Going to a gun show

[ellipsis]

The last surviving member of the enola gay will be there getting praised for mass murder. Fucked up huh?

[Raúl Duke]

I've grown accustomed to that these kinds of fucked up things are normal in the U.S.A.

In Puerto Rico, I have my doubts they'll welcome this person openly.

[bcbm]

last time i went to a gun show there was a booth openly peddling nazi shit.

[Dr Mindbender]

last time i went to a gun show there was a booth openly peddling nazi shit.

what sort of nazi shit?

War memorabilia collectors often buy axis items, they arent necessarilly nazis.

[ellipsis]

I saw Nazi uniforms, helmets ensignia etc.

[Dr Mindbender]

I saw Nazi uniforms, helmets ensignia etc.

all of which sounds to me like WW2 surplus.

[ellipsis]

Uhh all Nazi shit is from WWII

[Ol' Dirty]

Nah, Red... Spanish Civil War.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

There is a pretty big market for WWII memorabilia, and it seems like most collectors are guys who spent their early 20s killin nazis.

How was the show overall?

[ellipsis]

Mac-What do you mean? But yes obviously some Nazi shit is from the 1930s.

The show was good except for that the dealers couldn't sell ammo, just one tent outside with hardly anything good. I wanted some commie mil surp for my ak. I did get a mac-90 stock for my ak.

[Dr Mindbender]

Uhh all Nazi shit is from WWII

not all of it.



http://www.nsm88.org/photos/jefferson_2008/img_0290.jpg


Other people collect nazi stuff cause they're morbid fuckers or history fanatics, not because they agree with Nazi-ism.

[spiltteeth]

When I wanna see a gun show I just flex in front of the mirror.

[Dr Mindbender]

When I wanna see a gun show I just flex in front of the mirror.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/77/DONOTWANT_picard.jpg

[Pirate Utopian]

Other people collect nazi stuff cause they're morbid fuckers or history fanatics, not because they agree with Nazi-ism.
Or bikers.

zKIhb-42iyE

[MilitantAnarchist]

Guns aren't cool...
Guns kill people... Well, people kill people, but you get my point... Go to more flower shows, or art shows, more fulfilling

And to the whole nazi gift shop thing... I dont think their are all that many non-white collectors of nazi stuff, if i saw a dude with a shopping trolley with a Luger, a pair jackboots, a SS uniform and a first edition of mein kampf in, I'm fairly sure that guy isn't gonna be a the chairman of the Barrack Obama fan club...

[The Douche]

Guns aren't cool...
Guns kill people... Well, people kill people, but you get my point... Go to more flower shows, or art shows, more fulfilling

And to the whole nazi gift shop thing... I dont think their are all that many non-white collectors of nazi stuff, if i saw a dude with a shopping trolley with a Luger, a pair jackboots, a SS uniform and a first edition of mein kampf in, I'm fairly sure that guy isn't gonna be a the chairman of the Barrack Obama fan club...

I'm going to assume you just don't know what a gun show is.

Its a large convention of gun dealers, where you can go to get very good deals on guns and ammo. Its not just like an art show where you look at them.

And no, I don't get your point.

[ellipsis]

not all of it.
I said nazi not neo-nazi, I was talking about things that Nazis, members of the third riech.

Guns aren't cool...
Guns kill people... Well, people kill people, but you get my point... Go to more flower shows, or art shows, more fulfilling

And to the whole nazi gift shop thing... I dont think their are all that many non-white collectors of nazi stuff, if i saw a dude with a shopping trolley with a Luger, a pair jackboots, a SS uniform and a first edition of mein kampf in, I'm fairly sure that guy isn't gonna be a the chairman of the Barrack Obama fan club...

No, guns are useful and fun to shoot for sport. But that wasn't the point of the post at all. I go to gardening symposiums, museums, etc. I even read books. Do not assume that because somebody does one thing, they are precluded from other interests.

Of course people who collect third reich silver spoons aren't revolutionaries or progressives. Nobody said anything of the sort.

[MaoTseHelen]

TRS, you sure it wasn't reenactment gear? I know a lot of comrades who're very much into WW2 reenactment, and nazi stuff is a dime a dozen compared to red army kits.

[ellipsis]

TRS, you sure it wasn't reenactment gear? I know a lot of comrades who're very much into WW2 reenactment, and nazi stuff is a dime a dozen compared to red army kits.

i am sure it was a mix, but I don't really keep up on the Nazi regalia scene so I wouldn't know.

[MaoTseHelen]

Just saying - Nazi **** might not be an immediate sign of actual right-wingers. Lot of people do reenactment like others do, for example, paintball.

[NecroCommie]

Just saying - Nazi **** might not be an immediate sign of actual right-wingers. Lot of people do reenactment like others do, for example, paintball.
Or like I do re-enactment airsoft. I have planned on collecting a nazi field gear, not because I am a nazi but because there are plenty of ww2 western front scenarios here.

I already have a DDR gear form the 80's, Spetsnaz gear from the second burn of chechenya, a chechen rebel gear, and Hizbollah-ish gear. Yet I am not a russian, german or a muslim.

[ellipsis]

I know that most people who collect to do it for reasons other than nazi sympathy, I still find it rather perturbing.

[MilitantAnarchist]

I'm going to assume you just don't know what a gun show is.

Its a large convention of gun dealers, where you can go to get very good deals on guns and ammo. Its not just like an art show where you look at them.

And no, I don't get your point.

See, i know you ment that as a good thing... and im sure you didnt get my point... That is my issue...

I guess i just come from a country without an obsession for guns, the only people packing here are farmers and criminals...

And since when have gun dealers been a good friend of the left? As a rule you would say that they are profiteers of death and war... And they aint no mate of mine

[Partizani]

I do reenacting (soviet and international brigade) and obviously not ALL WW2 Axis reenactors are Nazis but there are definatly some sympathisers unfortunatly.

[Искра]

I would like to have Mauser 98k from 1930's. Does that make me a Nazi? Or are historians which say that this is probably one of the best guns made ever - Nazis? Don't forget that all those weapons were made by working class, therefore they belong to working class. The fact that they were made in 3rd Reich doesn't make this different. And yeah, how would you make a revolution without guns? With molotovs and stones against army and police?

[Jazzratt]

I guess i just come from a country without an obsession for guns, the only people packing here are farmers and criminals...

Yeah. I feel just great that the only people with guns are either farmers or people who are prepared to shoot me. That thought doesn't give me the fucking willies at all.

Anyway, members of gun clubs in britain can own various weapons, although the places they can keep them and so on are ridiculously regulated. Oh yeah and getting into a gun club is expensive and involves a lot of copper snooping.

[The Douche]

See, i know you ment that as a good thing... and im sure you didnt get my point... That is my issue...

I guess i just come from a country without an obsession for guns, the only people packing here are farmers and criminals...

And since when have gun dealers been a good friend of the left? As a rule you would say that they are profiteers of death and war... And they aint no mate of mine

I am about as "obsessed" with guns as I am with reading books. I enjoy it, I am passionate about it, I have a collection, but it is far from an obsession.

Haha, you do realise that most guns made never kill anybody, and that most gun companies, and certainly most distributers do not sell to any government?

[GracchusBabeuf]

I guess i just come from a country without an obsession for guns, the only people packing here are farmers and criminals... http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200709/r173315_654960.jpg
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/images/0811-03.jpg
Seems like the fellows above disagrees with you.

[MaoTseHelen]

And since when have gun dealers been a good friend of the left? As a rule you would say that they are profiteers of death and war... And they aint no mate of mine

Name one leftist revolution in history. Now name their weapons. Now ask where they got them from.

Gun dealers are neutral ground; if the right insists on using them, we must too.

[ellipsis]

I would like to have Mauser 98k from 1930's. Does that make me a Nazi? Or are historians which say that this is probably one of the best guns made ever - Nazis? Don't forget that all those weapons were made by working class, therefore they belong to working class. The fact that they were made in 3rd Reich doesn't make this different. And yeah, how would you make a revolution without guns? With molotovs and stones against army and police?

I did see a KAR98. I have always wanted a luger. But not because nazis used them.

[Angry Young Man]

I said nazi not neo-nazi, I was talking about things that Nazis, members of the third riech.


No, guns are useful and fun to shoot for sport.

I hope you eat your killing. Otherwise, if your chief entertainment is hunting, either do it tribal style or move to the city

[#FF0000]

I would like to have Mauser 98k from 1930's.

I have one. Real talk

[ellipsis]

I have one. Real talk
Sweet!

I hope you eat your killing. Otherwise, if your chief entertainment is hunting, either do it tribal style or move to the city
I meant target shooting, like old propane tanks and picture of zombies.

[bcbm]

what sort of nazi shit?

War memorabilia collectors often buy axis items, they arent necessarilly nazis.

no like white power tshirts and bullshit like that.

[MilitantAnarchist]

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200709/r173315_654960.jpg
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/images/0811-03.jpg
Seems like the fellows above disagrees with you.

I assumed i wouldnt have to mention that the british army has guns... to me it seems pretty given...

I'm not saying guns dont exist in the UK or anything... but gun culture is part of america.... you can buy guns at Asda! (well, wal mart, but wal mart owns asda)

I just dont agree with guns, the whole arms trade is a fucking dirty capitalist wet dream that millions have/will/are dieing for, and it just seems that agreeing with all that is pretty shitty.

[bcbm]

I just dont agree with guns, the whole arms trade is a fucking dirty capitalist wet dream that millions have/will/are dieing for, and it just seems that agreeing with all that is pretty shitty.

the whole world is dirty and capitalist and i would prefer it if we didn't let them be the ones with all of the guns.

[Jazzratt]

the whole world is dirty and capitalist and i would prefer it if we didn't let them be the ones with all of the guns.

Let them keep their guns, we have moral superiority and you know which one will always win in a fight. :rolleyes:

[The Douche]

Does anybody else see the intense irony in somebody who is a "militant anarchist" with some sort of affinity for the fucking hostile brigade to be hating on private firearms ownership?

[ellipsis]

the whole world is dirty and capitalist and i would prefer it if we didn't let them be the ones with all of the guns.
this.

[Durruti's Ghost]

There is nothing inherently evil about guns--or any weapons that can be used for personal defense, for that matter--themselves. In fact, I would argue that their net effect may indeed be a positive one. Not for nothing was the revolver known as "the great equalizer".

[MilitantAnarchist]

I wouldnt call it intense irony.

Militancy doesnt just mean guns you know... One can have all sorts of fun with bats, machetes, molotovs, slingshots, and not forgetting the good old non-violent beauty called sabotage...

And yea the word is a dirty capitalist shithole, of course it is... but i'll be honest, i cant believe there is that many people in support of guns here....

[Pirate Utopian]

What the hell is a bat or a slingshot going to against a gun?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Guns guns guns guns guns guns guns guns guns guns

[MilitantAnarchist]

What the hell is a bat or a slingshot going to against a gun?


Its not gonna do anything against a gun, but that isn't my point. The chances of me getting into some kind of combat with some fucker with a gun isn't going to be pretty either way, but i'm not talking about self defence here, that guy said because my name here is 'MilitantAnarchist' i should, for some reason, love guns...

The way i see it, the state have guns and in an armed revolution, it isnt going to benefit anyone, it never has, just look at Afghanistan (not saying its revolutionary war, but the skirmishes have just seen hundreds of thousands dead) it's not exactly ideal is it?

And in the event of a revolution, if we are armed, the state would just drop a fuckin bomb on us. we wont need just a few pistols, your gonna need fighter jets and heat seeking missiles and all that shit. You aint gonna get them from WalMart or some gun dealer

Its better to win a war before you fight a war, you dont need guns for that, as soon as you arm yourself in the name of revolution the system will come down on you with all kinds of fucking crazy firepower before you even breath.... If your gonna fight, do it through ambush's and hijacking, then if you do need guns, use theirs....

This thread is about nazis at a gun show anyway... and i'm not gonna win an argument against anyone with set beliefs about guns, we should save this argument for another thread...

Cheers & Beers :reda:

[bcbm]

of course we should try to avoid armed conflict with our enemies as much as possible, but its absolute suicide to not be prepared for such an eventuality.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Supporting the disarment of the working class by the ruling class means you are a reactionary. End of.

[ellipsis]

This thread is about nazis at a gun show anyway... and i'm not gonna win an argument against anyone with set beliefs about guns, we should save this argument for another thread...
No the thread was about a mass murderer being honored at a gun show. But yes lets save the gun debate for another thread, of which there have already been some.
And I have guns, the state knows it and they haven't sent a predator drone against me yet. so they don't blow you up as soon as you arm yourself for revolution.


Supporting the disarment of the working class by the ruling class means you are a reactionary. End of.

This. I can't believe that most UK comrades have boughten into their totalitarian government's bullshit about gun control. They have disarmed the people and watch their every move. When the UK becomes airstrip one, I am not going to be swimming over with my ak.

[Искра]

Guns guns guns guns guns guns guns guns guns guns
this

fuck bats and motlotovs that's kid stuff
i wanna see some anarcho-syndicalist armed girl porn!

[ellipsis]

i wanna see some anarcho-syndicalist armed girl porn!

if only...

[spiltteeth]

On the subject, I dated a girl from Israel, she had photos of herself in uniform with some type of machine gun...................holy fucking shit was it hot

[MilitantAnarchist]

Supporting the disarment of the working class by the ruling class means you are a reactionary. End of.


I support the disarment of every class.

How the hell could arming a nation make it better! Yea big wow commies and anarchists get guns, but they'll also be nazis with guns and coppers with guns (every bobby, not just the armed response units). Thats not really gonna do anyone any good.


This. I can't believe that most UK comrades have boughten into their totalitarian government's bullshit about gun control.

I can't beleive its not butter :rolleyes:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I support the disarment of every class.

How the hell could arming a nation make it better! Yea big wow commies and anarchists get guns, but they'll also be nazis with guns and coppers with guns (every bobby, not just the armed response units). Thats not really gonna do anyone any good.


Thats ridiculous from lala land do you want to headbutt bullets out the way or do you want working class people to be able to defend themselves against scumbags such as gangsters who will get firearms no matter what. You support gun legislation you are supporting the ruling class disarming the working class. No hippy shit will be able to dilute that fact.

[MilitantAnarchist]

Thats ridiculous from lala land do you want to headbutt bullets out the way or do you want working class people to be able to defend themselves against scumbags such as gangsters who will get firearms no matter what. You support gun legislation you are supporting the ruling class disarming the working class. No hippy shit will be able to dilute that fact.

See that new thread i just made...

and also, you go on and on about this working class love... But I dont no ONE working class person that would support legalising guns, they dont want violence atall... people just want to live!

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Which isnt what happens if some gene pool fuck up shoots you with an illegal firearm or stamps on your face.

[Pawn Power]

the best gun is the gun app.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzoL-wQwio

[Chicano Shamrock]

^^^^^ That was amazing.

I have an authentic Nazi Flag from WW2. My fathers friend was a soldier in WW2 and before he passed he gave it to my pops. I would also love to get a Kar98 to go with the flag.

As for you UK guys falling for your governments propaganda so easily... :huh::huh::huh::confused::huh::crying:

[Axel1917]

The last surviving member of the enola gay will be there getting praised for mass murder. Fucked up huh?

This is not surprising, considering that gun owners over here in the USA are predominantly right-wing.

I have not been to a gun show in awhile, unfortunately. I will have to check when another one takes place not too far away from where I live. Sometimes I can find ammo cheaper at a gun show than internet sites have at times (I avoid buying anything at the gun shop/range I go to, as it is all overpriced; I just use the shooting range), so that is fine with me.

I did get some 1950's production Yugoslavian surplus 7.92X57mm ("8mm Mauser") ammunition earlier this year at a gun show for a good price, but the stuff has really hard primers and some rounds don't fire the first time for me. My Czech VZ-24 flawlessly goes through Romanian "8mm Mauser" ammo, though. Do other Mauser variants have problems shooting this ammo (I am assuming that the Yugoslavian M48 Mausers were designed for this stuff)?

Those gun shows are full of stuff I would like to own, but of course, with rent, car payments, etc. and a paltry US $36K/yr. income, I won't be getting any new toys anytime soon. :(

[ellipsis]

Fuck dude, I wish that I had that kind of income. I wish that I could help you with your Mauser problems. I've never heard of yugo ammo having faulty/ stiff primers. Guns like some ammo more than others.

[Axel1917]

Fuck dude, I wish that I had that kind of income. I wish that I could help you with your Mauser problems. I've never heard of yugo ammo having faulty/ stiff primers. Guns like some ammo more than others.

I am going to try to acquire an improved firing pin spring to remedy this problem, as it will apply more force than a standard Mauser firing pin spring. That 1950's Yugoslavian ammo seems to be the only plentiful surplus "8mm" ammo around, so I am willing to do a cheap modification to I can fire it flawlessly.

It is the 1950's Yugoslavian Mauser ammo that is known for the harder primers. The 1970's production stuff does not have this problem, but it is hard to find (I have not even seen any). The M75 sniper load from Yugoslavia does not have these issues either, but that stuff is harder to find and it is designed for the M76 sniper rifle.

The Romanian stuff is steel core and the only range open right now around where I live (indoor range) prohibits steel core ammo, hence my desire for the Yugoslavian stuff.

I will have more breathing space once my car is paid off (I owe around $7300 on it). I will also get bumped to $40K/yr next September as long as I acquire a Second Class C level boiler license I (even my current salary is rare for a janitor). New toys are not too far off the horizon for me.

*EDIT*

I guess I previously said "not anytime soon" because that waiting period for the raise is going to seem to take forever to pass. :D

[ellipsis]

Find an outdoor range, they are far preferable to indoor ones, which I disdain. Around me there is an unattended outdoor range on VT state land which is free to use and you can bring down whatever you want(propane tanks etc.) to shoot.

Good luck with the promotion. I don't know your circumstances so I am not judging, but why they fuck did you get so indepted on a car? I have always done pretty well with <$3000 cars, like used geo prisms. Again though I don't pretend to know your situation.

[Axel1917]

Find an outdoor range, they are far preferable to indoor ones, which I disdain. Around me there is an unattended outdoor range on VT state land which is free to use and you can bring down whatever you want(propane tanks etc.) to shoot.

I have found one, but it closes sometime soon. The only way to access it for the entire year is to do 18 hours per year of voluntary work at the range and be a good standing member of the NRA. It is the NRA bit that does not work out for me, as I have no intention of joining what is, in reality, a front group for the right-wing Republican Party.


Good luck with the promotion. I don't know your circumstances so I am not judging, but why they fuck did you get so indepted on a car? I have always done pretty well with <$3000 cars, like used geo prisms. Again though I don't pretend to know your situation.I drive over 40 miles a day just going to and from work (I live in a metropolitan area and I could only find work in a suburb), so I figured I would need a reliable vehicle. I finally ditched domestic cars (my previous vehicle was literally having some costly problem on a monthly basis for the last four months I had it) and decided to go with an efficient and reliable Toyota Corolla. The problems is that Toyotas are so good that they really retain their value. I was thinking I could get one that was three or four years old for a good price, but I then realized that a three year old Corolla only cost $3K less than a brand new one, so I just ended up buying a brand new one in the process. Admittedly, I am hell-bent on paying the vehicle off early, hence my money being drained on it - I am only supposed to be paying $223 a month for it, but I am paying $425 per month for it. But at this rate, I should have it paid off sometime in 2011 (spring at the latest) instead of the intended date of late 2013.

I did order a case of Yugoslavian 7.62X39mm ammunition to use at the indoor range. This stuff is brass cased, lead core, and totally non-magnetic. Of course, it has "corrosive" salts in the primers, so I will have to really clean my rifles after using the stuff. It was supposed to arrive yesterday, but the delivery came when I was not home (as usual), so I have to wait and see if they show up on Monday (if they don't, I will be forced to pick the package up at some UPS facility to avoid it being sent back to the shipper). Seriously, UPS almost always shows up when I am work. :(

I have installed a new firing pin spring in the VZ-24 Mauser. This should, in theory, set off the hard primers in that old Yugoslavian ammunition (it gives off 24 pounds of force as opposed to the 19 pounds of force from a factory Mauser firing pin spring).

[PRC-UTE]

What made you choose a Yugoslavian, Axel? The inexpensiveness of it?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I went to a gun show in Florida once. Interesting experience.

There was a dude selling Nazi flags there, as well. There was a lot of WW2 memorabilia shit there in general, though.

[ellipsis]

It is the NRA bit that does not work out for me, as I have no intention of joining what is, in reality, a front group for the right-wing Republican Party.

decided to go with an efficient and reliable Toyota Corolla.

I did order a case of Yugoslavian 7.62X39mm ammunition to use at the indoor range.

I have installed a new firing pin spring in the VZ-24 Mauser. This should, in theory, set off the hard primers in that old Yugoslavian ammunition (it gives off 24 pounds of force as opposed to the 19 pounds of force from a factory Mauser firing pin spring).
I know what you mean about the NRA.

Toyotas will do the job, I've had an echo and a geo prism which is the same car as a carolla/camry(?I can't keep them straight in my head) I didn't mean to give you shit, I just like to talk cars.

That Yugo is revolution ammo! It comes in sealed spam cans. I save all my good ammo and just shoot golden tiger and wolf out of my ak and sks.

Hopefully your gun will run smoother now.

[The Red Next Door]

i would like to go to a gun show.