Israeli Tanks enter Gaza?

[Comrade Gwydion]

Reports are showing up on the internet that Israeli tanks are entering Gaza again.... now, I do not know if this is true, but does anyone know more about this?

(a source: http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=107982&sectionid=351020202 )

[SurrogateofTime]

Oh look, the Imperialist War Machine of the proxy state of Israel is yet again starting up and causing problems in Gaza... I'm just hoping for a victory for the brave Palestinian fighters myself.

[blake 3:17]

Fucking murderers. We should know more in the next day...

From a right wing Zionist site:
IDF Strikes Back at Gaza Terrorists Linked to al-Qaeda


by David Lev
Follow Israel news on http://www.israelnationalnews.com/images/logo-twitter.jpg (http://twitter.com/IsraelNewsStory) and http://www.israelnationalnews.com/images/logo-facebook.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/pages/IsraelNationalNews/102510354100).


(IsraelNN.com) http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/images/q_top.png
The Ansar Al-Suna terror group, affiliated with Al-Qaida, said earlier that its terrorists had fired at the Israeli workers.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/images/q_bottom.pngSources in Gaza said Tuesday night that the IDF fired seven mortar shells into the Sage'a neighborhood in central Gaza, injuring several Gaza Arabs. One of the injured was said by Gaza medical workers to be in critical condition, but the IDF has not confirmed the report.
The IDF said the shelling was in response to earlier shooting by Gaza Arab terrorists at Israeli workers who were conducting engineering work near the Gaza border fence. After the attack, IDF soldiers protecting the workers fired over the fence at the source of the shooting.
A short time later, Gaza Arab terrorists attempted to attack a second time. Three terrorists snuck up to an area near the security fence, positioning themselves to attack the Israeli workers. IDF soldiers again fired in the direction of the terrorists, but it was not clear if any were hit.
The Ansar Al-Suna terror group, affiliated with al-Qaeda, said earlier that its terrorists had fired at the Israeli workers.

The last IDF action against Gaza Arab terrorists occurred on Saturday night, when IDF planes attacked three targets in Gaza where rockets and other weapons for use against Israel were being manufactured. Two smuggling tunnels running from Sinai to Gaza were also destroyed.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133725

[bricolage]

Fuck.

[GPDP]

Bloodthirsty motherfuckers. Have they not had their fill of brutalizing defenseless people yet?

I'm almost certain they're doing it for sport now.

[the last donut of the night]

C'mon guys, cheer up. These articles are biased from the Left and people need to see the TRUTH in Israel. These brave and courageous men and women from the IDF are fighting for our freedom from terrorism and Islamic fascism. Precious Jewish babies are murdered every second by Palestinians. That's why we deserve to kill them all.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Seriously, in all reality, this is a murderous Zionist rampage against Palestinians. It is disgusting and an insult.



For a worker's state from the Jordan to the Mediterranean!

[gorillafuck]

Oh shit, any articles or reports besides this one yet?

Edit: I hope this doesn't turn into what happened in December/January....

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

*flips table over*

Oh here we go again!!!

[pierrotlefou]

They have been more defiant against the wishes of the US as of late. They keep building into Palestinian territory and now they're back again for Massacre: Round 2(this time it's personal). I dunno how long it will be before they completely say "Fuck the US, we're just gonna do whatever we want". Maybe this is it. Or maybe the US will back this one.

[Revy]

C'mon guys, cheer up. These articles are biased from the Left and people need to see the TRUTH in Israel. These brave and courageous men and women from the IDF are fighting for our freedom from terrorism and Islamic fascism. Precious Jewish babies are murdered every second by Palestinians. That's why we deserve to kill them all.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Seriously, in all reality, this is a murderous Zionist rampage against Palestinians. It is disgusting and an insult.



For a worker's state from the Jordan to the Mediterranean!
There's a few people on the German left that actually believe that....they call themselves "Anti-Germans" and somehow think that Germany's past is an excuse to support Israel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Antigerman1.jpg

it says "Down with Germany, Solidarity with Israel, For Communism". :blink: notice that this is supposed to be an "anti-fascist" demo.

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Bloodthirsty motherfuckers. Have they not had their fill of brutalizing defenseless people yet?

I'm almost certain they're doing it for sport now.


Comrades, let's please don't lose our heads and make brash assertions. While such an event as has been alleged would not in the least surprise me, we cannot let emotion usurp objectivity lest we leave ourselves vulnerable to deception. I am as fervently anti-Zionist as anyone here, but I also know that we cannot leave room for the factual credibility of our arguments to be called into question on this matter. And I have yet to find a reliable source reporting on this alleged assault. It may be absolutely true; I am not dismissing it. But I am also not accepting it as truth until I have seen a trustworthy report.
So far in this thread we have the report from PressTV in the OP and the report from Israel National News which someone quoted in a response. They both sound legitimate enough, but a few seconds' research brings this into question:

Press TV is an English language international television news channel which is funded by the Iranian government, based in Tehran and broadcast in English on a round-the-clock schedule.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PressTV)

Israel National News, or Arutz Sheva, is a right-wing Religious Zionist network which claims to be "the voice of the Israeli settlement movement".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsraelNationalNews.com)

Neither source can be considered reliable.
Again, I'm not implying that the reports are wrong - they may be, they may not be. I'm simply saying that, as it stands, we do not have sufficient sources to make a claim one way or the other, and it is critically important for leftists to exercise caution in this regard because we cannot afford to discredit ourselves on this issue.

[Yehuda Stern]

On the one hand, I agree with Apikoros that there's very little proof for tanks entering Gaza (although I wouldn't dismiss off-hand resources linked to Iran if they weren't alone in reporting this). Also notice that the Arutz Sheva article discusses aerial bombings which happened a while ago, not the entry of tanks.

On the other, something is going on in Gaza. There has been a lot of aerial movement in that area and, like I said, some bombings as well. So even if nothing happened yet, I wouldn't be surprised if we'll hear something did in a couple of days or weeks.

Bottom line, it's unlike the Israeli media to not report these things. It happens, but it's pretty rare. So I'm more inclined to believe that this tanks entering Gaza thing isn't true.

Oh, and the anti-Germans are racist scum which should be dealt with as harshly as any fascist organization.

[progressive_lefty]

There's a few people on the German left that actually believe that....they call themselves "Anti-Germans" and somehow think that Germany's past is an excuse to support Israel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Antigerman1.jpg

it says "Down with Germany, Solidarity with Israel, For Communism". :blink: notice that this is supposed to be an "anti-fascist" demo.

I'd literally feel like taking a baseball bat to a demo like that, or some matches to burn away that banner.

[L.J.Solidarity]

Oh well, the antigermans - I guess there's about 2-3000 of them altogether (activists of the really terrible "every criticism of capitalism is antisemitic"-variety, they have enough sympathisers to support a weekly newspaper and a bunch of monthly magazines), their numbers seem to be stagnating for years and they're still hegemonial in some German cities (particularly Dresden and Leipzig) and quite visible in some others (Berlin, Hamburg, the Ruhr area), but I guess they're going to become extinct someday, as most of them are 25+ years old now, soon they will leave universities, get jobs and hopefully stop showing up at demonstrations.

[Steve_j]

There's a few people on the German left that actually believe that....they call themselves "Anti-Germans" and somehow think that Germany's past is an excuse to support Israel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Antigerman1.jpg

it says "Down with Germany, Solidarity with Israel, For Communism". :blink: notice that this is supposed to be an "anti-fascist" demo.

Does this mean that they would support an Israeli invasion of Germany, and the subsequent expulsion of most Germans from one half of the country?

And ofcourse the random detention of Germans, road blocks to cripple whats left of the german economy, another wall dividing the people and ofcource devestating military action that kills more civilans than militants any time any germans try to retaliate?

Im trying to get my head around these "communists"?

[L.J.Solidarity]

Their logic is that because Israel is a Jewish state, and the only place in the worlds where jews are protected from everybody else's (but particularly muslims') antisemitism, Israel has the right to "defend it's right to exist by any means", which in turn translates to "do absolutely everything to Palestinians". Germans have to practise great solidarity with Israel because they committed the Holocaust.

"Communism" is just a nice-sounding word to them, as they accuse most people/organisations/movements criticizing capitalism of "shortened anticapitalism" ("verkürzter Antikapitalismus") which they consider "structurally" anti-semitic in nature, because anti-semites traditionally depict jews as being rich/capitalists. Their own "marxism" is based on critical theory and Adorno's works, and remains deep in the realms of theory without ever being connected to the anti-germans praxis.

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Their logic is that because Israel is a Jewish state, and the only place in the worlds where jews are protected from everybody else's (but particularly muslims') antisemitism, Israel has the right to "defend it's right to exist by any means", which in turn translates to "do absolutely everything to Palestinians". Germans have to practise great solidarity with Israel because they committed the Holocaust.

"Communism" is just a nice-sounding word to them, as they accuse most people/organisations/movements criticizing capitalism of "shortened anticapitalism" ("verkürzter Antikapitalismus") which they consider "structurally" anti-semitic in nature, because anti-semites traditionally depict jews as being rich/capitalists. Their own "marxism" is based on critical theory and Adorno's works, and remains deep in the realms of theory without ever being connected to the anti-germans praxis.

This is still the most bizarre phenomenon I've ever heard of. And was that an Israeli anti-fascist flag they were holding? :lol:
I really think these people need psychoanalysis. Desperately. And I don't like to attribute political views to psychopathy, but I think this is an exception.
If I ever go to Germany, I want to attend one of their demonstrations and throw dreidels and holishkes at them. Yeah. That'll show 'em.....................................

[blake 3:17]

They're completely off their heads.

For folks interested in supporting the people of Gaza I'd suggest looking at http://www.gazafreedommarch.org/article.php?list=type&type=416

A fair bit of the organizing seems to be happening through facebook -- find your area and join the group.

International delegations are being formed, lots of educational work needs to be done, lots of fundraising and out reach needs to be done.

Perhaps the skirmish in the OP was relatively minor -- it doesn't matter. The incredible violence being done to the Palestinian people continues.

[Uncle Ho]

How much more will it take before the Palestinians finally begin fighting back again? The effectiveness of non-violent resistance is an utter fallacy fabricated by the bourgeoisie elite to sap the people of their revolutionary spirit and ensure they can be easily oppressed.

Freedom for Palestine will not come from protesters marching with signs, but from insurgents marching with rifles.

Never before in history have a people endured so much and done so little.

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How much more will it take before the Palestinians finally begin fighting back again?

Where do you live? How do you know what the Palestinians are or aren't doing?

[pierrotlefou]

How much more will it take before the Palestinians finally begin fighting back again? The effectiveness of non-violent resistance is an utter fallacy fabricated by the bourgeoisie elite to sap the people of their revolutionary spirit and ensure they can be easily oppressed.

Freedom for Palestine will not come from protesters marching with signs, but from insurgents marching with rifles.

Never before in history have a people endured so much and done so little.
They do fight back but it's not organized. They also remember what happens whenever they do try anything bigger than throwing stones. Last go around the IDF used white phosphorus in populated areas. I don't think they're trying to risk that again.

[Uncle Ho]

The worst repercussions came not at the height of the PLO activity, but after a period of scattered, ineffective resistance.

Israel is looking simply for an excuse to kill more Palestinians. The only reasonable action at this point is to make them pay for each pint of Palestinian blood with a gallon of their own. Bring the war to them. Target their politicians, their media heads, their captains of industry. Destroy their water supplies, sabotage their power stations and shoot all settlers on sight.

Until the Palestinians SERIOUSLY radicalize again, they are doing nothing but baying before their slaughter.


Where do you live? How do you know what the Palestinians are or aren't doing?

Every time a Palestinian shoots so much as a sideways glance at an Israeli, it is covered throughout the world as a heinous terrorist attack.

It's quite apparent that they aren't doing nearly enough, anyway, as their situation continues to worsen.