View Full Version : Obama won the Nobel peace prize. WTH?
eyedrop
9th October 2009, 10:23
How could that happen?
FSL
9th October 2009, 10:27
He threatened to bomb the commitee if they didn't vote for him?
Pirate turtle the 11th
9th October 2009, 10:33
US troops probably made a detour to Switzerland on their way to Afghanistan.
Dimentio
9th October 2009, 10:39
Lets vote him Emperor of the Galaxy and give him supreme power! When he dies, we should vote him into the pantheon of world religion! :lol:
eyedrop
9th October 2009, 10:45
US troops probably made a detour to Switzerland on their way to Afghanistan. The peace prize is shared out in Norway btw.
Let's cheer for mr. step-up-the-war-in-Afganistan and his peace prize.
Spawn of Stalin
9th October 2009, 10:52
This is disgusting, but then, Gorbachev and Kissinger also won the prize, so he's in good company.
Nakidana
9th October 2009, 11:52
WTH indeed. This is a guy who stepped up the occupation of Afghanistan by sending 17000 additional troops into war. Peace prize? Ridiculous. :rolleyes:
punisa
9th October 2009, 11:52
First I had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April Fools day. Well, it's not, but it certainly is another "fool you" day today.
Comrades, English is not my first language - can somebody explain to me what does that word "peace" means? :rolleyes:
ZeroNowhere
9th October 2009, 12:02
Because it's the Nobel Peace Prize.
cleef
9th October 2009, 12:04
aha when your predecessor is george bush, you must come across as a saint
Revy
9th October 2009, 12:14
WTF indeed!
not that surprising though, the last person to win the Nobel War Prize was Martti Ahtisaari who supported the Iraq war.
Now we have someone here, Barack Obama, the President of the main imperialist superpower, currently in charge of three imperialist wars, two official (Iraq, Afghanistan) and one unofficial (Pakistan). yes, that's "peace".
Personally I think there should be a socialist Peace Prize to counter this BS.
Wanted Man
9th October 2009, 12:17
That's certainly surprising. I mean, of course it's going to be given to all sorts of imperialist "peacekeepers". But, say, Jimmy Carter had to work 20 years for it, personally intervening to broker all sorts of agreements. Obama has so far only increased troop levels and "given hope", whatever that may mean...
proudcomrade
9th October 2009, 12:19
If Metallica can win a Grammy, I guess Barack Obama can win a Nobel Peace Prize. *shrug*
Mowgli
9th October 2009, 12:23
Now we have someone here, Barack Obama, the President of the main imperialist superpower, currently in charge of three imperialist wars, two official (Iraq, Afghanistan) and one unofficial (Pakistan). yes, that's "peace".
Could you explain the Pakistan thing please, or post a link to info?
NecroCommie
9th October 2009, 12:26
Nobel prize isn't what it used to be... :rolleyes: Honestly, this can't be serious. During the last years the peace prize has gone to real hardcore "my way or no way"-dudes. It just so happens that they all have driven the agenda of the western world.
ZeroNowhere
9th October 2009, 12:31
If Metallica can win a Grammy, I guess Barack Obama can win a Nobel Peace Prize. *shrug* Heh. Obama is to peacemaking what U2 are to music?
Through empty words and promises the madman speaks
His lies go forth as law unto those who believe
Under dark commands he leads the way to a brighter day
Yet that day will never come
His day will come
Say the word and I will follow
Speak the truth I will believe
Cast not your shadow on my eyes
Open minds are lead astray
With the hope for a brighter day
Cast not your shadow on my heart
A promise made a promise kept
Remove the lie there's nothing left
Cast not your shadow of a promise
Nobel prize isn't what it used to be...You mean when Woodrow Wilson won it?
Revy
9th October 2009, 12:35
Could you explain the Pakistan thing please, or post a link to info?
There's the US military in Pakistan that goes in there and bombs villages on the excuse of "fighting the Taliban". the Pakistani government just rolls over and lets it happen even though that just makes their government seem even more illegitimate.
rebelmouse
9th October 2009, 13:24
this prize obviously lost sense and value, IF it had value anytime.
ev
9th October 2009, 16:04
Nobel peace prizes have now become a joke, they have lost all merit.
Stranger Than Paradise
9th October 2009, 16:08
The Nobel Peace Prize was always a competition between the imperialist capitalist warlords of society. No surprise here really.
Irish commie
9th October 2009, 16:30
i think that he was given it on the basis of persuing nucleur disrmament which is no bad thing.
But even so it is all we can expect from this capitalist world in which we live, we must remember that much of his support lies amongst the ruling class
Durruti's Ghost
9th October 2009, 16:33
Unfortunately, "nuclear disarmament" is often doublespeak for "ensuring we're the only ones with nukes."
Dimentio
9th October 2009, 16:35
Nuclear weapons is one of the reasons we haven't had a WWIII yet. Take away all nuclear weapons - which is probably unfeasible today - and we will start to see large-scale wars again.
manic expression
9th October 2009, 16:35
Yeah, I heard about this on the radio...you honestly couldn't make this stuff up. First Al Gore, now Obama. One thing's for sure: liberal imperialists love the smell of their own sh*t.
You mean when Woodrow Wilson won it?
Or Teddy "Big Stick" Roosevelt.
Rakhmetov
9th October 2009, 16:38
“War is Peace,” “Freedom is Slavery,” “Ignorance is Strength.”
I would add, “Lie is Truth."
http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts10092009.html
Mather
9th October 2009, 17:01
The Nobel 'Peace' Prize has rarely been given to anyone who has actually advanced peace.
Yet another example of the creeping use of 'doublethink' into contempory capitalist societies, where war criminals and mass murderers like Henry Kissenger, Anwar Sadat, Menachem Begin, Shimon Peres and Barak Obama are the 'peacemakers', usually of the wars they started themselves.
RadioRaheem84
9th October 2009, 17:22
All he did was give a couple of speeches at the UN. In fact, I think it was just one! He's only been in office for nine months, gives a couple of speeches on nuclear disarmament and win the noble peace prize? What is this talk about easing tensions with Muslim nations and not acting unilaterally? He didn't ease anything. Afghanistan is a huge mess and Iraq is too!
I am so sick of this guy. The love affair has to stop!
Kassad
9th October 2009, 17:31
Only in this capitalist world can someone who sends more troops to Afghanistan, continues assaulting Iraq, bombs inside Pakistan, supports the occupation of Palestine and threatens military intervention in Korea and Iran be called 'peaceful.'
BogdanV
9th October 2009, 18:24
If Orwell could've seen this... Doublethink at its best !
War is peace...
Now seriously, who the fuck would even remotely take this seriously ? This mess can hardly be taken as serious, regardless of political spectrum. Even the US officials declared they weren't expecting it. (although this could be very well acted upon)
Dimentio
9th October 2009, 18:41
In 1939, they were about to give Hitler the Nobel Peace Price.
NecroCommie
9th October 2009, 18:45
Is that a fact or am I just unable to detect the sarcastic tone through internet?
Dimentio
9th October 2009, 18:48
Erik Brandt, a Swedish nobel committee member, proposed Adolf Hitler for the peaceful solution of the Sudetenland crisis.
RadioRaheem84
9th October 2009, 19:07
That was a joke by Brandt, like the Danish cartoon jokes. He was not serious.
What's frightening is that Obama's win is serious. This leads me to believe that most of the awards out there given by the West aren't serius. I already gave up on the Arts; Academy Awards and junk.
cyu
9th October 2009, 19:57
This leads me to believe that most of the awards out there given by the West aren't serius. I already gave up on the Arts; Academy Awards and junk.
"Henry Kissinger's role in the Cambodian genocide, Chile, and East Timor, makes him a first class war criminal, arguably at least in the class of Hitler's Foreign Minister Joachim Von Ribbentrop, hanged in 1946. But Kissinger has the impunity flowing naturally to the leaders and agents of the victorious and dominant power. He gets a Nobel Peace prize, is an honored member of national commissions, and is a favored media guru and guest at public gatherings."
- Prof Edward Herman, Univ of Pennsylvania
pierrotlefou
9th October 2009, 20:27
Sad. The prize has always been doled out to those who don't deserve it but it's still disheartening to hear any of those people receive an award for "peace"
This made me drop my opinion on the Nobel prize...
Mather
9th October 2009, 20:58
This made me drop my opinion on the Nobel prize...
Not me, because the Noble 'Peace' Prize was never that high in my opinion.
It was, is and will forever be a big pile of shit.
Rjevan
9th October 2009, 21:16
This is so ridiculous and pathetic! "Oh hey, it's Obama, let's give him the Nobel Price for bringing peace, justice, freedom, democracy, the word of the Lord, the internet and hamburgers to the world! Hm, you still ask why? Well, it's OBAMA, that's why!"
In the news they said it was because "the great visions he has and shares with the world in his speeches!"... I also have visions (especially if I drank too much) and I'm pretty sure I could also share them with the world, holding solemn speeches about communism and what a happy and nice world a communist world would be. Hey, does this mean I qualify for a nobel price, too? :D
In 1939, they were about to give Hitler the Nobel Peace Price.
So what? Infidel, don't you see the great visions this great man had about a beautiful Aryan world?!
DecDoom
9th October 2009, 21:17
Well, they also gave the prize to the Dalai Lama and Kissinger, so Obama's not much of a shock. Still, it's rather surprising how soon they gave him the award.
cb9's_unity
9th October 2009, 21:19
After Jimmy Carter and now Barrack Obama, it is pretty clear that the nobel prize is now the Wolds Sexiest Liberal award. Hillery and Pelosi are duking it out for next years award.
Even people who are in total support of Obama should be surprised by this. The guy has barely been in the position to create peace and hasn't really taken advantage of the opportunities he's gotten.
CELMX
9th October 2009, 21:20
LOL! you should look on fox news...(damn, so full of imbeciles)...it's the headline...
www foxnews com/politics/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-obama-embarrassment-process-expert-says/
please replace spaces w/ dots ( i only have 17 posts)
Manifesto
9th October 2009, 21:22
Ironic that he won this the day after my teacher showed me the Saturday Night sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5Kl38fSVY). Not even the others in my class that love Obama think that he should win that.
CELMX
9th October 2009, 21:32
That is a hilarious video!:lol: thanks!
yeah, none of the liberals i know supported that either...
spiltteeth
9th October 2009, 21:39
I honestly am...speechless. At least the Dali Lama and Kisinger had a mountain of lies to support their nominations, but Obama?
How can the world stand this hypocrisy!
Imagine what the Afghani's are feeling like right now!
In fact here is a visual approximation of the Iranian, Pakistani, and Afghani's reaction:
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/cookie-monster-wtf-is-this.jpg
JimmyJazz
9th October 2009, 22:48
Alfred Nobel's greatest accomplishment is not the Peace Prize anyway:
"DYNAMITE! Of all the good stuff, that is the stuff! Stuff several pounds of this sublime stuff into an inch pipe...plug up both ends, insert a cap with a fuse attached, place this in the immediate vicinity of a lot of rich loafers who live by the sweat of other people's brows, and light the fuse. A most cheerful and gratifying result will follow. In giving dynamite to the downtrodden millions of the globe science has done its best work..." —from Alarm, 21 February 1885
Heh.
Os Cangaceiros
9th October 2009, 22:58
Alfred Nobel's greatest accomplishment is not the Peace Prize anyway:
"DYNAMITE! Of all the good stuff, that is the stuff! Stuff several pounds of this sublime stuff into an inch pipe...plug up both ends, insert a cap with a fuse attached, place this in the immediate vicinity of a lot of rich loafers who live by the sweat of other people's brows, and light the fuse. A most cheerful and gratifying result will follow. In giving dynamite to the downtrodden millions of the globe science has done its best work..." —from Alarm, 21 February 1885
Heh.
Haha, that reminds me of a statement at the end of the work referenced in my signature: "TO ANARCHY BY DYNAMITE!" :lol:
Jethro Tull
9th October 2009, 23:02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates#Laureates
Is there any one of these individuals who isn't a capitalist douchebag?
JimmyJazz
9th October 2009, 23:26
It occurs to me that we probably shouldn't post quotes by dead anarchists about the virtues of dynamite in threads with the president's name in the title. I don't think federal agents have the best sense of humor.
spiltteeth
9th October 2009, 23:26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates#Laureates
Is there any one of these individuals who isn't a capitalist douchebag?
Henry Dunant
Bertha von Suttner
Jane Addams
Albert Schweitzer
Linus Pauling
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Mother Teresa
Desmond Tutu
Rigoberta Menchú
Nelson Mandela
Dimentio
10th October 2009, 00:00
Haha, that reminds me of a statement at the end of the work referenced in my signature: "TO ANARCHY BY DYNAMITE!" :lol:
Alfred Nobel wanted a promise from all the world's leaders to never use his invention in war.
apawllo
10th October 2009, 03:45
If Metallica can win a Grammy, I guess Barack Obama can win a Nobel Peace Prize. *shrug*
hey, obama has one of those too. i bet they'll look nice together on the white house mantel
spiltteeth
10th October 2009, 03:48
Someone just told me he was nominated just 14 days into his presidency!
eyedrop
10th October 2009, 03:57
As an intersting addition one of the folks in the nobel commitè is a member of the party that demonstrated against wars in Iraq and Afganistan.
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/519/519640/3_150127250_960_1196324106.jpg
"Men SVs stortingsrepresentant Hallgeir H. Langeland er klar i budskapet. Og han sier han skal delta i demonstrasjonen."
"But SV Parliament member Hallgeir H. Langeland is clear in his message. And he says he shall participate in the demonstration."
When will politicians stop being such hyppocrites.
Jethro Tull
10th October 2009, 05:03
Henry Dunant
maybe not a douchebag, but felt the best was to alleviate suffering was to collaborate and compromise with the ruling class. to my knowledge never used his celebrity to advance the cause of class-conflict, correct me if i'm wrong. his legacy is an ngo.
Bertha von Suttner
i don't know if she was a douchebag but she was a professional activist and social darwinist who devoted all of her energy towards writing against all forms of violence (including the self-defense of the oppressed) building up the "peace movement", a.k.a. the class-mediationists who call for increased cooperation between imperialists.
Jane Addams
a "protest candidate" politician like ralph nader, not someone i'd say was necessarily on our side.
Albert Schweitzer
schweitzer's theological ideas are interesting but from what i understand he was awarded the nobel peace prize for various missionary projects. a benign imperialist, maybe?
Linus Pauling
point taken, however, could oppenheimer, who was more radical, have won the award?
Martin Luther King, Jr.
point taken, however, could he have won the same award in 1967?
Mother Teresa
fuck no.
Desmond Tutu
a self-appointed leader of the south african anti-imperialist movement who generally works to pacify resistance, collaborate with the ruling class, etc.
Rigoberta Menchú
point possibly taken, i'm not that familiar with her work. does it simply denounce counter-revolutionary excess or actually propose an alternative that's likely to improve people's lives?
Nelson Mandela
see desmond tutu.
spiltteeth
10th October 2009, 06:01
I'm not suggesting they are revolutionaries, or even on the Left, but they are not 'capitalist pricks.'
Jane Adams actively fed, clothed, and housed people. Same with Mother Teresa. Just because they didn't seek to overthrow capitalism shouldn't detract from there achievements in peace.
Desmond Tutu is an incredible guy, a gay activist, fighting for the poor, etc
Schweitzer saved literally thousands of lives, bringing health care and medicine to people the world had forgotten.
I don't get my revolutionary theory from these guys, but I think they are all great humanitarians.
Pawn Power
10th October 2009, 14:29
Indeed, the first prerequisite to receive a "peace" prize should be that you are not actively bombing people.
Then again, this is reality. Kissinger and Woodrow Wilson got it and Hitler was even nominated for the prize in 1938. Him and Gandhi, what a year.
Jethro Tull
10th October 2009, 15:28
I'm not suggesting they are revolutionaries, or even on the Left, but they are not 'capitalist pricks.'
maybe not pricks, but celebrities who use their power to further the development of capitalism in some way, hence why they're being honored by the sime prize that views wislon, roosevelt, kissinger, obama et. al representatives of "peace".
Jane Adams actively fed, clothed, and housed people. Same with Mother Teresa.read between the lines. prisons feed, clothe, and house people.
Just because they didn't seek to overthrow capitalism shouldn't detract from there achievements in peace.but "peace" in this context means
a) improved diplomatic relations between the capitalist state.
b) aleviating the contradictions of capitam (in other words, "giving back" to improve relations between classes) and/or using the donation resources of a small portion of the bourgeoisie to preserve human capital. (under the capitalist "charity"-bureauceacies of folks such as teresa there is as much freedom and dignity as in a white-collar office job)
Desmond Tutu is an incredible guy, a gay activist, fighting for the poor, etcbut he uses his fame to suggest false solutions for gays, the poor, etc.
Schweitzer saved literally thousands of lives, bringing health care and medicine to people the world had forgotten.do you think the people who lived in those places didn't have systems of medicine before the white man came to built hospitals?
I don't get my revolutionary theory from these guys, but I think they are all great humanitarians.humanitarianism that doesn't operate in reality can be harmful, not to be dogmatic.
Monkey Riding Dragon
10th October 2009, 18:09
Few of the comments here have fully expressed the imperialist nature of the prize itself.
While I don't agree with a lot of their positions, I think the World Socialist Web Site recently offered the best overall summation of the situation I've yet had the opportunity to read (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/oct2009/pers-o10.shtml). I'll point out a few highlights below:
(Boldings mine for emphasis on key points.)
Obama appeared in the Rose Garden in the mid-morning to deliver remarks that began with a declaration that he was “surprised and deeply humbled” to receive the Peace Prize. He then marched back into the White House to meet with his war council and discuss sending tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan and escalating the bombing in that country and across the border in Pakistan.
....
The Nobel Peace Prize is, and always has been, a political award given with the aim of promoting definite policies.
The selection was made by a committee composed of five members of the Norwegian parliament drawn from the main parties, ranging from the far-right to the social democrats. Its decisions reflect positions prevailing within the European ruling elite as a whole.
Thorbjorn Jagland, the committee’s chairman and a former Norwegian prime minister, defended the choice of Obama in an interview with the New York Times Friday, expressing the cynicism underlying the choice. “It’s important for the committee to recognize people who are struggling and idealistic, but we cannot do that every year,” he said. “We must from time to time go into the realm of realpolitik.”
Realpolitik doubtless played the decisive role in the recent selection of two other prominent American politicians for the prize: Carter in 2002 and Al Gore in 2007. Carter was picked on the eve of the US war against Iraq in a rebuke to the belligerent unilateralism of the Bush administration. The prize went to Gore, the Democratic presidential candidate in 2000, in advance of the 2008 election, a not-so-subtle hint that Europe wanted a break from the Bush administration.
While in those years the prize was employed as a critique of US foreign policy, this time it represents an endorsement. As Jagland put it, “We hope this can contribute a little bit to enhance what he is trying to do.”
The glaring contradiction in giving the peace prize to Obama as he prepares to send more troops into Afghanistan is more apparent than real. The award is meant to legitimize Washington’s escalation in Afghanistan, its attacks on Pakistan and its continued occupation of Iraq, giving them Europe’s seal of approval as wars for peace.
It serves to undermine popular opposition within the United States and internationally to the wars being waged under the Obama administration, as well as to future ones still being planned.
The European powers support the war in Afghanistan, a position that is more frequently finding its expression in the press. The British daily Independent, for example, published an editorial Thursday declaring that it “in principle” supports the call for sending as many as 40,000 more US troops into the war.
Meanwhile, Germany, France and other countries have shifted their positions on Iran as well, backing Washington’s campaign for tougher measures.
What ruling circles in Europe see in Obama is not a champion of peace, but rather a shift away from the unilateralism of the Bush administration and a willingness to factor European support into the pursuit of US imperialism’s strategic aims.
No doubt, Europe’s governments calculate that their backing of the US military interventions will translate into a stake in the exploitation of the energy reserves of Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.
Raúl Duke
10th October 2009, 18:45
Personally I think there should be a socialist Peace Prize to counter this BS.
I think there used to be one when the USSR was around. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_Peace_Prize)
noway
10th October 2009, 18:55
awful isnt
noway
10th October 2009, 18:59
they are all the same ...awful
The Red Next Door
10th October 2009, 20:42
this prize obviously lost sense and value, IF it had value anytime.
It was after all named after someone who created something called dytimatic
The Red Next Door
10th October 2009, 20:44
Yeah, i was sort of like that? but what can you do. but at least admitted our countries worst mistakes
Glenn Beck
10th October 2009, 21:16
He deserves it less than Kissinger. At least Kissinger had the decency to show up to the negotiations that ended the war he started. Obama has just escalated troop levels in Afghanistan to the point that there are now more foreign troops there than there ever were during the USSR's occupation.
Dr Mindbender
10th October 2009, 21:23
i doubt he would have won it had his predecessor not been such a warmongering fuck.
He looks a saint by comparison only.
spiltteeth
10th October 2009, 22:18
=Jethro Tull;1566745]maybe not pricks, but celebrities who use their power to further the development of capitalism in some way, hence why they're being honored by the sime prize that views wislon, roosevelt, kissinger, obama et. al representatives of "peace".
read between the lines. prisons feed, clothe, and house people.
Jane adams did not set up prisons for the poor.
but "peace" in this context means
a) improved diplomatic relations between the capitalist state.
b) aleviating the contradictions of capitam (in other words, "giving back" to improve relations between classes) and/or using the donation resources of a small portion of the bourgeoisie to preserve human capital. (under the capitalist "charity"-bureauceacies of folks such as teresa there is as much freedom and dignity as in a white-collar office job)
but he uses his fame to suggest false solutions for gays, the poor, etc.
Ok. Next time I see a homeless guy starving on the street, I won't give him anything, because it would be a false solution and would only seek to alleviate the contradictions of capitalism. Instead I'll give them a copy of Marx and tell him he can eat after the revolution.
Really, Mother Teresa, with her vast knowledge of sociological theory, should have known better.
do you think the people who lived in those places didn't have systems of medicine before the white man came to built hospitals?
Not to deal with all the diseases the invention of travel brought to them. What would u say? "You're medicine is good enough! If you haven't invented antibiotics too bad!"
humanitarianism that doesn't operate in reality can be harmful, not to be dogmatic.
Hey, lets go to India and take back all that food, unless of course they promise to take part in revolutionary activity.
Jethro Tull
10th October 2009, 23:34
Jane adams did not set up prisons for the poor.
but she sought to reintegrate them into productive society. that's the purpose of most capitalist "charity".
Ok. Next time I see a homeless guy starving on the street, I won't give him anything, because it would be a false solution and would only seek to alleviate the contradictions of capitalism. Instead I'll give them a copy of Marx and tell him he can eat after the revolution.
setting up soup kitchens to alleviate the suffering of those among us experiencing extreme hunger is, in my opinion, one of the primary tactics we should be focusing on.
however, i also recognize that such tactic is a tactic of war. we act in such a way to help others, to make their lives better, but also to communicate and build relationships with them. the capitalists recognize the same thing.
Really, Mother Teresa, with her vast knowledge of sociological theory, should have known better.
plenty of people have had no knowledge of "sociological theory", whatever that is, and have still committed acts of daring resistance. also, teresa was obviously very intelligent, your excuse is kinda lime....
Not to deal with all the diseases the invention of travel brought to them. What would u say? "You're medicine is good enough! If you haven't invented antibiotics too bad!"
you're approaching the issue morally not pragmatically. as long as the imperialists control the production and distribution of antibiotics, the oppressed and colonized masses are dependent upon them for survival.
Hey, lets go to India and take back all that food
are you insinuating that the "undeveloped" or "third world" is supported by the charity of the "developed" or "first world"? this is a very common lie...however, the exact opposite is true, the masses of the world are providing the labor and materials to subsidize and support those with lifestyles of high material development.
unless of course they promise to take part in revolutionary activity.
the absudity of this comment is that we, as in the revolutionaries in countries other than india, are not giving the indians any food, and those who are giving people food, indian or otherwise, have no interest in revolution.
spiltteeth
11th October 2009, 00:11
As I was about to enter a cabaret, a beggar held out his cap to me, with one of those unforgettable gazes that
would cause thrones to tumble, if spirit could move matter, and if the eye of a hypnotist could make grapes
ripen. At the same time, I heard a voice whispering in my ear, a voice that I well recognized: it was that of
the good Angel, or good Devil, who accompanies me everywhere. Since Socrates had his good Demon, why
shouldn't I have my good Angel, and why shouldn't I have the honor, like Socrates, of obtaining my own certificate
of insanity, signed by the subtle Lelut and the well-advised Baillarge? There is a difference between
Socrates' Demon and my own, and that is that Socrates' only appeared to him to forbid, warn, and prevent,
whereas mine deigns to offer council, suggest, and persuade. Poor Socrates only had a prohibitive Demon;
mine is a great affirmer, mine is a Demon of action, a Demon of combat. Now, his voice whispered this:
"He alone is equal to another who proves it, and he alone is worthy of liberty who knows how to conquer it."
I immediately leaped upon the beggar. With a single punch I gave him a black eye, which became in a second as
big as a ball. I tore one of my nails breaking two of his teeth, and since I didn't feel strong enough--having
been born delicate and being little practiced in boxing--to beat this old man to death quickly, I seized him with
one hand by the collar of his jacket and with the other I grabbed his throat, and I began to bang his head against
the wall vigorously. I must admit that I had previously inspected the area with a quick glance and that I had
verified that i would find myself, in this deserted suburb, out of the reach of any police officer for a fairly long
period of time. Having then knocked down this weakened sexagenarian with a kick in the back, energetic enough
to have broken his shoulder-blades, I seized a big tree limb that was lying on the ground and I beat him with
it with the obstinate energy of a cook who wants to tenderize a steak. Suddenly,--Oh delight of the philosopher
who verifies the excellence of this theory!--I saw that ancient carcass turn, stand up with an energy that I
would never have expected to find in so singularly broken-down a machine, and, with a look of hatred that
seemed to me a good omen, the decrepit ruffian threw himself upon me, blackened both of my eyes, broke four
of my teeth, and with the same tree branch beat me to a bloody pulp. Through my energetic medicine, I had
returned to him his pride and his life...Then I made him numerous signs to let him understand
that I considered the discussion ended, and getting up with all of the satisfaction of a Stoic philosopher, I said
to him: "Sir, you are my equal! Do me the honor of sharing my purse with me; and remember, if you are really
a philanthropist, that you must apply to all of your brothers, when they ask you for alms, the theory that
I had the sorrow of testing out on your back."
He swore to me that he had understood my theory, and that he would obey my advice.
Let's beat up the Poor! - Charles Baudelaire
Comrade Anarchist
11th October 2009, 00:29
This is 1 of 2 things.
1. They thought he deserved it and are so enamered with his bullshit that they can not see clearly
2. They are trying to make him rethink torturing people and escalating war in afghanistan and starting war with iran. In turn pressuring him to not turn into bush
but these are the same people who nominated arafat so im going for number 1
Glenn Beck
11th October 2009, 01:07
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Il Medico
11th October 2009, 01:54
Obama won the Nobel Prize? Must have been for the troop increase in Afghanistan. Which begs the question, where the fuck is Bush's prize for the Iraqi surge???? *Shakes fist at Nobel committee*
Tatarin
11th October 2009, 05:10
I've never followed the Nobel prize takings, and I probably never will. Quite frankly, they can take and showe the prize deep up in their wasteholes. Hell, the cost of one such dinner could feed thousands of starving people.
They go around and pride themselves for making the world better. Better? Suddenly, we find ourselves in a "crisis". Millions of people are fired from their jobs. Plunderous wars plague the world. Poisoning of people and environment. Rights being thrown out the window. Better!? How the hell is it better now?
Instead of getting prizes they ought to go out and actually DO PEACE BEFORE GETTING THE PEACE PRIZE!
It's just another rotten ceremony like all ceremonies produced by and for the ruling classes. Melt that gold and use it for computers or something instead.
La Comédie Noire
11th October 2009, 06:37
If I honestly had to pick someone to win the Nobel Peace Prize it would be the Iraqi Journalist who whipped his shoes at Bush. He represents an oppressed nation's outrage at an audacious war. It was a desperate action made in exasperation that represents the desire for peace.
Dimentio
11th October 2009, 09:30
I must admit that I sometimes feel that to create peace, one needs first to eliminate all powers that prosper from the status quo.
Stranger Than Paradise
11th October 2009, 09:58
Looking at the list that of winners it is a very American-centric award. And looking over the names it begs the question why did Bush not win it for invadin Iraq if Obama got it for sending more troops to Afghanistan, and why didn't Lyndon Johnson win it for invading Vietnam, or Harry Truman for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki? If you want to make a competition of war-mongering american emperors then why not pick some of the best.
Pawn Power
11th October 2009, 15:39
see desmond tutu.
Mandela sought to pacify resistance? He was planing for guerrilla war before he was locked up!?
Mindtoaster
12th October 2009, 06:30
i doubt he would have won it had his predecessor not been such a warmongering fuck.
He looks a saint by comparison only.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/toons/Brucex11.jpg
Communist
13th October 2009, 18:21
Fight Back! article on this travesty...
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The Nobel Peace Prize: Rewarding Peace Among the Great Powers (http://www.fightbacknews.org/2009/10/12/nobel-peace-prize-rewarding-peace-among-great-powers)
Commentary by Naomi Nakamura
October 12, 2009
When I heard that the Nobel Peace Prize had been awarded to President Barack Obama, I was shocked. I know that most of my friends and family had voted for Obama in hope of a change from Bush. But what had President Obama done to deserve a peace prize? The United States is still occupying Iraq with more than one hundred thousand troops. Obama is increasing the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan and his escalation of the war is taking a growing toll on the lives of the Afghan people and U.S. troops. In 2002 in awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, the committee noted the contrast with the Bush administration's war in Afghanistan and build-up to invade Iraq. So how can they now award the peace prize to a President who is fighting the same two wars?
I think that the all-Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize committee is rewarding President Obama for his turn away from Bush's unilateral foreign policy that alienated European allies, towards a more multilateral approach that embraces the European powers. President Sarkozy of France, a country that had led opposition to the invasion of Iraq in the United Nations, praised the award saying that it reflected "America's return to the hearts of the world's people's." European governments have been gladdened by the Obama administration's embrace of the need to fight global warming, as well as the "resetting" of relations with Russia, which has reduced tensions in Europe. Obama's emphasis on the war in Afghanistan over Iraq also reflects a multilateral approach where European NATO troops are fighting alongside the United States, in contrast to Iraq where Britain was the only European power to send troops.
The problem is that making peace with European powers does not mean peace for the world’s people. The same European powers that the U.S. is re-embracing under Obama are themselves former colonial powers with a long history of imperial military interventions in other countries. In terms of U.S. policy towards the Third World, the United States is preparing for more wars. The total military budget has increased under Obama from what the Bush administration was spending. The United States is increasing its military involvement in conflicts around the world, from trying to set up military bases in Colombia where the struggle of the FARC guerillas continues to sending troops in the wake of natural disasters in the Philippines (http://fightbacknews.org/2009/10/6/philippine-progressive-forces-urge-disaster-assistance) where there is a growing insurgency of the NPA (New People’s Army).
In 1967, the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., who had received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1965 for his leadership in the U.S. civil rights movement, spoke out against the war in Vietnam (http://fightbacknews.org/2003winter/mlkpeace.htm). In doing so, he took a stand against a U.S. president, Lyndon Johnson, who had perhaps done more for civil and economic rights than any other single president. Under pressure from the struggle of African American people who inspired Chicanos, workers, students, and others into mass struggle, Johnson signed the Civil Rights act, started Medicare and Medicaid to provide health services for the elderly and poor, and began Head Start, an educational program aimed at low-income preschool children. But King realized that he had to speak out against what he called "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today – my own government." We need to have the same spirit and courage of King to raise our voices against the war in Afghanistan, the occupation of Iraq, and the military build-up that is putting the United States on the path to even more wars in the future.
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spiltteeth
14th October 2009, 05:38
Looking at the list that of winners it is a very American-centric award. And looking over the names it begs the question why did Bush not win it for invadin Iraq if Obama got it for sending more troops to Afghanistan, and why didn't Lyndon Johnson win it for invading Vietnam, or Harry Truman for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki? If you want to make a competition of war-mongering american emperors then why not pick some of the best.
Kissinger won.
Stranger Than Paradise
14th October 2009, 16:01
Kissinger won.
That is true. He was a truly despicable human being.
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