Anti terrorism ad from Northern Ireland

[The Idler]

w0wLCNvX5w4Just wanted to share this moving powerful anti-terrorism advert from the 1980s, be advised this depicts graphic violence. I know of people who say it is aimed at loyalists but I think it has the intended pacifist significance for families (and specifically children) on both sides. I'd be interested to hear how those calling for armed revolution (a la Che Guevara) interpret this advert

[Black&Red]

Why do they do cheesy and bad songs in ads?
It just makes you want to shoot the guy who's singing so he would just shut up.

Terrorism is only a point of view. The enemy calls terrorism what the fighter calls resistance.

And if you're conducting revolution, it's best not to have any ties to the "outside world" for it makes it easier not having to worry about government threatening or torturing your family to get to you.

[Q]

Why do they do cheesy and bad songs in ads?
It just makes you want to shoot the guy who's singing so he would just shut up.

Terrorism is only a point of view. The enemy calls terrorism what the fighter calls resistance.

And if you're conducting revolution, it's best not to have any ties to the "outside world" for it makes it easier not having to worry about government threatening or torturing your family to get to you.
You seem to have a very Blanquist view of revolution; the little group of "enlightened conspirators" taking over power by violence. Trotsky wrote a useful bit (http://www.marxists.de/theory/whatis/terror2.htm) on terrorism and the reactionary role it has. So no, it isn't just a "point of view", but a very specific and, in my opinion, counter-revolutionary tactic.

[ls]

And if you're conducting revolution, it's best not to have any ties to the "outside world"

What? :lol: So we can make a revolution in our own homes? Nice.

[Q]

What? :lol: So we can make a revolution in our own homes? Nice.
Less contacts means less "leaks" about the revolutionary plans. Like I said, a very conspiratorial view of things.

[ls]

You can't avoid the outside world, it's a fact, just look at members in the IRA; most of them walk/walked around their towns a lot simply as themselves, in fact that's how the authorities got a good few of them (one of the best tactics was by catching loose banter in pubs) and in other areas of their social lives, so like I said.

[synthesis]

Less contacts means less "leaks" about the revolutionary plans. Like I said, a very conspiratorial view of things.

I believe it was Nelson Mandela who lamented that for all the time his comrades spent calling the government fascist, they were caught completely by surprise when the government actually started acting like fascists.

Whoever the top dogs are, if they perceive a real threat to their dominance, shit will go down. Might as well be prepared for it.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I don't get how that was related to terrorism. It seemed like it was about Al Capone style mowing bartenders down gangsterism. Like maybe if it was about bombings or political violence or something then it would make more sense in relation to this thread?

[Q]

I don't get how that was related to terrorism. It seemed like it was about Al Capone style mowing bartenders down gangsterism. Like maybe if it was about bombings or political violence or something then it would make more sense in relation to this thread?
Shooting your opponents = gangsterism?
Bombing your opponents = terrorism?

:confused:

The ad was directed at the IRA, so yes, the link to terrorism as a political strategy is very obvious.

[Kukulofori]

So wait is this ad against walking into apartments and shooting children or

I don't understand?

[FreeFocus]

Defining terrorism as the use of, or the threatened use of, violence against civilians for a political, social, or economic purpose, it's never acceptable (civilians here being defined as people who have no institutional connection to the state or corporations in such a way that they have power - i.e., are not in the military, police force, or in political office, and are not CEOs or on a Board of Trustees, etc). In the video, a guy walked into a bar and opened fire. What the fuck? How do you defend that?

Nonetheless, I don't think the IRA was ever responsible for such an attack, so this is propaganda by imperialists.

[The Idler]

Shooting your opponents = gangsterism?
Bombing your opponents = terrorism?

:confused:

The ad was directed at the IRA, so yes, the link to terrorism as a political strategy is very obvious.


Defining terrorism as the use of, or the threatened use of, violence against civilians for a political, social, or economic purpose, it's never acceptable (civilians here being defined as people who have no institutional connection to the state or corporations in such a way that they have power - i.e., are not in the military, police force, or in political office, and are not CEOs or on a Board of Trustees, etc). In the video, a guy walked into a bar and opened fire. What the fuck? How do you defend that?

Nonetheless, I don't think the IRA was ever responsible for such an attack, so this is propaganda by imperialists.
I think it was made by the British state, but before this advert is dismissed as "propaganda by imperialists" or "directed at the IRA", bear in mind that the tactics it depicts were regarded as "Loyalist" terrorist tactics. But I think its pretty even-handed and sincere, and I think innocent families on both sides wanted a reduction in violence.

[Dr Mindbender]

lol i remember this when it was on telly! :lol: Also i think its from the early 90's.

Oh shit now im showing my age. :blushing:

[Dr Mindbender]

Why do they do cheesy and bad songs in ads?
lol during the time we were going through a fad for Van Morrison style gushy shite.

:lol:




In the video, a guy walked into a bar and opened fire. What the fuck? How do you defend that?

Nonetheless, I don't think the IRA was ever responsible for such an attack, so this is propaganda by imperialists.

The guy that opened fire on the bar was a loyalist, im fairly sure of that as that was a typical loyalist tactic (see Greysteel massacre).

TBH i dont think the point of this footage was meant to be politically partisan, but rightly or wrongly to illustrate to the public that they should intervene to stop the pointless nature of the tit-for-tat conflict.

[ls]

TBH i dont think the point of this footage was meant to be politically partisan, but rightly or wrongly to illustrate to the public that they should intervene to stop the pointless nature of the tit-for-tat conflict.

That's how I perceived it too yep.

Clearly the public are morally bound to jump in the way of gunfire, the fat flak-jacket protected RUC are far too important to even consider being in a pub after all (except for buffet night).

[pastradamus]

What is it about Northern Ireland and their heroicly cheesy ads?

[Dr Mindbender]

Clearly the public are morally bound to jump in the way of gunfire, the fat flak-jacket protected RUC are far too important to even consider being in a pub after all (except for buffet night).

lol, no during the time there was a number they asked you to ring in to anonomously provide information.

'Crimestoppers' it was called. During the 90's the big grey RUC armoured landrovers used to drive around Belfast with the number painted on the side in military red stencil.

http://irelandsown.net/ruclandrover.jpg