Will there be war in Iran?

[GPDP]

I've had such uneasy feelings for a while, but I always reassured myself that, with the U.S. bogged down in both Iraq and Afghanistan, they wouldn't be that stupid.

Following recent developments, and how they almost mirror the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, however, has made me realize they really might be that stupid.

I'm unsure of what the consequences of an invasion of Iran would truly be. I can't begin to fathom the costs. It's almost surreal that this might actually happen.

Will it really? Will the U.S. bog itself down in a THIRD war?

[Revy]

I asked the same question here recently. I have the same impression as you do.

think about how both Iraq and Afghanistan border Iran. Obama said in 2004 during his Senate campaign that he would support missile strikes on Iran if they didn't give up their nuclear program.
I don't see how such a scenario would not equal war.

Remember this is the same Obama that said a war with Pakistan might be necessary during his presidential campaign. one of the things he said consistently during that campaign was that he would "prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression". Yeah, this is supposedly the far-left socialist we got:rolleyes:

[spiltteeth]

YES! Donald Rumsfeild, at the end of Bush's*term, said he thought that there would have been an invasion of Iran had it not been for all the anti-war sentiment.
Of course, the US can, and is, use Israel to do their dirty work for them. Israel a few weeks ago had a major military drill, implying something may go down "soon."
America IS in 3 wars - Iraq, Afghanistan, and (unofficially) Pakistan.

[rebelmouse]

if they speak 3-5 years against someone in mass media, as they speak already 5 years against Iran, it means they plan to attack that country.
media propaganda has aim to prepare western people for war, with aim that not so many of them will demonstrate if media succeed to convince people that blabla of imperialists is the "truth". of course, media hide that ruling class in Iran will not be damaged in war, than ordinary people who are bombarded.
as we know: Milosevic survived bombarding, Husein survived, etc. only ordinary people died in war (Husein was executed later). rich people send their children abroad during war, so they don't die. western embassies give them visa to escape from war, but poor people don't get visa and they die.
and I must mention, saudi arabia has similar law and position of women and breaking of human rights like Iran, but nobody speaks against Saudi because they cooperate with US business.
all wars are against those who didn't let American capital to come in in the market (Milosevic made privatisation for himself and his political party friends, now nobody bombard us because new government made everything good for western capital).

[Kukulofori]

Seems to me like they're going for a pro-west colour revolution angle rather than an all-out war. If you want to build support for the west flying westerners in to kill everyone is probably a bad way to do it.

[Dimentio]

Seems to me like they're going for a pro-west colour revolution angle rather than an all-out war. If you want to build support for the west flying westerners in to kill everyone is probably a bad way to do it.

They tried that and it failed.

If I was a western imperialist leader, and sought to strike out Iran as a geo-political competitor, I would not have opted for a long occupation. Too expensive and too risky. I would have given each Iranian province independence and an own flag to wave and then given the power to some kind of localised elite which is brought up with corruption to make them docile of the west. But that means Iran's current leadership has to be militarily defeated.

Now I don't sympathise with any such aims. But that would be the logical thing to do as a western imperialist.

[FSL]

and I must mention, saudi arabia has similar law and position of women and breaking of human rights like Iran, but nobody speaks against Saudi because they cooperate with US business.


To be honest, I haven't looked in the human rights condition in Saudi Arabia, but as for Iran things aren't as bad as media and the random e-mails would have you believe. Other than the Shiite muslims there are also Sunni muslims, Zoroastrians, Christians and Jews leaving there and all religious minorities are guaranteed representation in the parliament. If human rights were the issue, many countries should be before Iran on the to-invade list.

[Andropov]

Wether there is a war or not with Iran dont be as naive to think that it would be a "stupid" decision.
Every war benefits someone and those who decide to go to war will only go war if it benefits their interests.

[Mather]

If I was a western imperialist leader, and sought to strike out Iran as a geo-political competitor, I would not have opted for a long occupation. Too expensive and too risky. I would have given each Iranian province independence and an own flag to wave and then given the power to some kind of localised elite which is brought up with corruption to make them docile of the west. But that means Iran's current leadership has to be militarily defeated.

Now I don't sympathise with any such aims. But that would be the logical thing to do as a western imperialist.


That is already happening to some extent now.

In the province of Sistan and Balochistan in the far east of Iran, there exists a separatist movement called Jundallah (People Resistance Movement of Iran).

Jundallah was formed in 2003, about the same time that the western imperialist countries started to turn their eyes to Iran, after having invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq. Besides the Iranian government, many security analysts and journalists have concluded that Jundallah may well be part of a US led 'black ops' strategy in Iran, to try and weaken or destroy Iran from within. It is alleged that Jundallah recieves weapons, money, training and intelligence from the US, UK, Israel, Pakistan, Oman and Saudi Arabia, each country having a vested interest in seeing a weakend Iran.

Jundallah is a sunni islamist organisation and claims to represent the sunni far eastern part of Iran. It has also been reported that Jundallah has links to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, with the former top ranking Al-Qaeda member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed allegedly leading the group for a while. One visible similarity between Al-Qaeda and Jundallah is that both groups have bombed shia mosques and shia worshippers and that both groups also decapitate hostages which they then film and release onto the internet.

There is more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah

Just as the US armed, funded and trained Al-Qaeda and the Afghan 'Mujahideen' in their war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, we are now seeing that the US has not learnt from this and is now arming, training and funding yet another salafist islamist group to deal with yet another power (Iran) that US imperialism is in conflict with.

[Tifosi]

Don't think so. Iran may have the bomb and have a large army, the same reason that NATO won't attack North Korea. For the capitalist's it would be a good war, it would rage for years(a bit like Veitnam) The goverment would have buy all the stuff needed for war, they would earn a mint. They could then jump on the oil. Anyway Israel would attack Iran way before the west got on the case

[spiltteeth]

Iran doesn't have 'the bomb' and Israel is a puppet of the US, Donald Rumsfeld has already said they were seriously getting ready to invade Iran under Bush, weather the US does it or has Israel do it, they will put in their own little puppet government.
Colin Powell has already made his position known, he is all for invasion of Iran (and N. Korea too for that matter)

[Tifosi]

Iran doesn't have 'the bomb'

Not yet anyway

[Dimentio]

That is already happening to some extent now.

In the province of Sistan and Balochistan in the far east of Iran, there exists a separatist movement called Jundallah (People Resistance Movement of Iran).

Jundallah was formed in 2003, about the same time that the western imperialist countries started to turn their eyes to Iran, after having invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq. Besides the Iranian government, many security analysts and journalists have concluded that Jundallah may well be part of a US led 'black ops' strategy in Iran, to try and weaken or destroy Iran from within. It is alleged that Jundallah recieves weapons, money, training and intelligence from the US, UK, Israel, Pakistan, Oman and Saudi Arabia, each country having a vested interest in seeing a weakend Iran.

Jundallah is a sunni islamist organisation and claims to represent the sunni far eastern part of Iran. It has also been reported that Jundallah has links to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, with the former top ranking Al-Qaeda member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed allegedly leading the group for a while. One visible similarity between Al-Qaeda and Jundallah is that both groups have bombed shia mosques and shia worshippers and that both groups also decapitate hostages which they then film and release onto the internet.

There is more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah

Just as the US armed, funded and trained Al-Qaeda and the Afghan 'Mujahideen' in their war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, we are now seeing that the US has not learnt from this and is now arming, training and funding yet another salafist islamist group to deal with yet another power (Iran) that US imperialism is in conflict with.

Fun that al-Qaeda and USA seems to share the same prime enemies in the Middle East.