61% Amaericans Say Use Force To Stop Iran

[GracchusBabeuf]

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[Uncle Ho]

And here comes the manufactured consent.

So the only real question is, will you go to jail for refusing to fight or attempt to flee?

[Death By Starbucks.]

fuck u u prick

[cb9's_unity]

The American public being scared into supporting imperialism (or believing its rubbish) is an all too common occurrence.

[Revy]

well, it's a Fox News poll. Although I wouldn't doubt that a majority would feel that way.

[Axle]

Ok, lets get this straight: 61% of Americans want to "Stop Iran" (using military force, of course), while a majority of Americans also want to pull out of Iraq.

Apparently some Americans are unaware that stopping an unjust war only to start another one is...well, its plain fucking stupid.


EDIT: Ah, Fox News...I see. That explains so much.

[pierrotlefou]

Though its a Fox poll, it is possible that the Democratic government is going to use any excuse possible for another war.
More than possible. That demon clinton is trying to pressure Russia into going for harsh sanctions and going around europe to garner support against Iran. The gears of the war machine are oiled and getting ready to go.

[RadioRaheem84]

Funny, our Nobel Peace Prize President, who campaigned as being anti-war, might instigate a war on Iran?

[JimmyJazz]

In b4 Maoist Th3rd Worldist says that Fox News has the most accurate polls EVARRRR.


I would not be surprised if the Americans who favor a hard line against Iran are predominantly from the generations that experienced the 1979 hostage crisis. That really was the 9/11 of an earlier era--probably the most significant patriotism-inducing event in the whole space between Pearl Harbor and 9/11/01. The generations that experienced it will probably always be apt to call for blood against Iran when there is a fresh excuse to do so, however flimsy, for at least as long as the Khomeinist regime that did it is still in place. Whereas younger Americans, who only have experience of the clusterfuck that is the Iraq occupation, will probably be much more cautious and diplomatic minded.

The same is almost certainly true of Iran. The last generation that remembers Mossadeq and the 1953 American-British coup is dying off and ceasing to dominate Iran's politics, which is probably part of the reason why 2009 was the year we began to see such upheavals of markedly pro-Western Iranian youth.

[pierrotlefou]

Funny, our Nobel Peace Prize President, who campaigned as being anti-war, might instigate a war on Iran?
So soon after too. You'd think he'd wait until everyone forgot about that.

[Outinleftfield]

All it would take is a little research to realize that Iran is not a nuclear threat. With a little research they would find that:

1. Ahmadinejad is NOT that powerful. Khamenei has all the power over military and even many domestic matters including the nuclear program.
2. Khamenei made a fatwa in 2005 against nuclear weapons.
-Iran is a theocracy and a fatwa is a religious declaration against something in Islam. Putting out a fatwa is a very serious statement and if Khamenei made such a statement in a Shiite theocracy and then turned out to be violating it himself in secret it would be the end of his political career as he can be impeached by the Assembly of Experts, a government body in Iran composed of Mullahs.
3. The IAEA is actually more concerned that Iran had a program before 2005 that it is now covering up. It does not believe it has one now but according to policy if it did have one so recently it would not be allowed to have a peaceful nuclear program.

It is a disappointing reflection on how most Americans don't care about facts so they don't research. They're content to just sit around watching the news and let the news tell them everything without doing any independent research even though independent research is much easier to do now that we have the internet. What a person would've been lucky to find out after hours in a library you can find in a few minutes by typing a few words into google.

There are no excuses any more. Tell your fellow Americans to do some research on Iran. Tell them to type Khamenei, nuclear weapons, and fatwa into google. Tell them to go to wikipedia and read about Iran's government especially the articles on the Supreme Leader and the president so they can find out that Ahmadinejad has no power over Iran's nuclear program. Also tell them to look up Assembly of Experts so they know the political situation means a nuclear weapons program would be political suicide for Khamenei.

[Comrade B]

According to a new FOX News poll
makes me have my doubts about this... people aren't that forgetful...

Iran is a technologically modern country with a large population for domestic modernization. The leadership is recognized by several countries, and also, if a president declares another war in the middle east, you can be sure as hell that president will not get re-elected.
The US government is evil, but not stupid. They won't touch Iran
The people of the US should not be characterized by what Fox News says they are...

[noway]

its a phony poll

[Stranger Than Paradise]

The American public being scared into supporting imperialism (or believing its rubbish) is an all too common occurrence.

Very true. The American government historically will invent enemies and threats for it's people to fear, it only helps them further their message of violence and hate.

[GPDP]

makes me have my doubts about this... people aren't that forgetful...

Iran is a technologically modern country with a large population for domestic modernization. The leadership is recognized by several countries, and also, if a president declares another war in the middle east, you can be sure as hell that president will not get re-elected.
The US government is evil, but not stupid. They won't touch Iran
The people of the US should not be characterized by what Fox News says they are...

While you may be right about Fox News, I am not so sure anymore we can safely claim the U.S. isn't "stupid" enough to attack Iran. There was a time when I believed the same, but seeing how the current campaign against Iran mirrors almost to the letter the campaign against Iraq, I can't help but feel they really ARE that stupid.

[JimmyJazz]

Yeah, it is a definite possibility. The Left should be preparing to counter a drive to war, not engaging in denial.

[ckaihatsu]

The American public being scared into supporting imperialism (or believing its rubbish) is an all too common occurrence.


We already know that war is the health of the state. With the U.S. on increasingly unsteady economic and geopolitical footing all it has left is muscle power and star power -- running on fumes, in short....

Guess they're reviving the tried-and-true Cold War fear of nukes, huh...?

[ckaihatsu]

makes me have my doubts about this... people aren't that forgetful...

Iran is a technologically modern country with a large population for domestic modernization. The leadership is recognized by several countries, and also, if a president declares another war in the middle east, you can be sure as hell that president will not get re-elected.
The US government is evil, but not stupid. They won't touch Iran
The people of the US should not be characterized by what Fox News says they are...


The U.S. has been trying to sell a war on Iran since just after 9-11, along with the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq -- remember the 'Axis of Evil'...?

So Iraq's over, support for U.S. attacks in Afghanistan is waning -- now we have this new round of sabre-rattling against Iran.... This is a rolling bubble of *militarism*, like the rolling *economic* bubble that is now at big banking and raw materials ("commodities")....

Mad Max barbarism is truly here at last and it's being paid for with public funds.


Chris




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Meh.. A FOX news poll consisting of 900 participants. Doesn't exactly sell the point. It is good to be skeptical of surveys, and I am skeptical of this one. I think most Americans are in shit positions economically right now, and don't have any fucking interest in the US government eating away more of their money for another war.

[Comrade B]

I think it is paranoia to think that the US is about to fling itself into another war. It would be political suicide for anybody supporting it. I am not in denial, I fully believe that there will not be any kind of preemptive attack.

[FreeFocus]

Forgive these Americans, for they know not what they do.

:rolleyes:

[Revy]

I think it is paranoia to think that the US is about to fling itself into another war. It would be political suicide for anybody supporting it. I am not in denial, I fully believe that there will not be any kind of preemptive attack.

Maybe Obama knows he might get replaced if he launches more wars. That's not going to stop him though. While there may be no clear majority support for interventions, the American public is decidedly split. There is no clear majority against them, and the anti-war movement is comatose (thanks to the Democratic Party). I'm sure Obama would feel confident anyway.

Most likely a lot of the "progressive" shills will line up behind Obama to prevent whatever Republican that is nominated from winning. If we're lucky, we might see the same liberal angst against Sarah Palin. That kind of personality politics will be a distraction from the main issues.

[toughlove]

I think some here don't realize that Obama simply doesn't have the military resources to launch another war. The dual wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have taxed the American military to the breaking point, and Iran would be no pushover.

The American military is also afraid of China's expanding navy, and thus it is increasingly unwilling to commit *all* of its resources to an area that has historically proved very problematic for Imperialist powers.

Faux News can wail all they want, but I don't think even John McCain is pugnacious enough to want another full-scale war.

[GPDP]

I think some here don't realize that Obama simply doesn't have the military resources to launch another war. The dual wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have taxed the American military to the breaking point, and Iran would be no pushover.

The American military is also afraid of China's expanding navy, and thus it is increasingly unwilling to commit *all* of its resources to an area that has historically proved very problematic for Imperialist powers.

Faux News can wail all they want, but I don't think even John McCain is pugnacious enough to want another full-scale war.

Let's hope so. But remember: the logic of empire is not always rational or sound. Against all odds and all real necessity, even in terms of bourgeois empowerment, a war may yet happen, and it is precisely because of the factors you just outlined that it would result in abject failure and catastrophe for all parties involved.

[RedSpartacus]

I swear to god half of these polls are manufactured just to sway the opinions of people who don't know what the hell is going on. I mean if average Joe reads of multiple polls stating that between 70-75% of the American people think that Obama is a reptilian he's gonna think to himself "Well I'll be damned....I guess he must be a reptilian!"

According to my recent poll in which I interviewed 3 billion people in over a hundred countries over a 3 hour period, I have found that 99% of people are gullible buffoons

[Dimentio]

Meh.. A FOX news poll consisting of 900 participants. Doesn't exactly sell the point. It is good to be skeptical of surveys, and I am skeptical of this one. I think most Americans are in shit positions economically right now, and don't have any fucking interest in the US government eating away more of their money for another war.

I concur. The White House has broken all relations with FOX, claiming its a propaganda machine and not a news channel.