Nazi's in Australia

[JacobVardy]

I just ran into some skin heads dressed in pseudo-SS regalia. Jackboots, cavalry pants, tight coats with a silver deaths-head on one collar. I could not see what was on the other collar, except that it was also silver.

This was at Paramatta station, Sydney, NSW, Australia. Are there neo-Nazi's running round western Sydney? Is there someone i should forward this sighting too?

[Stand Your Ground]

Nazis are everywhere. I'm sure the right people are already aware of this but thanks for letting us know.

[Melbourne Lefty]

In Australia the only nazi party is Australia First. And it has about 10 members.

Aussies dont do nazi shit.

[MaoTseHelen]

In Australia the only nazi party is Australia First. And it has about 10 members.

Aussies dont do nazi shit.
How fast Cronulla is forgotten.

[Melbourne Lefty]

How fast Cronulla is forgotten.

Racist yes, nazi no.

[Anaximander]

Aussies dont do nazi shit.

And to think Romper Stomper is what shaped my conception of Australia all this time..

[Melbourne Lefty]

And to think Romper Stomper is what shaped my conception of Australia all this time..

Australia is a racist country, but its the kind of racism that you get from lads down the pub complaining about "Farking foreeners" over a few Pints.

While this is a part of Australian society that needs to be wiped out and destroyed, thankfully we dont get nazis on the same scale as most other countries.

[Anaximander]

I get you. About that around here too. No one (effectively, anyway) is actively seeking violence, but people are resolutely racist, thanks to the history of white flight in my area. Totally reactionary.

[Steve_j]

It might have just been fancy dress, i doubt many nazi's would go around public, dressed in full ss uniform.

However yes there are fascists in australia. There seems to be a small National anarchists movement not sure if its growing or not, im a little out of touch there, but they are the one's to watch (imo), and a little harder to spot than someone parrading around in full ss uniform;), apparently they have showed up at a few large demo's, apec and may day (i think) ...

If you are really concerned, check around for local antifascist groups, or send these folks a message http://www.fightdemback.org/

Although I would not suggest contacting someone possing as antifa australia, the individual was posting on this board (i think since banned) but i have the feeling it was just that, an individual and a keyboard.

[AntifaAustralia]

Although I would not suggest contacting someone possing as antifa australia, the individual was posting on this board (i think since banned) but i have the feeling it was just that, an individual and a keyboard.

absolutely 100% Correct. but not the avoid do not contact bit, that was harsh.

Fight dem back.org? they are anti-racists and anti-fascists, and they can also be the neo-liberal capitalist bastards we hate. There is no working class affiliation with FDB at all, it is all simple and basic Human rights work. I remember a guy that wasn't socialist having a go at lefties at the forum, that guy said something like "socialism is dictatorship of the proletariat".

i have nothing against FDB (except the neo-lib side of things there), they are more organised, have more intelligence data, more people. but they are not aligned with the international left anti-fascist movement.

my campaign to get anti-fascist awareness to the australian community is not organised, not associated with other people, and i have less intelligence data on Nazi groups, but i am aligned to the left antifa.

And any of you guys want to help out in promoting leftist anti-fascism in australia? not anti-racism like FDB. Or we could have the Pro-soviet coummunist party of australia (CPA) to lead the path of anti-fascism like in the past.

[Melbourne Lefty]

i have nothing against FDB (except the neo-lib side of things there), they are more organised, have more intelligence data, more people. but they are not aligned with the international left anti-fascist movement.


From the looks of their website they do have left wing and even anarchist members. I think you may be a little too harsh on them. They do their best. And because they are not seen as "extreme" they can cultivate more press contacts.

But anti-fascism is not a priority here. General anti-racism work is much more important.

[AntifaAustralia]

But anti-fascism is not a priority here. General anti-racism work is much more important.

But you cannot leave out international workers' struggles too melbourne lefty.

we as lefties must link racism with class struggles, and also we must be anti-nationalists and smash all borders as well.

the left parties and groups try to do just that. I like the past communist party of australia's unite against fascism campaign. Back when pauline Hanson was about doing her fascist shit and gaining unbelieveable support yes there were anti-racist neoliberal globalisationists like Howard, but there were also international socialists too, i think SAG (socialsit action group) and some other group (now merged as Solidarity) physically tried to block Pauline hanson from some events with protests.

[AntifaAustralia]

I just ran into some skin heads .......

This was at Paramatta station, Sydney, NSW, Australia. Are there neo-Nazi's running round western Sydney?......

west sydney penrith has some racists, southern beaches cronulla, northern beaches manly.

Racist nazis in the city or parramatta sure is a rare sight. there would be just too much ethnics and anti-nazis for them to be safe!

[Steve_j]

absolutely 100% Correct. but not the avoid do not contact bit, that was harsh.

Yeah i can see how it would have come across a bit harsh, i didnt mean in it the sense of "avoid" (personally) but in if the op is really concerned that it might be better to contact an established group. But fair call.

[AntifaAustralia]

an individual and a keyboard.

Speaking about negative antifaaustralia stuff, i once was contacted by some anti-antifa guy trying to get some info from me. He too called me a (similar to what you steven J said) "just a man with a computer", i'm wondering if you are an anti-antifa guy?

the anti-antifa guy feared and was curious about my actions (as i am very left wing and anti-nationalist), i to have come to realise that even antifasicsts can be the same. It may be a bad and good thing.

[Bilan]

How fast Cronulla is forgotten.

How little you know about it. Australia has a deeply imbedded racist history, but not a tendency towards Nazism. Nazi's in Australia are so unbelievably rare.

[Melbourne Lefty]

Australia has a deeply imbedded racist history, but not a tendency towards Nazism. Nazi's in Australia are so unbelievably rare.

We dont get very interested in totalitarianism in general.

[Bilan]

We dont get very interested in totalitarianism in general.

Well, that's not true. Recent history of Australian politics has taken a disturbing towards more 'totalitarian regimes' - especially during the Howard era. It involved less economic intervention and more intense social intervention and police presence (e.g. the militarisation of Redfern; Northern Terrirtory intervention; Anti-Terrorism, etc).
The tendency toward fascism exists everywhere, no less in Australia. There's just not a lot of fascists.

[Melbourne Lefty]

It involved less economic intervention


How is less economic intervention fascist?

[Bilan]

How is less economic intervention fascist?

That's not what I said. Re-read. I said there was less economic intervention, but more state intervention in other areas of life.

[Melbourne Lefty]

Recent history of Australian politics has taken a disturbing towards more 'totalitarian regimes' - especially during the Howard era. It involved less economic intervention...


You were not being clear here to say the least. The implication was that less government intervention in the economy was a fascist thing.

About the only similarity between fascism and socialism is that both support intervention in the economy. In the latters case to create equality, the formers case to create a strong "national" economy.

[Bilan]

You were not being clear here to say the least. The implication was that less government intervention in the economy was a fascist thing.

No, it wasn't. If you read what I quoted, it was in reference to your claim of "totalitarianism", not fascism. These are not synonyms.



About the only similarity between fascism and socialism is that both support intervention in the economy.

What has this to do with anything? It is not a 'similarity' of fascism and socialism, except in the most utterly bourgeois, and vague way. Corporatism and socialisation of the means of production (both in distribution and production) are not similar.



In the latters case to create equality, the formers case to create a strong "national" economy.

Yeah, again, this isn't relevant. I didn't imply Australia was a fascist state, or heading towards it. I said, explicitly, that Australia was following a trend toward totalitarianism - which was depicted most eloquently during the Howard era. I said there is less intervention in the economy (That is, prior to the economic crisis), following the trend that begun in the 90's under Hawke/Keating, but a much stronger and heavier intervention into other areas of life - for example, heavier censorship, higher police presence, more intense and invasive laws, etc.
This is not the same as fascism, and nowhere have I implied that.