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heiss93
26th September 2009, 07:00
Did Allende commit suicide or did he die shooting?

Wikipedia says the following:
Controversy

At the time and for many years after, his supporters nearly uniformly presumed that he was killed by the forces staging the coup, and many theories have been made up to imply he was ruthlessly assassinated. The rumor can be originally traced to a speech given in Havana's Plaza de la Revolución on 28 September 1973 (only two weeks after Allende's death.) On that day Fidel Castro told a crowd of about 1 million Cubans that Allende had died in La Moneda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palacio_de_La_Moneda) wrapped in a Chilean flag, firing at the army with Fidel's rifle. Another version stated that Allende was killed in combat on the steps outside the Presidential Palace.
The "murder-in-battle" theory that states that Allende was killed by Pinochet's military forces while defending the palace was officially set forth in 1975 by Robinson Rojas in his book The murder of Allende and the end of the Chilean way to socialism[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Allende#cite_note-Rojas-8). The book has become widely discredited since the return to democracy in Chile.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
For years after Allende's death, Fidel Castro in public addresses continued to promote the story that Allende had died while exchanging gunfire with Chilean troops. He finally spoke of Allende's suicide as a fact only in 2002.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Allende#cite_note-9)
In recent years, the view he killed himself has become more accepted, particularly as different testimonies are confirming the details of the suicide in news and documentary interviews[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Allende#cite_note-Gonzalez-1). Also, members of Allende's immediate family including his wife and his daughter,[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Allende#cite_note-PERIODISTA-10) always outspoken, never disputed that it was a suicide.
However some supporters still refuse to accept the suicide.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In 2008 the Chilean doctor Luis Ravanal published an article in the magazine El Periodista stating that Allende's wounds were "not compatible" with suicide. Asked to comment on Dr. Ravanal's hypothesis, the Chilean congresswoman Isabel Allende (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_Allende_%28politician%29), the President's daughter, said that the suicide version is the correct one[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Allende#cite_note-Allende-11).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Allende#Controversy

Random Precision
29th September 2009, 04:45
Since NHiA has been banned, the best available evidence suggests that he killed himself with an AK-47 rifle that had been given to him by Fidel Castro during his state visit to Chile. Not that this actually matters, since the Chilean tragedy is bigger than one man's suicide, however much it has been made of by the Right.

h9socialist
29th September 2009, 15:56
Of course it really doesn't matter does it? Allende died because of a fascist junta -- PERIOD. The right-wing loves to depict left-wingers as not displaying heroic Roman virtue (as if that really counts for anything except more cadavers) . . . Except for Che, ironically. Originally they concocted a story that Che died from battle wounds, to cover up the fact that he was executed without trial or any due process -- ie. He was assassinated by right-wing thugs. Consequently, I'm not sure of any story that the right-wing spreads. The relevant story here is the CIA's involvement in the Coup, along with the influence of Anaconda Corp., and our ol' Pal Tricky Dick. If you're trying to find out who killed Allende, that's where to look!

MarxSchmarx
30th September 2009, 06:52
Has anybody ascribed motives to Allende's suicide? He doesn't seem to mention it in his final radio address.

Tower of Bebel
30th September 2009, 16:28
Allende was not a fighter, and I think he knew that capture was not an option (torture, horrible death, etc.). The Junta became well know for it's inhumane crimes.

MarxSchmarx
1st October 2009, 06:00
Allende was not a fighter, and I think he knew that capture was not an option (torture, horrible death, etc.). The Junta became well know for it's inhumane crimes.

Well , then there's still a part of me wishing he could have died a martyr's death.

Die Neue Zeit
1st October 2009, 06:14
Well, at least Pinochet didn't give him the gun like Hitler did to the SA boss in the Night of the Long Knives. ;)

SurrogateofTime
1st October 2009, 06:31
Has anybody ascribed motives to Allende's suicide? He doesn't seem to mention it in his final radio address.
The motives are simple... There was a coup being thrown against him by Pinochet... I can't blame Allende for going out that way, rather than going taking the other potential routes...

Random Precision
1st October 2009, 13:19
The motives are simple... There was a coup being thrown against him by Pinochet... I can't blame Allende for going out that way, rather than going taking the other potential routes...

Though it would have been fairly awesome to see Allende stripped down to his waist, carrying his AK and yelling "THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD!" as he runs from the palace to personally take down the coup.

dez
1st October 2009, 15:34
Luis Ravanal, a chilean forensics doctor claims that allende died from the bullets of two different weapons, and I'd rather trust him than the official report made by the same doctor who claimed Carmelo Soria died from a car accident.
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His wife was only able to see the body in the 90s, and allende's doctor who claimed it was a suicide was never forced in exile or had any of the many instruments of the chilean dictatorship working to make his life miserable, which is quite suspicious.

Brazilian military dictatorship attempted to "suicide" a famous journalist that was criticizing their regime, but did it so poorly that there were evidences of murder all over. Vladimir Herzog, google him.