Are capitalists the biggest free loaders of all?

[☭World Views]

If so, what arguments support this position?

[NecroCommie]

The sheer amount of the stuff they get without contribution works as proof of their parasitic vermin lifestyle.

[Olerud]

The sheer amount of the stuff they get without contribution works as proof of their parasitic vermin lifestyle.

Bill gate's daughter comes to mind. She wont need to lift a finger her whole life.

[21st Century Kropotkinist]

If so, what arguments support this position?

Yeah. The way in which profit is made is the best example.

A property-owner has employees, for whom either produce a good, serve a good, or perform a service. The property-owner simply...owns the property, whilst the individuals (wage slaves) using the equipment, or performing services (hence possessing these things-an argument for worker's control) are being productive.

Instead of the amount of remuneration given to said company or establishment going directly to those who produced this amount of remuneration to be divided equally, often a great deal of this payment goes to the property-owner, who takes most of it, arbitrarily, and throws a few crumbs, to employees; this is of course after managers are paid. All the while, the capitalist has done nothing. Sounds like free-loading to me.

As another poster mentioned in reference to Bill Gate's kids, an incompetent hack can inherit their parent's fortune and take part in this action. It's the nature of a totally anachronistic, destructive economic model. By the way every time these free-loaders fail, the government bails them out by throwing money stolen from said wage slaves at them (see tax-payer money).

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Corporate Welfare:


According to the Cato Institute, the U.S. federal government spent $92 billion on corporate welfare during fiscal year 2006. Recipients included Boeing, Xerox, IBM, Motorola, Dow Chemical, and General Electric.

Alan Peters and Peter Fisher have estimated that state and local governments provide $40-50 billion annually in economic development incentives, which many critics characterize as corporate welfare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare

http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-33.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_for_the_rich_and_capitalism_for_the_poor

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Nader/CutCorpWelfare_Nader.html

See also:

Baker, D. (2006), The Conservative Nanny State. How The Wealthy Use The Government To Stay Rich And Get Richer (Centre For Economic And Policy Research).

Download this book here:

http://www.conservativenannystate.org/

[gorillafuck]

They profit enormously often to the point of becoming millionaires off of the work of others, and the people they profit off of often have trouble affording necessities of life.

[RebelDog]

A capitalist makes a zero (in fact negative) contribution for massive reward. If one has a deed in ones pocket owning a factory then one doesn't even have to get up in the morning, never mind actually produce any goods or services for humanity. Those of us that have to rent ourselves to them to survive and produce all the goods and services, make massive contribution for minimal reward. Any class society is always going to be upside-down economically and what is happening is power being rewarded, be that power through property or bargaining power. Basically if you have the power to take massive reward then you can, and the state will protect you from those you are stealing it from. The status-quo exists to channel as much wealth in to the hands of the capitalists and they dont give a toss about where it comes from, corporate welfare, market power, labour exploitation, environmental destruction, war, etc. They would have every last penny if they could get away with it.

[Agnapostate]

As mentioned, the economic framework of capitalism involves a scheme in which the private ownership of the means of production (acquired through a coercive process of "primitive accumulation") and consequent hierarchical subordination of labor under capital enables the extraction of surplus value from the working class in the production process through the use of wage labor and subsequent utilization in the circulation process in order to perpetuate a vicious cycle of capital accumulation. In visually pleasing terms:

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/Dolgoff/ed4a754f.png

[rednordman]

OK, I admit that i havent read all of the posts to this thread (will do asap), but am going to contribute anyhow. Basically, the whole notion that successfull people, always work hard is a bit of a flip on the human nature arguement.

If you where doing something that you knew was going to get you a fortune (saying thats what you wanted), then it dosent matter does it? You would work those hours without fail and feel only joy, because you know the material benefits afterwards. You would know that there is a good chance of being successfull otherwise you would not make the effort. This is how it works.

Ofcourse, When you have attained your profit, then you can use the money (initially) to pay for workers to do your job for you. It just goes on and on from there.

How these people can compare this, with someone who is at the bottom end, I have zero idea. But to the capitalism supporters, 'everyone has an opportunity in this world'.:rolleyes:

So yes, capitalists are huge freeloaders, as they aspire to live a life of everyone doing everything for them, while they get shitloads for it. It is seen as the 'pinacle', isnt it? (to the capitalists)

[RotStern]

The father and or mother makes as much money as possible.
For Generations there family sits on a massive pile of cash without having to lift a finger.
Thats what I call free loaders.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Definitely the free loaders of society. The Capitalists will attack our comrades who cannot find work or those who have been so degraded by Capitalist society they cannot carry on working. The Capitalists day of justice will come.