Music is not Debatable

[KarlMarx1989]

I would just like to those who like to run about and mock others for their "taste in music":

If one doesn't like another's music, that does not make that music bad. Music is a preference and is not debatable. Sure, you may have the option to say it it in a nicer way like; "Personally, I don't like the music you find appealing." or something like that, but no one does.

Displaying your disdain for someone else's favorite music as fact is arrogant and narcissistic.

This, really, goes for any preference; whether it is a preference for sex, or a preference for food.

This is something that bothers me to no end and is something that I have seen time and time again.

[Ovi]

Then why is politics debatable? Why is the left 'better' than the right? Surely the music I like is better :D

[ls]

It's exactly like politics on these boards.

Your music is shit and mine will be at the vanguard of the coming revolution's musical score.

[Fawkes]

You're just pissed cause your music sucks ass.

[JohannGE]

If one doesn't like another's music, that does not make that music bad. Music is a preference and is not debatable. Sure, you may have the option to say it it in a nicer way like; "Personally, I don't like the music you find appealing." or something like that, but no one does.

Displaying your disdain for someone else's favorite music as fact is arrogant and narcissistic.

This, really, goes for any preference; whether it is a preference for sex, or a preference for food.

This is something that bothers me to no end and is something that I have seen time and time again.

Your right of course but as music tends to act on an emotional level, I can't see it stopping. Some banter is fine but the dictatorship of cool is unfortunatly very restricting.

[Pirate Utopian]

You're just pissed cause your music sucks ass.
This.

[cb9's_unity]

There's plenty of music I really respect but done listen to. And then there's music that sucks and should un-apologetically called out for sucking.

Don't argue anything thing i've said until you watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGFSusDXKQ

[Nwoye]

i appreciate this sentiment, but surely there are ways to measure whether a piece of music objectively. you can say that you just don't care for a given piece of music, but still acknowledge that it has redeeming qualities (like me with most metal). the point is, subjective preferences play a part, but there is some objectivity in music.

for example, if i made a recording of myself violently shitting on a xylophone, that would be an objectively bad piece of music, despite how much i said it appealed to my subjective tastes.

[cb9's_unity]

i appreciate this sentiment, but surely there are ways to measure whether a piece of music objectively. you can say that you just don't care for a given piece of music, but still acknowledge that it has redeeming qualities (like me with most metal). the point is, subjective preferences play a part, but there is some objectivity in music.

for example, if i made a recording of myself violently shitting on a xylophone, that would be an objectively bad piece of music, despite how much i said it appealed to my subjective tastes.

While I agree with you that shitting on xylophone would be bad I have to disagree that it would be objectively bad. The technicality and originality of a peace can be measured with some degree of objectivity. However the goal of much music is to elicit emotions and that is almost entirely subjective. And for that reason most music can never be entirely objectively measured.

But just because its not objective doesn't mean I can't still espouse my subjective opinions.

[RMHaggis]

'RAP IS SHIT'

discuss......

i just made music debatable?

[KarlMarx1989]

You're just pissed cause your music sucks ass.
Oh? So you know me, huh? Do you know my taste in music? DO you know one band I listen to? Would that even give clues as to what bands I listen to?

I think that this is why I think that no one is going to do anything about a revolution. You think you know thing that you do not. Your all just going to sit on your asses and just talk a bunch of shit about "starting revolution", as you've all done here.

[Pirate Utopian]

'RAP IS SHIT'

discuss......

i just made music debatable?
Fuck your opinion... and yes.

[Nwoye]

'RAP IS SHIT'

discuss......
I'll quote outkast for this one:

"If you think it's all about pimpin hoes and slammin cadillac do's,
You probably a cracker, or a nigga that think he a cracker.
Or maybe you just don't understand"

[Dean]

I would just like to those who like to run about and mock others for their "taste in music":

If one doesn't like another's music, that does not make that music bad. Music is a preference and is not debatable. Sure, you may have the option to say it it in a nicer way like; "Personally, I don't like the music you find appealing." or something like that, but no one does.

Displaying your disdain for someone else's favorite music as fact is arrogant and narcissistic.

This, really, goes for any preference; whether it is a preference for sex, or a preference for food.

This is something that bothers me to no end and is something that I have seen time and time again.

I disagree. While I think that there is a fair bit of elitism in regards to musical taste, that doesn't mean that taste is immaterial. I dislike most pop artists, but I enjoy some of their music. Many of the artists I like - Chumbawamba, Snog, Cat Rapes Dog - I like precisely because they are "higher theoretically." I wouldn't judge someone for not knowing or liking that kind of music, but those who refuse to step out of the very narrow corporate pop scene cannot be taking their taste in music seriously.

[ZeroNowhere]

Is morality debatable?

[Fawkes]

Oh? So you know me, huh? Do you know my taste in music? DO you know one band I listen to? Would that even give clues as to what bands I listen to?

I think that this is why I think that no one is going to do anything about a revolution. You think you know thing that you do not. Your all just going to sit on your asses and just talk a bunch of shit about "starting revolution", as you've all done here.

Yes, I do in fact know what bands you listen to. Shitty ones.

So as to keep this post from being deleted as "unproductive" like my last one, I'll say something of more acceptable meaning I guess.

Who created better music: the Sex Pistols or Shakira?
Who created better arguments: Marx or Bakunin?

Oh no, I see a debate looming.

P.S. Shakira's way better

[Pirate Utopian]

Besides debating music is not merely saying other people's taste sucks, it's also recommending music and talking with fellow fans of a band, genre and album about it.

Music is debatable, opinions are debatable.
They're just not objectively shit or good.

[which doctor]

I would just like to those who like to run about and mock others for their "taste in music":

If one doesn't like another's music, that does not make that music bad. Music is a preference and is not debatable. Sure, you may have the option to say it it in a nicer way like; "Personally, I don't like the music you find appealing." or something like that, but no one does.

Displaying your disdain for someone else's favorite music as fact is arrogant and narcissistic.

This, really, goes for any preference; whether it is a preference for sex, or a preference for food.

This is something that bothers me to no end and is something that I have seen time and time again.

I've noticed people who share you're opinion usually have very poor taste in music.

[Il Medico]

....Whether it is a preference for sex,...
My preference is often.

[Dean]

My preference is often.

Such baseness. I like it.

[KarlMarx1989]

I do in fact know what bands you listen to.
How? The only evidence I have given to the music that I like is making a thread about Corporate Avenger and I used a lyric, here, from a Marilyn Manson song.

I would like to see a list of the bands you know I listen to. I want to see if you've got the right man.

[RHIZOMES]

I would just like to those who like to run about and mock others for their "taste in music":

If one doesn't like another's music, that does not make that music bad. Music is a preference and is not debatable. Sure, you may have the option to say it it in a nicer way like; "Personally, I don't like the music you find appealing." or something like that, but no one does.

Displaying your disdain for someone else's favorite music as fact is arrogant and narcissistic.

This, really, goes for any preference; whether it is a preference for sex, or a preference for food.

This is something that bothers me to no end and is something that I have seen time and time again.

I do sort of agree, but I have noticed a correlation between one having super-ultra-mega-mainstream music tastes (100% stuff like Nickelback, Britney Spears, etc) and one being an incredibly bland person in general.

[KarlMarx1989]

I have noticed a correlation between one having super-ultra-mega-mainstream music tastes ... and one being an incredibly bland person in general.
That may be because they aren't being themselves. They, mostly, listen to that kind of music because "the masses" do.

Following what's popular is what started that whole "emo" shit that is the bane of us "gothick" people's integrity.

[KarlMarx1989]

Oh, and Fawkes; I am still waiting...

I would like to see a list of the bands you know I listen to.
...just to see if you really
do in fact know what bands you listen to.

[KarlMarx1989]

Yeah, that's what I thought; Fawkes.

As I have said before, if someone likes fish over beef; you don't hear them going around saying that their taste in food sucks. Why bring the same rubbish about music?

[Dean]

Yeah, that's what I thought; Fawkes.

As I have said before, if someone likes fish over beef; you don't hear them going around saying that their taste in food sucks. Why bring the same rubbish about music?

Fawkes posted an inflammatory response and it was moved to the trashcan. He did not provide any examples of artists you listened to, though.

[Fawkes]

Yeah, that's what I thought; Fawkes.

As I have said before, if someone likes fish over beef; you don't hear them going around saying that their taste in food sucks. Why bring the same rubbish about music?

Nice life.

What's better: beef or fish? It's a subjective question, therefore it's debatable, just like talking about whether someone's religious or not. Don't waste your fucking time trying to get people to stop arguing about music, it's stupid and will never work. The arguments ultimately mean nothing which is why it's pointless to try to stop them.

Of course I don't know or care at all what bands you listen to, get a fucking sense of sarcasm/humor.

[KarlMarx1989]

Fawkes posted an inflammatory response and it was moved to the trashcan. He did not provide any examples of artists you listened to, though.
Oh, OK. nvm, then; and I apologize though I did not see the post. It is just a little personal when someone says they know something about you.

trying to get people to stop arguing about music, it's stupid and will never work.
What an interesting point you bring up. Do you know how many people say that revolution is impossible. Do you know how many people scoff at our conversations about revolution. Even though it looks bleak, don't you think that (most of us) actually try; and build toward that revolution in our respective countries?

[pierrotlefou]

I think it depends on if you see music as art or entertainment. If you see it as art, which it is, then you can see there is some objectivity in music. If a band/ "artist" has the intent of making money as the primary objective, or making it big as they say, then that band/artist has crossed the threshold of art into entertainment thus cheapening it and turning it into a commodity, as money tends to do. To say there is no such thing as good or bad music, to me, is incorrect.

[BorealStorm]

Thank you, OP. I'm honestly quite sick of so much musical elitism out there.
Music taste is insanely subjective, it's rather inane to argue about it as people often do.


'RAP IS SHIT'

discuss......

i just made music debatable?
I do no enjoy the majority of hip-hop music out there is created. Corporatist rap is the worst, espousing constantly racist, sexist, homophobic, and pro-violence lyrics when some of the original "gangster rap" was a Marxist critique of such things along with Capitalism. Rappers have become a thing that they hated to a large degree.

And far too many underground hip hop artists hold Afrocentric viewpoints that I simply cannot agree with.

Also, rapping has got to be one of my least favorite forms of vocal I have ever come across, if not my least favorite. That being said, sometimes the electronic sounds are not bad and I don't find the rapping particularly detracting from that.

For instance, Kick The Can Crew's Sayonara Sayonara has to be one of the most nostalgia and emotion rendering songs I've ever heard. I've not exact knowledge as to what they're singing about, but when I really get into the instruments, it nearly brings me tears.

I don't think hip-hop is for everyone, and I don't think everyone should be expected to like it.
I am for more into the traditional sounds of folk, and the traditional messages of black metal, neofolk, folk metal, gothic, and so forth, which reflect my northern tribal feel towards life, than the modern urban cultural theme of hip-hop artists. I have a taste for ancient, northern Eurasian tradition, and hip hop music does not tend to fill that.

[KarlMarx1989]

Music taste is insanely subjective, it's rather inane to argue about it as people often do.
Thank you. It's good to finally see some sensible responses.

I think that one can still express his / her opinion about what they think about a genre / song / band / etc. and I think that it is inane, as the banned BorealStorm stated, to express one's disdain for music they don't like as fact.

[mphilip876]

Music is not debatable at all......

[Il Medico]

Music is always debatable, however, everyone is right because it is a matter of personal taste.

[KarlMarx1989]

I suppose that is another way to look at it.

[Tyrlop]

Besides debating music is not merely saying other people's taste sucks, it's also recommending music and talking with fellow fans of a band, genre and album about it.

Music is debatable, opinions are debatable.
They're just not objectively shit or good.
yes agreed obama.

[Red Isa]

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