RSYM Statement 11/10/09

[IrishWorker]

RSYM Statement 11/10/09
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The RSYM fully support the leadership of the INLA in its bold move to clearly state its intentions to follow the goal of a 32 county socialist republic in a political and peaceful way.
We understand that Irish politics have changed and evolved past the conditions of armed resistance and onto a new plain of political struggle and we welcome the new challenges that will arise out of this decision with open arms.
The RSYM objectives have not and will never change we still commit ourselves to building a revolutionary left wing republican movement based strongly on the teachings of James Connolly and Seamus Costello.
We feel very privileged to have been involved in the in-depth discussions and analysis over the last year that has lead up to today’s statement and would like to thank the Leadership of the IRSM for holding our opinions in such high regard.
We would also like to pay homage to all who lost there life’s in the struggle for National Liberation and Socialism the brave men and women of the INLA.




Ultimately our allegiance is to the working class, onwards to victory.

Eoghan Mc Laughlin
Chairman RSYM
RSYM Statement 11/10/09

[Q]

We understand that Irish politics have changed and evolved past the conditions of armed resistance
Yeah, since 1921 or so. I'm glad the RSYM (the who?) also realized this now, better late as never.

[Saorsa]

Yeah, since 1921 or so.

So nationalists being burned out of their homes had no right to use force to defend their communities, and fight back against the groups and institutions attacking them?

[MaoTseHelen]

RSYM (the who?)

Republican Socialist Youth Movement.

[Pogue]

How big is the RSYM? I'm interested because I was wondering about how easy and worthwhile setting up political youth organisations is, not to make some low blow attack or anything.

[Q]

So nationalists being burned out of their homes had no right to use force to defend their communities, and fight back against the groups and institutions attacking them?
Defend themselves, yes, I fully agree with the need of workers' militia's. Waging terrorist tactics killing many more innocent working class people and strengthening state repression, no.

[Andropov]

Defend themselves, yes, I fully agree with the need of workers' militia's. Waging terrorist tactics killing many more innocent working class people and strengthening state repression, no.
Absurd.
Heard this from Trots before, totally rejecting the material context of Ireland and attempting to super impose their pure interpretation of Revolution.
The very fact that Trtos existed in Belfast at the time and were unable to achieve these worker militias pays testament that it was not viable in the political climate.

[Andropov]

How big is the RSYM? I'm interested because I was wondering about how easy and worthwhile setting up political youth organisations is, not to make some low blow attack or anything.
We have Cummans in Derry, Tyrone, Antrim, Dublin, Sligo, Tipperary and Cork.
Its small at the moment but it was only relaunched not even 2 years ago.
But its growing and moving in the right direction.
Basically if your politics are right and can assosciate with the working class and you put the work in on the ground everything else will follow.

[Q]

Absurd.
Heard this from Trots before, totally rejecting the material context of Ireland and attempting to super impose their pure interpretation of Revolution.
The very fact that Trtos existed in Belfast at the time and were unable to achieve these worker militias pays testament that it was not viable in the political climate.
I can play that ball right back at ya: The very fact that guerrilla existed in Belfast at the time and were unable to achieve independence but instead strengthened the state repression and caused unnecessary working class deaths pays testament that it was not viable in the political climate, or indeed at all.

[Andropov]

I can play that ball right back at ya: The very fact that guerrilla existed in Belfast at the time and were unable to achieve independence
Touche, the British Military won a victory in Ireland.
And hence why in the current climate I support political action but never ruling out military action if the context changes in Ireland.

but instead strengthened the state repression
Ohh please, at least now there is some semblence of Civil Rights in Ireland.
Its far from perfect but that is something that the provo decommisioning did achieve.
[qoute]and caused unnecessary working class deaths pays testament that it was not viable in the political climate, or indeed at all.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely absurd.
If it were not for "terrorists" like the PIRA and INLA then Ardoyne and Short Strand would not be here today.
And in all likelyhood half of West Belfast would also have been cleansed.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Defend themselves, yes, I fully agree with the need of workers' militia's. Waging terrorist tactics killing many more innocent working class people and strengthening state repression, no.
Ireland is a nation, but it is denied the rights which come with the nation status so it's up to volunteers to win those rights and I personally believe that they should do it by any means necessary. Republican groups are not fighting the working class as Q obviously wants people to believe, they are fighting British imperialism. I don't see why any Marxist, Trotskyist or otherwise, would be against waging war on imperialism, Irish volunteers are doing a whole lot more than any of us are, best to show them a little respect because right now you are talking about them like they're al-Qaeda or something.

[LeninBalls]

Defend themselves, yes, I fully agree with the need of workers' militia's. Waging terrorist tactics killing many more innocent working class people and strengthening state repression, no.

Please stop with your idealist bullshit. No one has agreed with you in this or the other thread, only disagreed. You try putting yourself as a young working class Catholic in Belfast 1972 being faced with the decision to start up a "worker's militia" and initiating a successful revolution across North and South Ireland or picking up a gun and fighting for your equality.

[PRC-UTE]

Absurd.
Heard this from Trots before, totally rejecting the material context of Ireland and attempting to super impose their pure interpretation of Revolution.
The very fact that Trtos existed in Belfast at the time and were unable to achieve these worker militias pays testament that it was not viable in the political climate.


Spot on. As LeninBalls said, its idealist bullshit.

The economist trots have always played this game- look at their terrible record on the hunger strikes. they admitted it was all Britain's fault, but they refused to join or take part in the campaign in support of the hunger strikers because that would be "sectarian".

of course in reality, sectarianism is basically a northern unionist problem, not an inherently Irish problem, but accepting that fact basically legitimises republicanism, so much of the left just plays little semantic games.