Getting 'it' Off My Chest... [Archive]

MilitantAnarchist

24th September 2009, 22:45

Right, i've gotta say this because it is really pissing me off.

I think it is totally fucking sick, that in 2009 there are still people who look at scumbags like Pol Pot and Stalin as 'good people'... if you think that, then i declare you my enemy, you are as bad as those fuckers at stormfront that worship hitler. There is no difference between the lot of em... not one working class person (or any class or person for that matter) wants to live under any one of them ****s... surely anyone with any sense wants to fight against anything like that ever happening again....

Even though I believe in free speech and would expect a moderator to delete comments like that, the mod's censor what we say but condoning genocide is apparently fine... What i have a problem with is the fuckers that say this scum loving shit, imagine your someone looking at political matter on a website, they come here and see people being an 'unapologetic stalinist' or fans of pol pot and shit... they are gonna look at us and think we're off our trolleys, then their gonna go to stormfront and those nazi wankers are gonna look just as bad but make em feel good about a pigmentation of their skin...

So all i can do is give all you stalinist, pol pot, lenisist, trotskyite twats a big middle finger and a fuck you!

NO MORE GENOCIDE!!!!!!

gorillafuck

24th September 2009, 22:50

I really don't think anyone on this website actually likes Pol Pot. I remember one person said they view him as a tragic figure rather than a villian, and else seems to hate him.

So all i can do is give all you stalinist, pol pot, lenisist, trotskyite twats a big middle finger and a fuck you!

NO MORE GENOCIDE!!!!!!
Did you just attribute genocide to Trotskyists?

Hell, Trotskyists have never even been in power.

willdw79

24th September 2009, 23:01

You aint gone do shit

shut yo ass up

cb9's_unity

24th September 2009, 23:04

No one calling for genuine socialist revolution is my enemy. We can disagree about history (and I certainly disagree with stalinists/anti-revisionists) or even about what is happening in countries in Cuba or North Korea but here and now in "first world" countries they are calling for workers democracy.

If I can agree with someone who is looking into the future then I can deal with disagreeing with them about the past.

MilitantAnarchist

24th September 2009, 23:07

You aint gone do shit

shut yo ass up

how old are you?

I'm not going to do anything, your right, I'm on the internet... I'm not sad enough to act tough on here.

And to the other guy that commented... wasnt Trotsky, basically Lennins 'Himler'???

gorillafuck

24th September 2009, 23:16

how old are you?

I'm not going to do anything, your right, I'm on the internet... I'm not sad enough to act tough on here.

And to the other guy that commented... wasnt Trotsky, basically Lennins 'Himler'???
Trotsky was the commander of the Red Army and a Bolshevik leader.

Neither Trotsky or Lenin ever committed genocide.

Pirate turtle the 11th

24th September 2009, 23:20

The thing is though is that revleft isnt really a recuiting tool its a discusion bored. Of course if an organization which wasnt utterly mental wanted to make an impression they wouldnt let stalin fanboys in or put up posters with pictures of trotsky with his perve eyes on it.

cb9's_unity

24th September 2009, 23:23

If you think Lenin=Hitler then Trotsky would totally equal a Himmler, well a Himmler who on many situations disagreed with Hitler and didn't join the Nazi party until 1938.

OH wait, Lenin=/=Hitler and while Trotsky shared a close relationship to Lenin he wasn't a henchman.

Pirate turtle the 11th

24th September 2009, 23:27

Its also worth pointing out I dont really give a shit about which dead people were goodies and baddies.

Jazzratt

24th September 2009, 23:35

There is a difference, a vast and yawning gulf between reasoned critique of historical problems with marxist-leninist communism that would not have been present during an anarchist communist revolution and ensuing system and boiling the history of 20th working class struggle down to, essentially, a cartoon. Gah that sentence ran on.

MilitantAnarchist

24th September 2009, 23:38

Lenin and Trotsky isnt really my main beef... Stalin and Pol Pot are...

Bandito

24th September 2009, 23:40

lenisist

Lennins

Enough said.

spiltteeth

25th September 2009, 03:27

Is comparing Pol pot to Stalin fair? At least Stalin created a brilliant economic policy wildly raising the standard of living for everyone, plus he killed a bunch of Nazi's, and he didn't engage in genocide.

Not that this makes him a swell bloke, I'm just saying.

25th September 2009, 03:40

Stalin and Pol Pot were the same person comrade, did you not know.

Pol Pot was Stalin's P-P-P-PUSH IT TO THE LIMITTTTTTT second personality.

☭World Views

25th September 2009, 03:48

We are still waiting for militantanarchist to clear up his post here:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/if-were-wrongi-t118327/index.html

He says:

I'll be honesnt, i cant see me changing my views, not to the right side anyway... what i believe though is that capitalism doesnt work, communism doesnt work, and fascism definantly does work... so i think we should change what we have now, it is quicker and more likely (if you go by bookies odds that is)...
If all our energies (and i include left and right in that, even though the right wouldnt because they are usually pretty stupid (sorry liberals)) went into changing the system for the better, then we wouldnt need the revolution... I unfortuantly have become pretty dispondent by it all now and would sooner just fight for a bigger slice of the pie now rather then want the whole fucking bakery...

I dont mean just 'small things' i mean big things that we all want... infact i would say scratch wanting the right in on it, they are just racist, i just wish they were intellegent enough to see that they were wrong...
If I am mistaken, then I will give you all due apologies. However,
there are questions here that are unanswerable at the moment...
too many questions.

25th September 2009, 03:49

lol at Lenin and Trotsky committing genocide! :lol:

mykittyhasaboner

25th September 2009, 03:51

lol at this whole fucking thread. I wish i could thank a few of these posts though. :)

scarletghoul

25th September 2009, 03:51

true comrade, anyone who doubts a great man like stalin clearly has problems of his own

LOLseph Stalin

25th September 2009, 06:13

lol at this whole fucking thread. I wish i could thank a few of these posts though. :)

lol I agree. If that's the case, the entire left movement might as well be discredited. Sure there were a few crazies such as Pol Pot, but most of us don't even support him. I am yet to meet a leftist who actually supports Pol Pot.

Tower of Bebel

25th September 2009, 12:08

MilitantAnarchist, apologists of genocide, mass murder, death camps, etc. don't belong here. We ban or restrict them anyway. Many don't like it, but arguably there is a difference between defending "Stalin's crimes" for the sake of the Russian Revolution and the aproval of genocide for the sake of committing mass murder.

Ergo, there is a difference between "Stalinists" (Marxist-Leninists) and what I would call "Stalinoids" (idiots). There can be a thin line between them, especially in the minds of those who don't like Stalin, but we have a certain set of rules and a decission making body as democratic as possible to ensure that nobody crosses that line.

Olerud

25th September 2009, 12:41

Stalin and Pol Pot were the same person comrade, did you not know.

Pol Pot was Stalin's P-P-P-PUSH IT TO THE LIMITTTTTTT second personality.

Marx was also a lizard man. True story, just ask David Icke

NecroCommie

25th September 2009, 14:56

Well here's one sectarian OP.
He basically declared war on people who share a goal with him, because of the dead people those dudes identify with.

We are still waiting for militantanarchist to clear up his post here:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/if-were-wrongi-t118327/index.html

He says:

If I am mistaken, then I will give you all due apologies. However,
there are questions here that are unanswerable at the moment...
too many questions.

Even if he did say something like that (did not bother to check), it is counter-productive to cling on every single word of his. If he actually were a fascist it would have shown already.

I refuse to take that accusation seriously.

MilitantAnarchist

25th September 2009, 15:57

Ok, the 'lenists' or whatever was a typo, that shouldn’t even be in debate... as was my 'fascism defiantly DOES work'... my only excuse is that it was late, i was tipsy, and i didn’t check over any mistakes.... But my spelling ability (or lack of) isn't the question... What iss in debate, is my comments, it isn’t a chance for people to jump down my throat...

As an Anarchist, I don't hold rulers up as role models, especially those that killed their own people, whether they agreed with them or not, and in my eyes i cant understand why anyone would want to live underneath Stalin.

Also, I am alot of things but a fascist isn't one of them... You can trawl through my post looking for typos but try READING them aswell.

I am open to correction, I'm not a historian and I don't know a large amount about Stalin, all I know are the few facts anyone with an interest in the working class struggle and poltics does...
Also, i'm not saying Lenin committed genocide, but his hands weren't squeaky clean (go to the Anarchist Black Army thread).

So, to surmise, i apologise for my typos, i'm sure there will be many more and i apologise for my drunken stubbornness from anything i said yesterday. BUT i still think Stalin was as bad as Hitler.
(also, granted there arent many Pol Pot fans here except that one guy...)

☭World Views

25th September 2009, 16:37

I accept your explanation. It's funny, while you were on downers, I was "uppers" and I probably took everything that was said on here way too seriously and exaggerating everything I posted last night.

Pogue

25th September 2009, 19:14

Well here's one sectarian OP.
He basically declared war on people who share a goal with him, because of the dead people those dudes identify with.

Even if he did say something like that (did not bother to check), it is counter-productive to cling on every single word of his. If he actually were a fascist it would have shown already.

I refuse to take that accusation seriously.

I don't think its that absurd really. If someone supports the actions of Stalin or Pol Pot how can you expect me, a libertarian communist, to support or work with them? Do you think maybe I could draw something from who they choose to idolise?

NecroCommie

25th September 2009, 20:31

I don't think its that absurd really. If someone supports the actions of Stalin or Pol Pot how can you expect me, a libertarian communist, to support or work with them? Do you think maybe I could draw something from who they choose to idolise?
As pointed before, majority of these so called "stalinists" only support purges as a mean to a specific sitution, and in no way a universal tool of communism. Therefore it is safe to assume that it is unlikely they will support purges in the U.S. today for example. For the time being you have a common cause: to topple capitalism. Once that is done, it is time to plan how to move forwards, and it is here when different communist tendencies differ, and it is only at this stage that I understand their lack of co-operation. On such hypothetical occasion however I believe all factions involved are ready to solve the matter democratically, and this I believe includes the self-perceived Stalinists.

EDIT: 666 posts!!!! Heavy metal anti-christ yeah!!!

gorillafuck

26th September 2009, 20:02

(also, granted there arent many Pol Pot fans here except that one guy...)
Who here said they liked Pol Pot?:confused:

26th September 2009, 20:11

i AM POL POT

spiltteeth

26th September 2009, 20:24

Stalin and Pol Pot were the same person comrade, did you not know.

Pol Pot was Stalin's P-P-P-PUSH IT TO THE LIMITTTTTTT second personality.

I have to disagree, PolPot didn't go far enough. He was a wuss, afraid to take it to the REAL limit!

gorillafuck

26th September 2009, 20:30

i AM POL POT
No, I'M POL POT!

NecroCommie

26th September 2009, 21:03

What is this mockery?! I am Pol Pot!
You all wussies would not have the guts to purge even a small continent. :closedeyes: I, ofcourse have secretly purged the planet of Nexon in Alpha Centauri. :cool:

Pirate Utopian

26th September 2009, 21:52

no, i'm pol pot!
i am pol pot!!!!!

26th September 2009, 23:08

No I am pol pot!!!!!!!!

Pirate turtle the 11th

26th September 2009, 23:09

agreed.

spiltteeth

26th September 2009, 23:48

The REAL Pol Pot would have purged his own grandmas before she gave birth to his parents and therefore can not logically exist.

spiltteeth

26th September 2009, 23:50

Glenn Beck's Twisted Brain: Pol Pot Less Reprehensible Than Woodrow Wilson, Tiger Woods, and FDR.

In his chapter titled, "U.S. Presidents: A Steady Progression of Progressives," Beck treats us to his list of the "Top Ten Bastards of All Time." The occupants of that list, in ascending order, are Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Teddy Roosevelt, Bernie Madoff, Adolf Hitler, Keith Olbermann, Pontius Pilate, FDR, Tiger Woods, and Woodrow Wilson. That's right, in Beck's book, mass slaughter of millions of innocents makes you a less reprehensible than Tigar Woods!