Stupid White Men - Michael Moore

[Chinjanista]

so what does everyone think about the book? i just finished reading it - he works himself up into such a frenzy and there were parts that i just couldnt read. Like pretty much the whole chapter 'kill whitey'. But i still recognize him as a valid voice of the left, i geuss. Has ne1 else read the book?


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[Jesus Christ]

Michael Moore is the biggest hypocrite ever to walk the Earth
the book was good for a few good laughs, but thats about it
he can't make up his mind about ANYTHING
he just complains and complains and complains
i cant stand the guy
it was sorta Napalm and Silly Putty reminiscent

[Zombie]

Finished reading Chomsky's "what Uncle Sam really wants", and just starting a book by Frederic Encel "Middle East between War and Peace, the Golan's geopolitics"

I never read or saw a Moores' movie, I can't find Bowling for Columbine anywhere anyhow...

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Primus32302,
First of all, I find George Carlin hysterical. There are few that are as funny as him. I admit that you are not going to find any political advice from him, but his griping about everything is his shtick in the first place.

In what way is Moore a hypocrite?

Do you find that Moore considers supporting corporate welfare... ever? He seems quite sure about his opposition to corporate greed, and so that is one thing he can make up his mind on.

Can you at least admire a man that reveals so much corruption and absurdity, and displays in a humorous manner that gets him into the mass media? Does he get no credit from you for that?

[Jesus Christ]

Michael Moore didnt reveal anything that people didnt know
he tries so hard to be the big political rebel, but in the process, he just gets in the way and pisses people off
i cant stand the man
and not just for those reasons

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Michal Moore is a revisionist, so it's no surprise I'll disagree with most of his ideas. Alot of what he says though, is valid and insightful, while alot of it is complete rubbish that's hardly good even for some laughs.

[Rastafari]

George Carlin is perhaps one of the funniest commedians to walk the earth. I can use any of his lines against those pro-life jokers...

[Comrade Ceausescu]

michael moore is by far my fravorite authour.no doubtly the smartest capitalist alive.

[Fever]

Actually Primus, you are very much wrong. Although i dont agree with some of what moore says, most of the people reading his book dont already know about the things he is writing about. Although he may not be the best he gets his ideas out to the masses.

[truthaddict11]

he lied and edited greatly in his last "documentry" there is a thread on it in OI

[SonofRage]

I found his book to be interesting but I can't say he wrote anything particularly insightful or original. While I agree with a lot of his political opinions, I think he's a bit of an assclown.

[RED FIRE]

Its well,an ok book,But I think that it is really only insightful if your an american.He does seem to do whole lot of whinning.

[suffianr]

He tells it like it is. It's not an overtly intellectual book, but then again, intellectual books rarely appeal to the masses. It's full of scathing diatribes, but that's the sort of hype he's trying to spin...I'd give it a 7/10 for an honest attempt at entertaining readers while marginally educating them.

[Mogwai]

i dont claim to be an expert when it comes to left wing literature...in fact, im pretty much ignorant.

i ordered 3 books from amazon, because i feel that the way the world is run is wrong, and i wanted to do something about it, but needed to learn first.

i ordered:

stupid white men - michael moore - i ordered this because i own bowling for columbine, i was fairly impressed with the ideas, though it was poorly edited <_< i thought this book would give me, the total novice, a humerous and fairly light-hearted introduction to some of the ideas not really regarding communism, but the corruption of the american government.

rogue states: the rule of force in world affairs - noam chomsky - largely on the strength of the author, hearing nothing about good things, i hope he will tell it exactly as it is, the truth, no comedy. im expecting something not-for-the-novice, but i think it will serve me well.

the age of consent: a manifesto for a new world order - george monbiot - i got this because it looked slightly less like hard work than chomsky, and apparently had a more hands on and accesible idea for how to fix the problems of the world (bush)


i got my books this morning, and read stupid white men, just finished it an hour ago. it was a bit &#39;al over the place&#39; and haphazard, but i didnt find it contradictory. he has a habit of going off on a tangent, to not really relevent situations, especially not to a 16 year old brittish kid. but to be honest, i bought this book with fairly mediocre expectations, as a simple and easy to get into book to give myself an idea of what to expect from the more complex works of chomsky. for this purpose, i think it did very well. obviously, it wont satisfy the reading level of most people on this forum, but i dont think it tries to. it is blending political satire with interesting and relevent points, making a much more accessible medium for people like myself. had it not been for his book, i think i would have been too intimidated to go out and buy rogue states/the age of consent. now, i think you should let michael moore of the hook a bit here... if he is helping to get young people interested in politics, and giving them a platform to move onto more complex books, is this not a great thing?

i think i am fairly good evidence of what he has accomplished through the book, and if he could get at least one teenager interested i think he has succeeded. so please, give a thought to what he has written this book for, not flame him for not writing what you want to read - there are different people with different levels of understanding here :huh:

sorry to rant on my first post :D

MOGWAI

[elijahcraig]

Liberalism...*sigh*


He&#39;s funny in places, but he is a capitalist liberal fuck. "Useful idiot"

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 02:12 PM
Liberalism...*sigh*


He&#39;s funny in places, but he is a capitalist liberal fuck. "Useful idiot"
my thoughts exactly

[Funky Monk]

Don&#39;t know what the fuck he was talking about when he adressed the NI thing.And since that was the only area covered in the book where i can consider myself knowledgable it worries me slightly.

[lacoubre]

Sobeit if moore didnt say anything new. His open attacks on everything-bush were humorous at least. My favorite part was the open letter to the commander in thief. " Can you read??" Great. Has everyone seen bowling for Columbine? I have not but it comes out August 19th.

[sliverchrist]

the book was informative for me, at least.

its true tha moore does complain a lot, but very few are heard as well or as far as he is.

i like the book and i like moore, he makes waves, and i like waves.

[YKTMX]

I think he&#39;s great personally. He&#39;s a constanst and genuine voice of dissent, and god knows, people in America really need a voice right now that isn&#39;t southern and illiterate. He might be "Liberal", although I&#39;m sure he&#39;d refute that, but that doesn&#39;t (or shouldn&#39;t) negate his many admiral qualities.


Micahel Moore = Good.

[blackemma]

Do you find that Moore considers supporting corporate welfare... ever? He seems quite sure about his opposition to corporate greed, and so that is one thing he can make up his mind on.

My impression upon reading Michael Moore was that he was a Democrat, albeit a left-of-centre Democrat. If I am wrong and not merely making an assumption, which I could be, then I find it somewhat naive, if not hypocritical, that he comes down so hard on Bush. For instance, that Bush stole the election... Well, yes, but what&#39;s Moore&#39;s point? Had the Democrats won, the election still would have been a joke, with the majority of the population not voting, and the politicians serving as lackeys of the capitalists. Likewise, his attacks on American imperialism are also somewhat naive, again if I am correct in thinking he is a Democrat, since Democrats are in many ways more vicious than Republicans in foreign policy, they&#39;re simply better at pulling the wool over people&#39;s eyes. That, in brief, is my impression of Michael Moore - well meaning reformist, but a reformist nonetheless.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 10:39 AM

Do you find that Moore considers supporting corporate welfare... ever? He seems quite sure about his opposition to corporate greed, and so that is one thing he can make up his mind on.

My impression upon reading Michael Moore was that he was a Democrat, albeit a left-of-centre Democrat. If I am wrong and not merely making an assumption, which I could be, then I find it somewhat naive, if not hypocritical, that he comes down so hard on Bush.
No, he gives as much grief to the democrats as he does to the republicans. He has a whole chapter on what a prick Clinton was/is. So I think/know you are wrong about him being a democrat. In fact, If I remember correctly, he was criticized by the liberal left in American for NOT supporting Gore in Florida, and telling people to vote for Nader.

[Fever]

Yeah, people were pissed because of that. Better gore than bush i say. Would you rather have the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?