. I'm willing to admit it could be unreliable though:

"Jimi was the first American to talk to me about the war... in 1968 in his apartment. As the riot ensued outside the embassy [between Vietnam War protesters and mounted policemen], we smoked a joint and talked.

"So, what do you think of all that's going on down there?"

"His answer shook me. 'Listen, man, when the Red Chinese come screaming down over the borders of Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam, and take over the whole of the Far East and Asia, you'll understand why the U. S. is trying so hard in Vietnam.'

"I couldn't believe it. In his head, he was still a soldier. He'd just decided to lay down the M-16 and pick up a guitar."

RHIZOMES

28th October 2009, 06:42

I was obsessed with Hendrix for years and have listened to that song hundreds of times I expect. I don't think it really has that much political content, or at least as not as much as people claim that it does. The connection to Vietnam is largely an inference: He made a song about war... the war in Vietnam was going on... It was about Vietnam!

What I know is from Eric Burdon's (of the Animals fame) autobiography. I'm willing to admit it could be unreliable though:

That's interesting. However that clashes a bit with his support for the Black Panthers, which there is historical evidence for:

http://books.google.com/books?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=jimi+hendrix+%22black+panthers%22&btnG=Search+Books

Random Precision

28th October 2009, 20:57

That's interesting. However that clashes a bit with his support for the Black Panthers, which there is historical evidence for:

http://books.google.com/books?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=jimi+hendrix+%22black+panthers%22&btnG=Search+Books

I didn't really get from any of that that he was actually behind their political goals though, or even actually aware of what they were. One of them says that the Panthers were actually pretty hostile to him, which makes sense because his music was never socially committed in the way other black music of the day was, and hence was always much more popular with white people.

Plus you can be pro-civil rights in a vague way and pro-imperialism at the same time, it's a contradictory position but a very common one at least in the United States.

I don't really get the idea that in the end he was very concerned about politics at all whether he was left wing or right wing. If he was the first he only ever expressed it privately, if the second he was very noncommittal about it. Which I guess artists like him have the luxury of being.

The Ben G

30th October 2009, 05:52

Dave Mustaine is a conservative Reborn-Christian Republican.

I knew he was a christian but I didnt know he was a republican. Oh well he wrights good music.

PRC-UTE

30th October 2009, 13:11

Chapter 24

1st November 2009, 13:54

Zappa may have considered him a conservative, but still, what's the first thing that pops into your head when you hear his name or his music? Not his conservatism.
Are Tony Iommi, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Michael Angelo Batio, Jimmy Page, and Karl Sanders all conservative? I don't know... but people were going to their concerts for the music, not for a political lecture.

gorillafuck

3rd November 2009, 00:43

The majority of musicians are Republicans or Democrats. That's kind of representative of the USA, it doesn't make music any less good. Most conservative musicians don't sing about conservativism.

Dean

3rd November 2009, 03:44

The majority of musicians are Republicans or Democrats. That's kind of representative of the USA, it doesn't make music any less good. Most conservative musicians don't sing about conservativism.

How do you know? only 44% or so even vote in the elections. Considering that artists tend to vary politically from the mainstream in general, doesn't it follow that at least maybe conservatives make up a smaller portion of them?

gorillafuck

12th November 2009, 21:06

How do you know? only 44% or so even vote in the elections. Considering that artists tend to vary politically from the mainstream in general, doesn't it follow that at least maybe conservatives make up a smaller portion of them?
That's a good point actually, I didn't think of that.

The Ben G

12th December 2009, 02:39

Dave Mustaine didn't used to be so rightist. He changed over time- used to be fairly lefty and anti-fascist. I think his conversion to conservative born again had partially to do with that being the only successful method he found for staying sober.

I did meet him. He does seem pretty Anti Conservative. 'Bite the hand' and 'Endgame' off the new album, for instance.

He also did say that Voting for Bush was one of the worst things he did.

Ravachol

12th December 2009, 19:02

The European brand of conservatives are listening to neofolk bands like Von Thronstahl, Death in June and Ordo Rosarius Equilibro.

The first two are actually downright fascist, not just conservative. Albeit they're of Evola/Junger strain of fascism.

but people were going to their concerts for the music, not for a political lecture.

That depends, I doubt any leftie who is right in his mind would go to a concert of, say, Division Germania or Stahlgewitter.