Animal Farm

[Comrade Raz]

I've always wondered if the pigs portrayed in the book actually represented individual russians who took part in the revolution or wether the whole of Animal Farm is just meant to resemble what happened to the Soviets and the USSR.

Any idea?

[mentalbunny]

I think snowball is Trotsky, but I'm not entirely certain, the main ones certainly represent various individuals but I can't remember which is whihc, it's bean a long time since i read it.

[canikickit]

I forget their names, but the old guy who gives a speech at the start is Marx.
The guy who is driven off the farm is Trotsky....

Here we go:

http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/index.cgi/work/s...ries/animf.html (http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/index.cgi/work/summaries/animf.html)

Special thanks to Paris. :)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=21&topic=490 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=21&topic=490)

I disagree with most of what Hazard was saying in this thread.

(Edited by canikickit at 10:47 pm on June 22, 2003)

[Danton]

Then who was the woman felating that horse? Ye Gods he had carrier bag full!

Oh... the other Animal farm.

[Kez]

old major is lenin

the donkey and the horse are the real proleteriat, the donkek represent the intelligensia

[elijahcraig]

Old Major represents Marxism-Leninism, or the two combined.

[Comrade Raz]

I colud see that Napolean and Snowball were Stalin and Trotsky but i got confused when i looked at old major.

I thought if he's lennin then why does he die before the revolution takes place and if he is Marx then why is there no animal to represent Lennin as im sure you will agree Lennin played a difinitive part in the revolution.

But you guys have cleard this up with the links and the suggestions about him being a cross between Lennin and Marx.

Thanks.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I was taught in my English class that Old Major represents Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Snowball is Trotsky. Napoleon is Stalin.

[bluerev002]

I am pretty sure that Snowball is Trotsky, but I think Napolean represents what happens when men force the guns away from the greedy men and make the mistake of giving it to diffrent men who will use it for the same perpous. I think I read that in the Communist Manifesto, but yeah, Maybe it was Stalin after all :)

[Palmares]

Snowball was Trotsky.

Napolean (the ironic name was deliberate) was Stalin.

Old Major was Karl Marx.

Farmer Jones was the Czar, Nikolai II


Personally I don't like Animal Farm much, not that Orwell wrote it badly. Just that there are some inaccuracies (probably deliberate), and most people I know use it as the proof of communism's 'failure'.

It really pisses me off.

USSR, not communism... :o

[Urban Rubble]

Animal Farm is very critical of the Soviet Union.

Orwell was an Anti Soviet socialist.

[Palmares]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 2:08 pm on July 14, 2003
Animal Farm is very critical of the Soviet Union.

Orwell was an Anti Soviet socialist.

Yeah, he kinda reminds of Jean-Paul Sartre in that sense. A non-committed, independent socialist.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Personally I don't like Animal Farm much, not that Orwell wrote it badly. Just that there are some inaccuracies (probably deliberate), and most people I know use it as the proof of communism's 'failure'.

It really pisses me off.

USSR, not communism...

I agree with you, Comrade Cthenthar. That was exactly the way my English teacher used the book way back in ninth grade. Communism is wonderful in theory, just like how happy the animals are to be rid of the farmer. But then someone else inevitably comes to power and you are right back where you started. The moral of the story, kiddies, is to never trust a revolution... just settle for those table scraps from the ruling class...

It is just too bad that I was not yet a leftist. It could have been an interesting debate.