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abbielives!
1st October 2009, 05:45
brilliant as always:


"Attentats" and anarchist practice


In our literature, it has often been said that individual or collective acts of protest against the present social organization - of the sort described as acts of terrorism - are inevitable. In non-revolutionary periods, they often indicate an acquisition of social consciousness and stimulate the desire for independence among the masses. They provide an example of individual heroism in the service of the general cause and serve to awaken the majority of people who are indifferent. At the same time, they undermine confidence in the exploiters' abilities, on the political and economic level. In periods that are already revolutionary, they form part of a general situation and these acts are no longer those of committed individuals of exceptional heroism, who are responding to oppression with armed resistance. Neither need they necessarily be carried out primarily by revolutionaries in order to sympathise with such acts. But while recognizing the general situation, it is essential, however, that we do not forget that the value of every terrorist act is measured by its results and the impression it produces. This observation may serve as a way to distinguish the kind of acts that contribute to the revolution from those that may be a waste of life and forces. The first condition, which is vital, is that this terrorist act be clear to everyone without the need for long explanations and complex motivations. In every place there are certain personalities who are so well known for their actions (be it throughout the whole country or only among the population of the area concerned) that the news of an attack on them will at once, without the aid of revolutionary propaganda, remind people of the past history of this individual, and the motives for the terrorist act are thus quite clear. If, however, the man on the street who is not a revolutionary, has to rack his brains in order to understand the act, then the influence of this act is nought, or even negative. The act of protest in the eyes of the masses becomes an incomprehensible murder.
We find acts of terror in the political and economic fields to be completely artificial, be they centralised or "spontaneous". We fight equally against economic and political oppression, oppression by the central government, and oppression by local authorities.
Regarding the question of terror, there is another aspect - organization. We believe that terrorist acts are the result of decisions made by individuals or by the circles that support them; so centralized terror, in which an individual plays the role of executor of the decisions of others, clashes with our concepts. Just as we do not consider it possible to stop comrades from engaging in revolutionary acts in the name of party discipline, neither do we believe it possible to ask them to give up their lives for something which was not thought up and decided by them.
The main difference on the issue of terror between us and the political parties is that we do not think that terrorism can serve as a means to change the existing order, but see it only as a completely natural manifestation of an indignant consciousness or as an act of self-defence, which for this very reason has an agitational effect, contributing to the development of a similar feeling of indignation among the people.

Kropotkin
(Ob aktakh lichnogo i kollektivnogo protesta, resolution adopted at the Anarchist Communist Congress, October 1906, London; in Russkaya Revolyutsiya Anarkhizm, pp. 8-9, London 1907.)

English translation by Nestor McNab.

abbielives!
1st October 2009, 05:59
Interview with Jacob Ferguson on CNN's Anderson Cooper show Here is a video link called "Confessions of a Domestic Terrorist" which appeared on CNN last night:

http://portland.indymedia.org/img/extlink.gif http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xAX8Dogkg

Stranger Than Paradise
1st October 2009, 12:55
I dont know what this is supposed to mean? What are you trying to prove?

ls
1st October 2009, 12:59
Will you please fuck off abbielives?

The Douche
1st October 2009, 16:36
Oh no! More evidence that the insurrectionary tendency is a valid part, and always has had a basis in the anarchist movement!

Even Kropotkin acknowledges the theory of "attack".

revolution inaction
1st October 2009, 22:54
Oh no! More evidence that the insurrectionary tendency is a valid part, and always has had a basis in the anarchist movement!

Even Kropotkin acknowledges the theory of "attack".

all anarchists are insurrectionary why is a separate tendency needed?

The Douche
2nd October 2009, 00:02
all anarchists are insurrectionary why is a separate tendency needed?

Your lack of understanding the theory behind "insurrectionary anarchism", yet readiness to attack it demonstrates your ignorance.

ls
2nd October 2009, 01:06
Your lack of understanding the theory behind "insurrectionary anarchism", yet readiness to attack it demonstrates your ignorance.

:confused: Where did radicalgraffiti or anyone else attack insurrectionary anarchism?

I think this thread is meant to tarnish anarchism as being a violent terrorist ideology rather than provide some solid theory, also it could leave revleft open to accusations of being a terrorist website. On that basis, I think it should be trashed, if not perma-deleted.

abbielives!
2nd October 2009, 01:52
:confused: Where did radicalgraffiti or anyone else attack insurrectionary anarchism?

I think this thread is meant to tarnish anarchism as being a violent terrorist ideology rather than provide some solid theory, also it could leave revleft open to accusations of being a terrorist website. On that basis, I think it should be trashed, if not perma-deleted.


as though we wont be called terrorists reguardless of what we do. your post is nothing more than an attempt at censorship .

ls
2nd October 2009, 02:48
Please don't live anymore abbie, you're a completely total&uttershitter. As for the mods, please will you delete this thread.

Искра
2nd October 2009, 02:59
1) About anarchism and terrorism: http://infoshop.org/faq/secA2.html#seca218
2) Kropotkin wasn't insurrections, please don't insult dead people.
3) Not all anarchist insurrections are insurrectionist. Insurrectionism is "strategy" (???) of post-modern society, and has nothing to do with period in which Kropotkin lived. Aslo, you can't relate anarchist terrorist acts with today's insurrectionism. We should make clear distinction between insurrection which erupted because of class war, workers struggle, which was only way for people to act, but which was "made" by community, by working class (that's important act of class struggle) and today's insurrectionism which is nothing but few kids which wanked on black bloc pictures throwing molotov cocktails. For example calling Kronstandt insurrection or Ukrainian insurrection, "insrurrectionist" is criminal.

Stranger Than Paradise
2nd October 2009, 17:49
Your lack of understanding the theory behind "insurrectionary anarchism", yet readiness to attack it demonstrates your ignorance.

Basically you are trying to label Anarchists as terrorists, that is the upshot of this whole thread. Insurrectionary applies to any member on this board, it is a neccessity towards revolution, therefore we all believe in it. Insurrectionary Anarchism is something far removed from this other belief. You are the ignorant one.

ellipsis
2nd October 2009, 22:33
To me the OP simply introduced a relevant text so that it could be read, analyzed and discussed. And if the OP did mean to insinuate that anarchists=terrorists, so what? Is an unpopular opinion grounds for censorship on this forum?

On being labeled a terrorist website, CNN, Rolling Stone, Wired etc. write a lot about terrorism too, give accounts of how the Iraqi and Afghan insurgencies are conducted etc. Additionally you can find insurgency manuals, which go beyond an ideological discussion of terrorism and give instructions on the practice published by the U.S. Army online. This 100+ year old essay is not much of a threat or an abnormal thing to be posted on any website.

The Douche
2nd October 2009, 23:28
Basically you are trying to label Anarchists as terrorists, that is the upshot of this whole thread. Insurrectionary applies to any member on this board, it is a neccessity towards revolution, therefore we all believe in it. Insurrectionary Anarchism is something far removed from this other belief. You are the ignorant one.

Kropotkin is identifying the fact that individual actions of terrorism will occur by members of the anarchist movement. This is, by the way, is an example of where the concept of "attack", which is a core foundation of insurrectionary anarchist, comes from. And he wasn't opposed to this primitive, and unarticulated concept of "attack". Yet the members of this board are, so they must paint it in a different light.

Stranger Than Paradise
3rd October 2009, 00:12
Kropotkin is identifying the fact that individual actions of terrorism will occur by members of the anarchist movement. This is, by the way, is an example of where the concept of "attack", which is a core foundation of insurrectionary anarchist, comes from. And he wasn't opposed to this primitive, and unarticulated concept of "attack". Yet the members of this board are, so they must paint it in a different light.

No no one is painting it in a different light. We understand that propoganda of the deed was an accepted tactic within the Anarchist movement of the time. We recognise it as a failed tactic.