Leaders Ruin Revolution

[Comrade Anarchist]

Since the late 1700's many revolutions have accured buy yet all of these have collapsed in on themselves. In all these revolutions they had one thing you need for revoltuion, the people. Yet none have secured all the principles they fought for.

The american revolution was against a king and it set up a republic which has fallen into a totalitorian democracy run by the rich. If Thomas jefferson had take been the leader maybe it would be different but instead the federalists took control and if the states had the ideas of the nation ad people in front instead of their own self interest maybe this could have been an early model of a ferderation and communes but no and as we see today we are the capitalist empire of the world.

The French Revolution is by far my favorite revolution till the guiltine came into existence. The call for liberty, equality, fraterinity, or death is uttered by the great robspierre. Yet by the time he is killed he had turned the revolution into a bloodshed mockery. Him and men like Marot undulate incendiary words that light the people on fire and instead of checking the people's violence, they encourage it causing the revolution to spin out of control and leads to the fall of the revolution and the rise of an emperor.

The Russian Revolution is the idea of the modern communist revolution in a sense. It is the workers rising up against the their leaders and the capitalists. The problem is that the people leading this revolution were not communist. Lenin, trotsky, and stalin take control from the workers and centralizes it leading to the a totalatorian regime that only hurt the idea of revolution and communism.

There are many other revolutions i could say but they all have the same downfalls, Leaders. It is the leaders who promise the people liberty, equality, and brotherhood and yet the only things the people recieved for their fighting was a dictator and poverty.

[Muzk]

The american revolution was against a king and it set up a republic which has fallen into a totalitorian democracy run by the rich.

2 stage theory, underdeveloped countries must have 2 revolutions, first a revolution that would lead into a bourgeoise democracy, and later the one that overthrows capitalism, this kind of applies to America


The Russian Revolution is the idea of the modern communist revolution in a sense. Lenin, trotsky, and stalin take control from the workers and centralizes it leading to the a totalatorian regime that only hurt the idea of revolution and communism.
Lenin was a man the people wanted. Hope. Well, they were still in cold war, had only the ukraine supporting them with crops, they were... cut off, isolated... tough times, tough times... and then Stalin.. you know the rest, the accomplishments of the revolutions fell into the hands of a totalitarian state beaurocracy...


There are many other revolutions i could say but they all have the same downfalls, Leaders. It is the leaders who promise the people liberty, equality, and brotherhood and yet the only things the people recieved for their fighting was a dictator and poverty.Very close minded to only say the leaders did it, if you do some objective analyzation we might find other causes of "failed" revolutions, poverty etc.
From the top of my head these might be some of the major reasons:

Imperialism, counter-revolutionaries, material conditions, degeneration, deformation...

Well... the idea of socialism is to build a state FROM the people FOR the people, and well, after Lenin it kind of went down the hill
Other than that, there were no "real" revolutions of the proletariat other than the russian one... But it failed. One time. But it will happen again... until we succeed!

It is not NECCESSARILY needed to get a dictator, but living in a peaceful society of equality is not possible when captain capitalist is your neighbor


Oh, speaking of captain capitalism, check this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqSzbrtTao

[redmarxist90]

Another revolution is the English Civil war (1642- 1649) to establish Parliamentary Supremacy over the crown which ended in the removal of the monarchy for it to be later reinstated.... oh how we English love our monarch:lol:

[Invincible Summer]

Why are "bourgeois revolutions" being mentioned here? They are inherently not proletarian, and although they overthrew monarchies, from a Communist perspective one could sort of say that they automatically were "ruined" because they were not proletarian.

[the last donut of the night]

Since the late 1700's many revolutions have accured buy yet all of these have collapsed in on themselves. In all these revolutions they had one thing you need for revoltuion, the people. Yet none have secured all the principles they fought for.

The american revolution was against a king and it set up a republic which has fallen into a totalitorian democracy run by the rich. If Thomas jefferson had take been the leader maybe it would be different but instead the federalists took control and if the states had the ideas of the nation ad people in front instead of their own self interest maybe this could have been an early model of a ferderation and communes but no and as we see today we are the capitalist empire of the world.

The French Revolution is by far my favorite revolution till the guiltine came into existence. The call for liberty, equality, fraterinity, or death is uttered by the great robspierre. Yet by the time he is killed he had turned the revolution into a bloodshed mockery. Him and men like Marot undulate incendiary words that light the people on fire and instead of checking the people's violence, they encourage it causing the revolution to spin out of control and leads to the fall of the revolution and the rise of an emperor.

The Russian Revolution is the idea of the modern communist revolution in a sense. It is the workers rising up against the their leaders and the capitalists. The problem is that the people leading this revolution were not communist. Lenin, trotsky, and stalin take control from the workers and centralizes it leading to the a totalatorian regime that only hurt the idea of revolution and communism.

There are many other revolutions i could say but they all have the same downfalls, Leaders. It is the leaders who promise the people liberty, equality, and brotherhood and yet the only things the people recieved for their fighting was a dictator and poverty.


It's not that leaders themselves ruin revolutions. You share the capitalist notion of 'human nature' -- that is, just because I have authority it means I will corrupt socialistic ideals. That isn't true.

Most of the revolutions you claim were bourgeois, and thus didn't really lead to the "liberty, equality, and brotherhood" you claim.

The Russian Revolution, did work, at least for one year (1917-- the number varies, depending on who you're asking). However, it was destroyed by a semi-feudal country, the white army, and imperialist forces from outside. Oh, and the revolution in Germany was an epic fail.

Your post doesn't regard class struggle. It places more blame on individuals than the actual class relationships at the time.