Full-timers

[The Idler]

What do left organisations mean when they say "full-timers"? I know senior union bureaucrats can make a lot of money but do left-wing organisations like the SWP UK CC take a salary? If so, how much? I noticed they are appealing for £150,000 (http://www.swappeal.org.uk) and just wondered where it all goes. I tried to find their accounts on the Electoral Commission (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22socialist+workers+party%22+site%3Ahttp %3A%2F%2Fwww.electoralcommission.org.uk) but can only find stuff for their front organisations like Left List etc.

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Well, I have no idea of the details personally, but I clicked the first link you provided, and one of the first things on the page is a "Where your money goes (http://www.swappeal.org.uk/wheremoneygoes.html)" link, so that might answer your question.

[Absolut]

I cant speak for the SWP, but I doubt that if they give out a salary to anyone, its no bigger than that of an average workers. At least they shouldnt.

[TC]

"Full timer" cadre make much less than an average worker.

[red cat]

"Full timer" means a fully professional revolutionary. He gets salary from the party.

[Q]

"Full timer" cadre make much less than an average worker.
This. CWI fulltimers often have a bit more than the breadline really. I think this is similar in many other revleft organisations.

[Eat the Rich]

IMT fulltimers make minimum wage, that is a lot less than the average wage. That is because we don't want people to become careerists within the party, but be a full-timer as a sacrifice to the ideas.

[Eat the Rich]

How much does Alan Woods make?

Alan Woods makes enough in order to support his mansions, 100 slaves and 72 virgins.... What kind of sily question is this. He makes minimum wage just like everyone else.

[Die Neue Zeit]

While I have said much about the need to organize the working class along the lines of the pre-war SPD and inter-war USPD, I do have personal reservations about having a bloated apparatus of "full timers." Where possible, functions should be performed by volunteers and part-timers. I say "where possible" because anarchist romanticism about volunteers and part-timers only leads to organizations being more controlled by full-time student yuppies and academic intellectuals (all New Left types, post-modernist hacks, etc.) disconnected from the working class at large.

[The Idler]

Well, I have no idea of the details personally, but I clicked the first link you provided, and one of the first things on the page is a "Where your money goes (http://www.swappeal.org.uk/wheremoneygoes.html)" link, so that might answer your question.
I'm sympathetic to paying for webspace and newsprint for extra pages and supplements, but I'm curious in general as to if salaries are taken. I read once in Weekly Worker that Morning Star journalists earn around £15k pa. and I think I read on Wikipedia that Weekly Worker can afford to pay (out of subscriptions) its contributors for articles too (perhaps on a more freelance basis?).
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[The Ungovernable Farce]

This. CWI fulltimers often have a bit more than the breadline really. I think this is similar in many other revleft organisations.
Which raises the question of how the party cadre'd react if their fulltimers struck against the organisation for better pay and conditions. :lol:

Seriously, I do find the question of fulltimers quite problematic. What're they meant to do if the organisation they're in starts a course of action that they think is completely misguided? In any other situation, they'd obviously argue against it, but that becomes a bit harder when you're also arguing against your employer.

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Seriously, I do find the question of fulltimers quite problematic. What're they meant to do if the organisation they're in starts a course of action that they think is completely misguided? In any other situation, they'd obviously argue against it, but that becomes a bit harder when you're also arguing against your employer.
That is why the membership, not any centralised leadership, should have a final say in who gets to be a fulltimer and vice versa why fulltimers should be accountable to the membership. This also prevents any conservatism in the leadership by the same mechanism you just described.