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Black&Red
24th September 2009, 23:42
-Since communism advocates the emancipation of the working class, shouldn't we support anarchist movements(anarchist socialist/communist movements that is) as they learn people how to be independent from any other class?

-Is it possible for Marxism to inspire itself from the CNT and become a new form of Marxism?(by that I mean by breaking the nation and turn it into many regions to be organized by a government that will only remain after that as a way of repression against the bourgeoisie and as a protection against foreign capitalist invasion) And if not, why not?

-What is the difference between Maoism and Marxist-Leninism?

-Stalin stated that we should always be critical of ourselves(he meant the communist party and the direction of the USSR) in the USSR constitution I think, so doesn't the anti-revisionism position advocated by Marxist-Leninist movements contradictory with the believes of Stalin himself?

Qayin
24th September 2009, 23:55
Stalinism doesnt exist, anti-revisionits constantly say this


Is it possible for Marxism to inspire itself from the CNT and become a new form of Marxism?(by that I mean by breaking the nation and turn it into many regions to be organized by a government that will only remain after that as a way of repression against the bourgeoisie and as a protection against foreign capitalist invasion) And if not, why not?.
um the soviet union?


Since communism advocates the emancipation of the working class, shouldn't we support anarchist movements(anarchist socialist/communist movements that is) as they learn people how to be independent from any other class?
Anarchists and marxists don't agree on the ways to achieve communism,there view of the state is way different.

core_1
24th September 2009, 23:58
I think the main difference between Marxism-Leninism is probably its basis of revolution. Maoists place emphasis on the agricultural peasents and farmers as the main revolutionary class, more so than the proletariat. I think alot of them nowdays view the working class of developed countries as 'bourgeoisie-fied' and support national liberation struggles as a part of the revolution. Marxism-Leninism still places emphasis on the urban working class however, it depends what tradition of Marxism-Leninism because of the whole trotskyist and stalinist divide.

core_1
25th September 2009, 00:00
Stalinism doesnt exist, anti-revisionits constantly say this



How would you describe the CPGB members when they carry big placards of stalin at rallies?
Simply anti-revisionists? Isn't there a clear Marx-Lenin-Stalin tradition?

Black&Red
25th September 2009, 00:20
The Soviet Union centralized everything into the hands of the government, what I meant is that why not the government decides the basic organization and leave it to the different communist parties to put in application this organization. I think it would be more efficient in the repartition of wealth. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Spawn of Stalin
25th September 2009, 00:21
How would you describe the CPGB members when they carry big placards of stalin at rallies?
Simply anti-revisionists? Even though they idolise Stalin?
Comrade there is a difference between recognising and celebrating a man's great achievements and idolising him. If you wish to make the claim that we idolise Stalin then I suggest you present some more evidence other than the fact that we carry a portrait of him on May Day. Stalinism is for the most part a myth, I don't like the term because it is mostly used as a derogatory remark by Trots and anarchists, but if it is a label you wish to attach to us anti-revisionists purely based on the fact that we believe that Stalin was a good socialist, then I for one will wear it with pride.

core_1
25th September 2009, 00:46
Comrade there is a difference between recognising and celebrating a man's great achievements and idolising him. If you wish to make the claim that we idolise Stalin then I suggest you present some more evidence other than the fact that we carry a portrait of him on May Day. Stalinism is for the most part a myth, I don't like the term because it is mostly used as a derogatory remark by Trots and anarchists, but if it is a label you wish to attach to us anti-revisionists purely based on the fact that we believe that Stalin was a good socialist, then I for one will wear it with pride.
And thats precisely the reason 'anti-revisionists' should refer to themselves as Stalinsts, there is some idea that it has to be derogatory. Trots view Trotsky as a 'good socialist', so they refer to themselves as trotskyist. So what are the reasons that 'anti-revisionism' is a prefered term?

Black&Red
25th September 2009, 00:53
Trots only refer themselves as trotskyists to make a distinction between stalinist who were called communist and themselves.

core_1
25th September 2009, 01:02
Trots only refer themselves as trotskyists to make a distinction between stalinist who were called communist and themselves.
Fair enough, but my question remains

Spawn of Stalin
25th September 2009, 01:02
And thats precisely the reason 'anti-revisionists' should refer to themselves as Stalinsts, there is some idea that it has to be derogatory. Trots view Trotsky as a 'good socialist', so they refer to themselves as trotskyist. So what are the reasons that 'anti-revisionism' is a prefered term?
We oppose revisionism, it's pretty simple. Stalin did not develop his own revolutionary theory as such, rather, he enacted the theories of others, Stalin followed the path of Marx-Engles-Lenin, therefore we are Marxist-Leninists. Trotskyists call themselves Trotskyists, it isn't an insult, at least not universally in the same way the Stalinist is. The only reason anyone would want us to refer to ourselves as Stalinists, is that they wish for us to lose our credibility by making ourselves look stupid and "evil", if you walk up to a neo-Nazi skinhead and call him a Nazi ****, he's not going to be too happy about it, but he's not exactly going to deny it either, he is proud to be aryan, we are proud to be supporters of Stalin's great work, but we do not wish to be demonised.

bailey_187
25th September 2009, 15:49
-Since communism advocates the emancipation of the working class, shouldn't we support anarchist movements(anarchist socialist/communist movements that is) as they learn people how to be independent from any other class?

Show me a current anarchist movement worth supporting?
If Anarchists were powerful enough to challenge the state, i would support them and hope they win.


-What is the difference between Maoism and Marxist-Leninism?
Non-Maoists MLists would say Mao's idea of the New Democratic revolution, Cultural Revolution, Three world theory (although most Maoists dont believe this today anyway).
Also, some may take issue over Maoists calling the post-Stalin USSR "state capitalist".




-Stalin stated that we should always be critical of ourselves(he meant the communist party and the direction of the USSR) in the USSR constitution I think, so doesn't the anti-revisionism position advocated by Marxist-Leninist movements contradictory with the believes of Stalin himself?

No. Most people criticise Stalin for somethings. However, its hardly helpful if we go on about our small criticisms when people repeat falsifications about Stalin. First we must combat the false things said about Stalin, then we can offer out criticisms.


Most dont call themselves Stalinists because Stalin did not extend Marxism-Leninism theoretically. Rather, he put it into practice.

Olerud
25th September 2009, 20:30
We oppose revisionism, it's pretty simple. Stalin did not develop his own revolutionary theory as such, rather, he enacted the theories of others, Stalin followed the path of Marx-Engles-Lenin, therefore we are Marxist-Leninists.
Stalinism DOES NOT exist. I wish everyone who says it does would just read that quote.