And now, “The Great Turkey” map...

[Özkan]

And now, “The Great Turkey” map...

New Turkey maps with different borders appear again. While some maps demonstrate a divided country, others show a bigger territory.

A cd distributed in the schools in Istanbul as part of Parent Education Project is one of these. According to that map, Turkey expands its borders to include Kirkuk, Mosul, Erbil, Batumi, Nakhchivan and Cyprus.

There is no real information about the source of the map. It is claimedto have been formed by the Istanbul National Education Directorate from varios sources.

Officials said the issue is being proescuted.
(soL – News Desk)

http://english.sol.org.tr/sites/english.sol.org.tr/files/soleng/harita.png

[Dimentio]

I have seen some nationalist Turkish maps where Japan(!) is included for some reason, as well as all the Balkans, all of the Ukraine, all of Siberia and so on. Basically, everyone with a language moderately related to Turkish is a Turk, according to the logic of some Turkish fascists.

[Özkan]

I have seen some nationalist Turkish maps where Japan(!) is included for some reason, as well as all the Balkans, all of the Ukraine, all of Siberia and so on. Basically, everyone with a language moderately related to Turkish is a Turk, according to the logic of some Turkish fascists.


Yes you are so right. Because of the fact that origin of most people living in Turkey comes from the Middle Asia, it is accepted that soma nations such as Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyzs, Turkmens are relatives of Turks. And there is an ideology to unite Turkic nations under one roof: Pan-Turkism. So they create some fasicts maps.

[Dimentio]

Well, that would make as much sense as Iranian nationalists including all of India and all of Europe except Finland, Hungary and the Basque region in Spain in their "greater Iran" map.

[F9]

lol...
i really hate it when greeks and turks include to their "maps" cyprus, and i reall really hate it, when i see it down here too.For example map of greece with cyprus on the corner:rolleyes: or map of turkey which has half of it:rolleyes:
Plain bullshit...
No borders No nations

[Holden Caulfield]

I've seen this map before
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QERWklgO5HQ/RrJyyIL-ZFI/AAAAAAAAAAM/OxM0Q7ag6FQ/s320/Pic2-TuranMap.jpg

there is also this one with some weird little enclaves
http://laiba.tianya.cn/laiba/images/1497968/12477992240891585561/A/1/m.jpg



I would be pretty interested to hear about this from some of our Turkish comrades. Is it something fascists generally support, or is it just a fantasy of some nutters with a map and some crayons?

Does a love for Greater Turkey exist along side dreams of Pan-Turkicism

[RedAnarchist]

I added the map.

As for the Northern Iraq lands that have been annexed in the map, those are the lands of the Iraqi Kurds. A few years ago, Turkey threatened to invade Northern Iraq to prevent the Kurds there from declaring independance, due to their own internal quarrel with Turkish Kurds.

I wonder why they put Nakhchivan into Turkey and not the rest of Azerbaijan?

[Özkan]

I would be pretty interested to hear about this from some of our Turkish comrades. Is it something fascists generally support, or is it just a fantasy of some nutters with a map and some crayons?

Does a love for Greater Turkey exist along side dreams of Pan-Turkicism

Turkish fascists generally support that idea. You can see many of these maps in their offices, websites etc... They get proud when they look at maps such as this one. What a wildness! Their hands are full of blood... But they are going to be drowned in the blood they have poured!

In recent years, there is a struggle to create a union called "Turkish Union". It is supposed to include independent Turkic states and autonomous Turkic zones in Middle Asia. They have always dreamed about creating the "Great Turkish Empire", and this union is supposed to be first step of this aim.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Turkish fascists are some of the strangest people I've ever encountered. When I was in Ayvalik a couple years back I saw about 20-30 people holding up a giant banner with the Great Turkic Empire on it. I think they were Grey Wolves types, but I didn't want to get too close, being a foreigner and all.

[Dimentio]

Turkish fascists generally support that idea. You can see many of these maps in their offices, websites etc... They get proud when they look at maps such as this one. What a wildness! Their hands are full of blood... But they are going to be drowned in the blood they have poured!

In recent years, there is a struggle to create a union called "Turkish Union". It is supposed to include independent Turkic states and autonomous Turkic zones in Middle Asia. They have always dreamed about creating the "Great Turkish Empire", and this union is supposed to be first step of this aim.

The thing is that I have a sense that even if the "stans" in Central Asia agreed on it, it would be impossible without Armenia joining. And that would mean a direct Turkish confrontation with Russia.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

The thing is that I have a sense that even if the "stans" in Central Asia agreed on it, it would be impossible without Armenia joining. And that would mean a direct Turkish confrontation with Russia.

...and to which I say to the Turkish fascists: yeah okay good luck.

[scarletghoul]

A lot of Turks are very patriotic, which seems to be instilled in them from crazy things such as the crime of 'insulting turkishness'. I guess it makes sense that the far right would be F R E A K I N C R A Z Y!!

A conversation I once had with a proud Turk on Omegle-


You: hello
Stranger: turkum dogruyum caliﾅ殘anﾄｱm ezberleyin ulan
You: umm
You: go PKK!
Stranger: hi
Stranger: fuck you
Stranger: faggot
Stranger: turk is great turk is grand
Stranger: idiot *****
You: ....

[Dimentio]

I think that the reason why patriotism/nationalism is so very ingrained in Turkey is that the state of Turkey was born out of the ruins of an empire and a foreign invasion, as well as a strong national leader who rather brutally ingrained the new nation with secular nationalism to combat previous, pre-national social identities.

[Revy]

here's a list from Wikipedia of irredentist movements....


Greater Albania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Albania)
Greater Armenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Armenia_%28political_concept%29)
Greater Austria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Austria)
Greater Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Britain)
Greater Bulgaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Bulgaria)
Greater China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_China)
Greater Croatia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Croatia)
Greater Finland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Finland)
Greater Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germany)
Greek Great Idea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_Idea)
Greater Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Hungary_%28political_concept%29)
Undivided India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undivided_India)
Greater Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Iran)
Greater Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel)
Greater Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Italy)
Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere) (Japan)
Greater Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Lebanon)
Greater Khorasan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Khorasan)
United Macedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Macedonia)
Greater Mongolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Mongolia)
Greater Morocco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Morocco)
Greater Nepal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Nepal)
Greater Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Netherlands)
Greater Portugal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Portugal)
Greater Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Romania)
Greater Serbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia)
Greater Somalia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Somalia)
Greater Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Syria)
Greater Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Yemen)
Pan-Turkism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism)

[redSHARP]

pipe dreams!