Some talking points for libertarians?

[Kukulofori]

I just found out I'm gonna be in Seattle during the Can You Hear Us Now?! protests. Obviously, I'm going to be attending and talking to the participants and onlookers, so I'd like some stuff to read up on for this?

[The Idler]

Pose the Ruby Ridge libertarian stumping dilemma - how can individual libertarians possibly survive in encounters with a well-armed state military police force?

[The Broke Cycle]

Pose the Ruby Ridge libertarian stumping dilemma - how can individual libertarians possibly survive in encounters with a well-armed state military police force?

The same way every insurgency in the world does it. Insurgency. Terrorism. Sabotage. Economic warfare. Propaganda. Define the battlefield and make them play according to your rules. Don't get bogged down in big operations - be the swarm, not the bee.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

Just explain to them why free market capitalism doesn't exist. The state and capitalism will always exist together because of their co-beneficial relationship. Libertarian capitalism would result in extremely poor living conditions for the working class and would just instigate class struggle which is why the state panders to the people to remain in power.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I assume by libertarian we're denoting capitalist "libertarians." What exactly do you mean by talking points? Small, digestible phrases that touch on emotional convictions? I suppose you could touch on the moral quandary of there not really existing an "ultimate" freedom. All actions are a limitation of someone else's freedom in a way.

[The Idler]

The same way every insurgency in the world does it. Insurgency. Terrorism. Sabotage. Economic warfare. Propaganda. Define the battlefield and make them play according to your rules. Don't get bogged down in big operations - be the swarm, not the bee.
So you're telling libertarians, who support individuals right to armed defense, to organise collective armed defense? I don't think you'll get very far without pointing out the failure of individual armed defence against a state. There are many examples including Ruby Ridge, Timothy McVeigh etc. Perhaps you'd like to show me examples of where libertarians have successfully defeated states?

[The Broke Cycle]

So you're telling libertarians, who support individuals right to armed defense, to organise collective armed defense? I don't think you'll get very far without pointing out the failure of individual armed defence against a state. There are many examples including Ruby Ridge, Timothy McVeigh etc. Perhaps you'd like to show me examples of where libertarians have successfully defeated states?

I wouldn't have to show you a libertarian revolution, just one which consisted of individuals coming together consensually to oppose state violence. Which there are hundreds if not thousands of examples of.

Furthermore, decentralized armed force is not as bad as you think it is. Without a multi-billion dollar budget, it is perhaps the only way for a smaller group to defeat a bigger one.

As a former libertarian, I can tell you right now that this talking point would never accomplish anything, at least with any libertarian worth his salt.

[The Idler]

I wouldn't have to show you a libertarian revolution, just one which consisted of individuals coming together consensually to oppose state violence. Which there are hundreds if not thousands of examples of.

Furthermore, decentralized armed force is not as bad as you think it is. Without a multi-billion dollar budget, it is perhaps the only way for a smaller group to defeat a bigger one.

As a former libertarian, I can tell you right now that this talking point would never accomplish anything, at least with any libertarian worth his salt.I think you'll find individuals coming together consensually to oppose state violence (including using decentralized armed force), is no more libertarian than it is socialist. In fact historical examples of workers militias would suggest the latter, Catalonian Spain in the Spanish Civil War is the best example.

[The Broke Cycle]

I think you'll find individuals coming together consensually to oppose state violence (including using decentralized armed force), is no more libertarian than it is socialist. In fact historical examples of workers militias would suggest the latter, Catalonian Spain in the Spanish Civil War is the best example.

I agree, but your point was that libertarians wouldn't be able to defend themselves, and this is categorically untrue. So long as they have the support, they have just a good a chance as anyone.