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MilitantAnarchist
25th September 2009, 17:24
I'm starting a local Class War group with a newspaper and i'm opening up with a anti bnp leaflet... I have a few questions about photoshop... which is the best one to go with? i've used Vuze to get it and there is many different ones like CS2, CS3, CS4... but one i downloaded didnt work properly... Can anyone send me the program that actualy works?

Also, on another note, this is the text from my leaflet (some of it nicked from a Bristol Antifa leaflet, but it still applies).. what do you think? is it too long? is it informative enough?


You can guarantee close to any election date, you will get a number of different BNP flyers through your door telling you how the evil immigrants are all crazy terrorists that want to destroy our culture and take our housing… So here at Charnwood Class War, we want to answer some of these points without the lies. Keep the British National Party out of our Class, they are no more then right wing nationalist Tories.
(Housing Q&A provided by Antifa)
Do immigrants and asylum seekers get housed first?
Immigrants or asylum seekers from outside Europe are specifically excluded from any ‘recourse to public funds’ and this includes housing and benefits. Only asylum seekers who have been accepted as genuinely fleeing violence or torture may be given indefinite leave to remain in the UK. They can then work or apply for housing if they are eligible. The same rules apply to them as apply to anyone else. Don’t believe the racist lies of the BNP and tabloids.
Have asylum seekers got all the housing?
It’s important to look at the facts, not the hype. Across the country, asylum seekers granted indefinite leave occupy less than 2% of council and housing association properties. The main reasons for getting housed by the council are relationship breakdown and parental eviction, not immigration, and the biggest share of social housing goes to elderly people.
So why was my friend turned away by the council?
There simply isn’t enough social housing to go around. Successive governments have left it to the private landlords to provide more houses but this just hasn’t happened. As always, the system we are ruled by prioritises profit over the needs of real people, whatever our colour or race. If we want people to have access to decent housing, then more social housing has to be created.
Where have all the council houses gone?
The policy of ‘right to buy’ has led to the sale of millions of council houses. The houses are far cheaper than if bought in the open market, were often heavily discounted further to encourage people to buy them, and are a total bargain. However, councils are not allowed to build new houses with the money from the sales, and housing associations have built very few. This has meant that total social housing has reduced from 35% of housing stock in 1965 to about 21% today.
Why is renting so expensive?
Councils and housing associations charge what it costs to provide housing, about £250 a month for a flat. Private landlords, who as well as getting their mortgage paid are also making a profit, usually charge at least £500 a month. Modern built social housing is built to better standards than private housing. Private renting is basically a rip off! This is an insult to all of us simply trying to get by. Such greed is a genuine threat to our lives, unlike living with people of other races who are also just trying to get by.
Don’t be divided and ruled –
Are the immigrants destroying our British heritage and culture?
No. Basically. This is just another bullshit con by Nick Griffins KKK Pr man David Duke. The BNP’s idea of culture and heritage is of some kind of bullshit fantasy people waving Union Jacks singing White Cliffs Of Dover around hotpots and cups of tea, which is fucking pathetic in anybodies eyes. That was an old fashioned idea in the 60’s, and you certainly can’t blame that on immigrants. Another favourite lie of theirs is that white British people are becoming second class citizens. If you have eyes in your head you can see that this isn’t true, not if you look further then the Daily Mail or The Sun.
What about British jobs for British workers? Isn’t that a good thing?
Yes, of course it is. But anyone with half a brain can see that as an immigrant it is difficult to
get work for the simple fact you are an immigrant. The only work they do get is work where they are easily exploited. Also, immigrants take up over 20% of our NHS workers and over 60% of our new doctors and dentists are from immigrant families, which is not preventing any ‘whites’ from getting work.
Also, it is worth noting that all the models on the BNP leaflets you see are foreign models, one in particular which shows three builders on the front is originally from an American billboard, but the BNP have edited out the black guy who was on the original… Goes to show how they really feel about British jobs for British workers… the cheaper the better… I don’t think so.
Does the EU really cost the taxpayer £60billion a year?
Yes, no one has disputed that. But there are other parties that want out of the EU if that is what you want. With the BNP however, they want the repatriation of ‘non whites’, which would cost more then £60billion a year for the foreseeable future and would devastate our economy even more then these Labour bastards have managed to do.
The BNP say they are not racist, is that true?
No, of course they are racist. They like to claim they are not to gain votes, but a brief history of the BNP shows that the party was set up by openly racist NF leader John Tyndal, and that Nick Griffin is not only a Holocaust denier but also has links to the KKK and the NDP (equivalent to modern day Nazi party) in Germany, and has given speeches to both these racist groups within the past six years. Not only that, there is video footage of him telling White supremacists in the USA that to gain votes to get power you need to talk about ‘heritage’ instead of ‘racial purity’ to gain public support. Also, it is worth noting that the only recently changed their policy of ’forced repatriation’ to ’voluntary repatriation’ and they want to abolish the Human Rights act that working class people had fought for to protect ourselves from exploitation. There is much more evidence that is plain to see, but to put it all here would require a whole fucking book! Basically, the BNP are really the British Nazi Party, so don’t fall for it!
Then what is true that the BNP say?
Absolutely fuck all. They are anti working class bastards that would use allsorts of fascist regimes to torture all of us, not just the ‘blacks and Muslims’. So basically, they are not worth the air they breath and the people that support them do not care about us, they are only out for themselves. The BNP are traitors and so are their supporters.

MilitantAnarchist
25th September 2009, 17:36
sorry, had problems with posting... can a mod please delete the first ones? cheers

Pirate turtle the 11th
25th September 2009, 17:54
Loving it although the use of the word torture isnt that great.

Pogue
25th September 2009, 19:00
maybe a bit too much info for a leaflet mate? also remember to emphasis your alternative to the electoral circus/the bnp.

MilitantAnarchist
25th September 2009, 19:15
Cheers... it is a leaflet but its also reading material for the questions most people want to no about the BNP... but i've edited it out and im still left with all that...
Once i get the organisation started properly im gonna get a market stall on a saturday (obviously once i get a job to pay for it, its only like £24 for a day) and order t-shirts and Class War lighters, shit like that... but anyone no owt about the photoshop stuff i talked about?

Pogue
25th September 2009, 19:18
have you contacted the national organisation, if your starting a new chapter i am sure they'd like to know

BobKKKindle$
25th September 2009, 19:56
What about British jobs for British workers? Isn’t that a good thing? Yes, of course it is [...] Goes to show how they really feel about British jobs for British workers… the cheaper the better… I don’t think so.Firstly, why is "British Jobs for British Workers" a "good thing", and, secondly, do you think that the right way to go about opposing the BNP is to try and expose them as not living up to their promises to be anti-immigrant?

No offense, but I just get the feeling that this whole leaflet is quite exclusionary in its language, in the sense that it's clearly talking about immigrants, to people who are not immigrants themselves. Now, it's obviously unlike that anyone who's an immigrant is going to be voting BNP but I do feel it encourages people to think in terms of "those immigrants" and "us British people". This part, for instance:


Are the immigrants destroying our British heritage and culture?The term "the immigrants" is really quite offensive, because it suggests that people who have come to the UK recently are part of a homogeneous group and can be considered "more immigrant" than families who have lived in the UK for several generations, despite the fact that the demographic history of the UK is based on successive wages of immigration. Also, I object to the idea that there is such a thing as a "British culture", or that immigrants having an impact on culture is necessarily a bad thing.

This is perhaps the worst part:


With the BNP however, they want the repatriation of ‘non whites’, which would cost more then £60billion a year for the foreseeable future and would devastate our economy even more then these Labour bastards have managed to do...I think the financial cost and economic impact is not the most important reason to oppose the forced repatriation of anyone who the BNP doesn't consider white. The fact that it's a brutally reactionary and oppressive policy would be on top of my list.

I think you need to go through it and think about some of the things you say to be honest. Also, I don't really get the point of all the expletives. It can make you seem a bit childish and undermine the image of your organization, so best to find a different way of expressing your anger.

LeninBalls
25th September 2009, 20:08
Gotta fix the grammar and spelling a little bit.

MilitantAnarchist
25th September 2009, 20:30
have you contacted the national organisation, if your starting a new chapter i am sure they'd like to know


Yea i have, and i've got in touch with Ian Bone about it to.



Firstly, why is "British Jobs for British Workers" a "good thing", and, secondly, do you think that the right way to go about opposing the BNP is to try and expose them as not living up to their promises to be anti-immigrant?

British jobs for British workers is a good thing because British people want jobs... it isnt saying 'dont give immigrants any jobs', its saying of course it is a good thing, because how is it bad? and im not saying they arent anti immigrant, im saying their lying twats...


The term "the immigrants" is really quite offensive, because it suggests that people who have come to the UK recently are part of a homogeneous group and can be considered "more immigrant" than families who have lived in the UK for several generations, despite the fact that the demographic history of the UK is based on successive wages of immigration. Also, I object to the idea that there is such a thing as a "British culture", or that immigrants having an impact on culture is necessarily a bad thing.


I dont agree, that is your oppinion, and British culture is 'multi cultural' but people dont want that rammed down their throats constantly, people want to hear what they want to hear... they dont want to be told how it is... i've worded it certain ways because i would sooner people turn away from the BNP, im not trying to convert them into anarchists or socialists... most people dont think the word immigrant is offensive so why be pc about it?


This is perhaps the worst part:


Quote:
With the BNP however, they want the repatriation of ‘non whites’, which would cost more then £60billion a year for the foreseeable future and would devastate our economy even more then these Labour bastards have managed to do...
I think the financial cost and economic impact is not the most important reason to oppose the forced repatriation of anyone who the BNP doesn't consider white. The fact that it's a brutally reactionary and oppressive policy would be on top of my list.


How is that bad atall? Read any BNP leaflet and it throws up all the finacial shit, and so am I... I've wrote this so when people get sent BNP shit they can read it and go 'well thats bollocks... and thats bollocks.... thats bollocks....' as they read through it.


I think you need to go through it and think about some of the things you say to be honest. Also, I don't really get the point of all the expletives. It can make you seem a bit childish and undermine the image of your organization, so best to find a different way of expressing your anger

Yea i dont expect you to see the point of expletives.. i on the other hand fucking love em! queens english mate :p

Spawn of Stalin
25th September 2009, 21:06
I think for a leaflet or a pamphlet you might be better off using DTP software like InDesign or Scribus, Scribus is free (http://www.scribus.net/) and very easy to use. Some people prefer to use Photoshop though, just a suggestion really.

MilitantAnarchist
25th September 2009, 23:11
I think for a leaflet or a pamphlet you might be better off using DTP software like InDesign or Scribus, Scribus is free (http://www.scribus.net/) and very easy to use. Some people prefer to use Photoshop though, just a suggestion really.

Cheers mate, i'll download it now....
To peoples problems with my leaflet, it does need editing out i know... Also, if i havent made it clear, this is my idea and my method... PLEASE READ what i put, dont just use as it an excuse to point out spelling mistakes and how i go against Marx's ideology or some shit, because this is REAL working class politics, and i'm more interested in turning people against the BNP... the way i see it is that immigrants and lefties aint gonna give a shit about BNP, so i dont need to talk to them, people that already support BNP are racist fuckers and theres gonna be no changing them... i'm approaching it like a politician (i know i know dont say it) i'm speaking to the 'undecided' people that are looking for answers and MIGHT be looking towards BNP, they MIGHT feel neglected by the government and the Sun and the Mail tell them the government only cares about immigrants, they are the people who need changing... also, today in the UK i think, unfortunatly it is seen as 'cool' to support BNP and be seen as EDL or somthing to the kids it is anyway... the whole 'thug' image with the whole idea of the BNP... if they see the other option as, well no offence but liberal lefty tarts, then they aint gonna listen... Now i might not be right, but if there is a sort of... i dunno, just somthing that isnt liberal shit and speaks for the working class kids, then its gotta work... and if you can get all the youths, white and black with a CLASS WAR - FUCK THE BNP on their shirts, then your gonna have BNP running for the fucking hills shouting "oh my god they have skull and cross bones on their shirts that wasnt part of a Nazi uniform oh my god!"....
EDIT: I forgot to say this - i dont think alot of people that look to BNP for answers are racist, they just want a voice that will speak for them, Class War is that voice... what i hope is people will follow suit and do the same as me in towns and cities all over the country.
Once we've got people saying fuck the BNP and getting interested in Anarchist literature and on the Class War movement, i genuinely beleive, it is a TRUE WORKING CLASS alternative to BNP... (i am drunk again so if i've offended anyone... so?)

Pirate turtle the 11th
25th September 2009, 23:26
Although your a mentalcase your a fuck lot more grounded in reality then alot of the posters here. Congrats.

MilitantAnarchist
25th September 2009, 23:31
cheers mate... there is method in my madness though it looks and sounds pretty distorted.... All im doing is trying to fix it on a small level... even if one person reads that and goes 'yea fuck bnp' in my town... then its worth it.... trust me, i do know what im doing, and if it sounds 'odd' from a left view atall... its because normal folk aint interested in left politics... not really....

brigadista
26th September 2009, 00:11
FYI asylum seekers who are granted asylum - refugee status- now only get 5 years leave to remain - no longer indefinite leave you need to change that
Also
On the housing issue..

The reason that there is a lack of housing is because the Thatcher government brought in legislation to prevent local authorities building what is now referred to as social housing - it has NOTHING to do with immigration... therefore as more people become homeless there is depleted housing stock in which to rehouse them because people don’t move... thus private landlords are now a mainstay of accommodation for homeless people and local authorities are discharging their legal obligations by referring homeless people to private landlords to rehouse them or providing what used to be emergency accommodation [eg bed and breakfast /hostel accommodation] for long periods - not good if you have kids... it costs a FORTUNE and is very profitable for private landlords...there is simply very little social housing left.. the depleted social hosuing stock also impacts on those who are currently in social housing and are overcrowded - very little chance of ever moving..there is now hardly anywhere to move to..

The legislative prevention of building new social housing is a powerful point when arguing about the stupid housing points raised by the disinformation put out by the BNP.. I could go on but it’s been a long week..

MilitantAnarchist
27th September 2009, 17:50
thought id post the leaflet here because as i accidently opened three of the same thread... two are being used... what do you think of it? there will be a back to it, but this is just a rough copy.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2121/classwardemo.png

brigadista
27th September 2009, 18:42
see my other post above re refugees -its wrong on the ilr point- other wise-good leaflet

The Ungovernable Farce
27th September 2009, 18:45
Once i get the organisation started properly im gonna get a market stall on a saturday (obviously once i get a job to pay for it, its only like £24 for a day) and order t-shirts and Class War lighters, shit like that... but anyone no owt about the photoshop stuff i talked about?
Would it not be much easier to set up a stall somewhere other than the market and not pay £24? Also, is anyone else interested? I really wouldn't wanna do a stall with one person.

As for the leaflet: I think that font is kind of hard to read, and I'm guessing there should be something else after "don't be divided and ruled - "
Good luck, anyway.

Holden Caulfield
27th September 2009, 23:16
don't be divided and ruled - fight back! Organize!

Olerud
27th September 2009, 23:55
Good luck man.

Steve_j
28th September 2009, 00:00
I really like it mate.

I agree with TUF that the font is a little dificult to read, and personally im not so sure about the skull, as mentioned you are focusing this on swing voters and not to other anarchists/lefties, im worried it might turn some of your target audience off the the text.

Just a thought.

Well done though, good effort and good luck getting them out.