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Aesop
25th September 2009, 20:22
I hope everyone is keeping well btw
But basically my problem is that now I feel that it is the right time for me to join a organisation, yet I don't think which one to join out of these:
The SWP
SP(the socialist party)
SPGB
If I had to describe myself I would see that I am a Marxist socialist, quite fond of Gramsci and I am not particularly a fan of Stalin................anything else with you may find helpful to help me to decide which organisation feel free to ask.
Q
25th September 2009, 20:37
Oh boy, here we go again. In b4 ton of "advice posts" that all advice to join their party.
Anyway, what do you know about these organisations and what do you find attractive about them? Similarly, what questions do you still have about them?
Pogue
25th September 2009, 20:37
http://libertyandsolidarity.org/
theres your solution
Aesop
25th September 2009, 21:59
Oh boy, here we go again. In b4 ton of "advice posts" that all advice to join their party.
Anyway, what do you know about these organisations and what do you find attractive about them? Similarly, what questions do you still have about them?
All i really know is that the SWP is the biggest socialist(not social democracy) party out there, and that they are a trotskyist based party.
Also I just want to know more or less everything about the parties current stand on various issues such as China and tibet, Zimbabwe(a socialist anaylsis on the issue would be great, i kind of find it discomforting and annoying and not effectivly being able to swiftly refute it when i hear people say 'Zimbabwe was better when it was called rhodesia' in a sophomoric tone), and the issue on how to acheive socialism.
Spawn of Stalin
25th September 2009, 23:08
I hope everyone is keeping well btw
But basically my problem is that now I feel that it is the right time for me to join a organisation, yet I don't think which one to join out of these:
The SWP
SP(the socialist party)
SPGB
If I had to describe myself I would see that I am a Marxist socialist, quite fond of Gramsci and I am not particularly a fan of Stalin................anything else with you may find helpful to help me to decide which organisation feel free to ask.
Decide where you stand first, SWP and SP are both Trotskyite parties, SPGB is vehemently anti-Leninist, and even more so it is anti-Trotskyist. If you want my honest advice I would say I am most sympathetic towards SP, although I think Trotskyism is a disgusting thing I at least share one or two of their views.
I wish I could say the same for SWP but they make so many concessions just so that they can become a mass party, these days they really fail to address the fact that a Leninist party should be a revolutionary party, and while some of their members may be revolutionaries, the party really isn't very revolutionary in nature. The brutal reality is that lot of people join SWP just so that they can be in a party, I don't know how many members SWP has but I'd be willing to bet that less than half are active revolutionaries, this allows the big shot SWPers to basically do what they want, there is a great lack of internal democracy within the party. I was involved with some SWP Comrades for quite some time and wasn't particularly impressed, so if you have any questions feel free to ask, granted I am anti-Trotskyist but I think I am more capable of being impartial than an active SWP member.
SPGB prides itself on its history and its dedication to what it calls genuine, democratic, non-hierarchical, open access socialism, and I have to say that its members do have very honourable intentions.
I wouldn't join any of them to be honest.
Q
26th September 2009, 05:49
Also I just want to know more or less everything about the parties current stand on various issues such as China and tibet, Zimbabwe(a socialist anaylsis on the issue would be great, i kind of find it discomforting and annoying and not effectivly being able to swiftly refute it when i hear people say 'Zimbabwe was better when it was called rhodesia' in a sophomoric tone), and the issue on how to acheive socialism.
For issues on China I would recommend Chinaworker.info (http://chinaworker.info/), which is the website of the Chinese section of the Committee for a Workers' International, of which the SP is also part of.
For Zimbabwe I point to the CWI website (http://www.socialistworld.net/z/bin/kw.cgi/search?words=zimbabwe&btn=search).
For background reading on socialism I point to Marxist.net (http://marxist.net/) (English theoretical website of the CWI)
Holden Caulfield
26th September 2009, 10:49
Look (http://www.revleft.com/vb/trotspotting-everything-you-t117826/index.html) at this my friend (made by anarchists out of lulz)
The Idler
26th September 2009, 12:34
Decide where you stand first, SWP and SP are both Trotskyite parties, SPGB is vehemently anti-Leninist, and even more so it is anti-Trotskyist.Its worth mentioning the SPGB predates Leninism. But, yes, you need to explain what you want out of a party (activity, internal democracy, professionalism, theory, internationalism, anti-imperialism etc.) and what you expect before you can be advised.
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