Would Ernesto be labeled a "terrorist" in today's world?

[Azygous]

I think so...

[Pete]

I believe he had that label then aswell to the capitalists.

[CheViveToday]

Yes he would definately have been labled a terrorist by most [ignorant people]. Just look at all the rebel groups in Latin America today, they're often referred to as terrorists. And if you think about the true definition of terrorist, he was one. He caused terror among the elites. However, the U.S. army causes terror throughout the world on the largest scale of all time, and not many people consider them terrorists.

(Edited by CheViveToday at 11:07 pm on Mar. 6, 2003)

[Azygous]

yeah i know, but i think he'd be labeled as a terrorist by the state department and US media.

[CheViveToday]

Yes. I think it's safe to say however, he would never become as infamous or hated as Bin Laden. They are different types of terrorists. Hmm....maybe I'm wrong though. If the U.S. began to feel really threatened by him [Che], I'm sure they could make him look as bad as they wanted. And unfortunately, people would believe it.

[Beccie]

Che was a terrorist; anyone he kills with a political motive is a terrorist. In the eyes of many Che’s acts of terrorism was a fight for freedom. The things that Che did, and more importantly the reasons for doing so, are completely different (and I would say more justifiable) to the terrorism of the CIA.



(Edited by Commie01 at 10:13 am on Mar. 7, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Idiots,morons, dunces!!!

What are all of you speaking about!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

CheViveToday....Fuck, I didn't expect THAT from you!!!
And isn't it shame: to tell everyone that he was a terrorist and wear nick "CheViveToday"???


NO!!! HE WASN'T A TERRORIST!!! ALL OF YOU ARE JUST A MEMBERS OF ALPHA66 OR YANKEE!!!

Viva El Che!!! Fuck the morons!!! Hasta La Victoria Siempre!!!

[chamo]

Wise up Kapitan Andrey, CheViveToday is not saying that he was a terrorist, he is saying that he would be labelled a terrorist by George Bush and Friends, which is true.

However, I do not consider him a terrorist, America would.

[InnocentCivilian]

yes i agree........the george bush and tony blair "posse" would definetly have grouped him with bin laden and company.

there is a difference though......che only believed in action where he was going to gain something for the group he was fighting with rather than just acts of violence to make a point.

obviously intellectuals amongst realise che is quite simply not a terrorist.

[KRAZYKILLA]

I bet you don't even know how to pronounce: "Hasta La Victoria Siempre!" Anyways he would be seen as one of those columbian rebels. I think the rebels deserve to take over columbia so long as they dont massacre they're own people.

[InnocentCivilian]

i was just wondering who was that aimed at and why? "I bet you don't even know how to pronounce: "Hasta La Victoria Siempre!""

[chamo]

I bet you don't even know how to pronounce: "Hasta La Victoria Siempre!"

Of course we have no idea to whom that was aimed, but it seems that it was completley unprovoked and unnecessary, is pronounciation all that matters? Do you know if whoever you aimed that fruident remark can pronounce it, even if the auido clip is playedat the entrance to this website.
Azygous was simply but making a statement that this change in political thinking of America would have had him labelled a terrorist, as they do this to anyone they hate so that the American people will hate them too.

[Alexius Comnenus]

Terrorists?

What is this?

The only thing that is terrorising me and the world are not the Zapatistas or the Colombian guerrilas but the state terrorism as expressed in political prisoning even in the so called "land of freedom" that lets you talk most times freely but makes sure you are not heard.

Well some terrorists kill for religious reasons innocent people that I personally regard unacceptable(Twin Towers).Many say that in the way to freedom innocent lifes must be killed.I say that if we can we spare the the guilty lifes in order to save some more innocents.

But unfortunately the struggle against regimes and vice versa alaway takes its death toll from innocent people.But what makes it seem more violent when happens from the opposers is the government-controlled media.

[Kapitan Andrey]

happyguy...Are you bleak?

CheViveToday:"And if you think about the true definition of terrorist, he [Che] was one. He caused terror among the elites."

What can you say now?

[Beccie]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 10:59 am on Mar. 7, 2003
Idiots,morons, dunces!!!

What are all of you speaking about!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

CheViveToday....Fuck, I didn't expect THAT from you!!!
And isn't it shame: to tell everyone that he was a terrorist and wear nick "CheViveToday"???


NO!!! HE WASN'T A TERRORIST!!! ALL OF YOU ARE JUST A MEMBERS OF ALPHA66 OR YANKEE!!!

Viva El Che!!! Fuck the morons!!! Hasta La Victoria Siempre!!!


wtf?!? calm down comrade....

Just cause I said Che was a terrorist does not make me a member of alpha666!

Che does fit with the dictionary definition of terrorism. That doesn't necessarily mean that the things he did were wrong.

[chamo]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 7:17 am on Mar. 8, 2003
happyguy...Are you bleak?

CheViveToday:"And if you think about the true definition of terrorist, he [Che] was one. He caused terror among the elites."

What can you say now?


Oh, shit, I forgot about his other post above that. However, it is true that he may have fitted with the dictionary definition, but that not necessarily make him one. He did not terrorise the masses though, he was a freedom fighter.

[Larissa]

He was definitely not a terrorist and he didn't support terrorism. However, it's clear that Bushyguy and Blairpuppie would have referred to him as a terrorist.

[CheViveToday]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 5:59 am on Mar. 7, 2003
Idiots,morons, dunces!!!

What are all of you speaking about!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

CheViveToday....Fuck, I didn't expect THAT from you!!!
And isn't it shame: to tell everyone that he was a terrorist and wear nick "CheViveToday"???


NO!!! HE WASN'T A TERRORIST!!! ALL OF YOU ARE JUST A MEMBERS OF ALPHA66 OR YANKEE!!!

Viva El Che!!! Fuck the morons!!! Hasta La Victoria Siempre!!!

Calm down, that's not what I meant at all. I'm not a moron. Che was a terrorist to the ruling class of Cuba and elsewhere, but he is a hero to us. And that is how it should be.


Che does fit with the dictionary definition of terrorism. That doesn't necessarily mean that the things he did were wrong.
Yes, exactly

[Domino]

Well, seems like that was a missunderstanding. I guess the simple answer to the thread is 'Yes and he was also labeled like that before'. Things got out of context. Now now, pull yourself together http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/ruinkai/wwcontent.gif

(Edited by tetelives at 9:54 pm on Mar. 9, 2003)

[Smoking Frog II]

Well, you know, it all depends on perspective. My feeling are that he was a freedom fighter. Would millions, even billions of people like Che if he was a terrorist? I think not.?

Che is inspiration for people because he fought for them.

[Beccie]

Smoking Frog,

Heaps of people follow George Bush. Does that mean he is not a terrorist?

This discussion reminds me of the phrase “one person’s terrorist is another one’s freedom fighter”

Che is most defiantly a freedom fighter he fought for the people. In my opinion he fought for a just cause. Let us not forgot that he did cause terror amongst the elites. He believed that the dictatorship needed to be removed by military force. Che and the guerillas killed for political reasons. How is that not terrorism?

We must recognise the rights of those we oppose, or how will this world ever be a better place?

BTW I am not arguing against Che. I love what he stood for but as a pacifist I strongly oppose the use of violence.


(Edited by Commie01 at 10:27 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)

[synthesis]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
-the only thing I remember from that piece of shit Bond movie

[CheViveToday]

I agree with Commie01. We all like Che and believe in his cause. However, certain people would have considered Che a terrorist and they wouldn't have been necessarily wrong.

[Smoking Frog II]

At Commie 01:

Do billions of people like Bush? Is he a hero of the people? Is he inspiration for a million young people?

What has he done to make the people freer?
Has he replaced a fascist dictator through armed revolution?

Isn't terrorism done through a minor or unknown organisation? Maybe Bush wouldn't be directly a terrorist: he has the CIA.

I'm not in the mood to argue much, so I can't be f*cked todebate over a comparison with Che and a president.

[Smoking Frog II]

fuk mi

2x post!

new avatar soon!

(Edited by Smoking Frog II at 9:29 am on Mar. 12, 2003)

[Beccie]

Ok first of all I was not comparing Che to bush. No fucking way I would ever dream of comparing the two.

I was trying to say that your reason for Che not being a terrorist (that is Che is not a terrorist because millions of young people follow him) is bullshit.

I respect and admire Che. I agree that he was a freedom fighter and I know that many other people fell the same way but I can acknowledge the fact that he used military force for political reasons. That makes him, to some people, a terrorist. I am not going to deny the fact that the people that Che fought against were people and as people they have equal rights to everyone else no matter what they did or what they believed.

Please don’t misinterpret what I am saying. The government that Che over threw was far far far worse then Che. But I stand by what I said earlier...how will this world ever enjoy peace if we can’t recognise the rights of our enemies? That applies to everyone including che.

[KRAZYKILLA]

Sit back relax, my mind is in control. Che was a hardass, inteligensio. "Es un Chaco." Aqui Ernesto Guevara es un revolucionario y siempre las cosas necesitas.
rofl why did I write in english and spanis? ohhh my. lol

[Kapitan Andrey]

happyguy...He did not terrorise the masses though, he was a freedom fighter.

That's what I'm trying to say!

Larissa, Yes! >Bushyguy and Blairpuppie< ha-ha, that's funny!!! :biggrin:

CheViveToday...
>Che was a terrorist to the ruling class of Cuba and elsewhere, but he is a hero to us. And that is how it should be.<
Oh, that's what you mean! Look out! Speak clearly, or you'll be missunderstood again!!!

[Smoking Frog II]

Quote: from Commie01 on 10:43 am on Mar. 12, 2003
Ok first of all I was not comparing Che to bush. No fucking way I would ever dream of comparing the two.

I was trying to say that your reason for Che not being a terrorist (that is Che is not a terrorist because millions of young people follow him) is bullshit.

I respect and admire Che. I agree that he was a freedom fighter and I know that many other people fell the same way but I can acknowledge the fact that he used military force for political reasons. That makes him, to some people, a terrorist. I am not going to deny the fact that the people that Che fought against were people and as people they have equal rights to everyone else no matter what they did or what they believed.

Please don’t misinterpret what I am saying. The government that Che over threw was far far far worse then Che. But I stand by what I said earlier...how will this world ever enjoy peace if we can’t recognise the rights of our enemies? That applies to everyone including che.



It's not very nice to swear, and also this is a free board and there is no suck thing as a bullshit. After all, one man's meat is another man's poison.

plus, i don't have the timne to argue with a socialist.

[Beccie]

Sorry, I did not mean to offend you. I was just infuriated by your comment:


so I can't be f*cked todebate over a comparison with Che and a president.

Are you saying that your time is to good to waste on a socialist? I'm sorry if I wasted your time[sarcasm intended], if you don’t want to debate why bother posting?

[Piro Argentina]

Of course el Che wasn't a terrorist, in fact in "Guerra de guerrillas" (I don't know how it was translated) el Che says that never the terrorism is a method for the guerrilla to take the power, because it would mean to attack the civillian population, the same people that the guerrilla is trying to save.

"El sentir en lo mas profundo del alma
cualquier injusticia cometida a una persona
en cualquier parte del mundo
es la cualidad más linda de un revolucionario."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Che

[Resorte]

I agree with you Piro, and welcome to the forum!!! Che did not support terrorism. Subcomandante Marcos has some similarities with Che and he is not being label as a terrorist...but then again Bush is in power...

[YerbaMateJ]

Comandante Che Guevara was a soldier and a hero to the Cuban people, The Latin American people--- and all around the world who value freedom, justice, and the eradication of imperialism in all of it's forms.

The people who call this terrorism are people who do not value freedom, justice, and the eradication of imperialism in all of it's forms.

Comandante Guevara said himself:

"It is necessary to distinguish clearly between sabotage, a revolutionary and highly effective method of warfare, and terrorism, a measure that is generally ineffective and indiscriminate in its results, since it often makes victims of innocent people and destroys a large number of lives that would be valuable to the revolution. Terrorism should be considered a valuable tactic when it is used to put to death some noted leader of the oppressing forces well known for his cruelty, his efficiency in repression, or other quality that makes his elimination useful. But the killing of persons of small importance is never advisable, since it brings on an increase of reprisals, including deaths."

(Taken from "Guerrilla Warfare")



Che would not have taken down the Twin Towers. Osama he was not.

YMj:biggrin:

[onepunchmachinegun]

A thing that is very important to remember is:

If a man is a terrorist to you he may be another persons freedom fighter.

Which leads me to the answer: Definitely. Off course, Che Guevara would have been called a terrorist. I don't doubt that. But, as the world is today those who are called terrorists are usually enemies of the USA. The enemies of USA is not by default my enemies. So in that case, terrorists doesn't have to be villains...

[Dawood]

The US calls EVERYONE terrorist these days. OF COURSE Bush would declare Che a terrorist, he was an anti-imperialist!

[El Barbudo]

for bush, almost every leftits are terrorists so...

[Malvinas Argentinas]

If che was alive, the world would be another. Things would have changed globaly. There would be anyone to judge him as a terrorist

[Kapitan Andrey]

Quote: from Malvinas Argentinas on 10:26 pm on April 20, 2003
If che was alive, the world would be another. Things would have changed globaly.

Oh, yea!!! 100 agree!!!

[Droes lee]

bush can do evirything with the media in ""his"" land
so he can manipulate evirything. he can even say that santaclaus is a criminal so... he can call che an terrorist

[GCusack]

I think he would b v high on the 'Wolrd's Most Wanted List' with Osama Bin Ladin!

[zero8gear]

American government should be labeled as terrorist because they eliminate all the people who is leading thier countrymen into freedoom.

[Danton]

Terrorism "use of violence and intimidation"

Ernesto's definitive action in Santa Clara (de-railment of military train) at the time would be considerd terrorism as the guerilleros were not a recognized political entity. However the ensuing victory legitamises it as an act of war.

[Beano]

Its just a bloody word made up by mainly the US and UK to turn the people against any fight for a cause they don't like.

[thoughtsperished]

His would be position in todays society is all in the eye of th ebeholder, to some no doubt he would appear a criminal and terrorist like Bin Laden and his lackeys, but then aren't they just revolutionaries for another cause?! i think GWB and Blair would definetly label him as a terrorist but to those who know, know the truth!

[Pete]

Terrorism has been used for a while. Do not think it is a new invention. There are documentaries from the 70's using the term.

[redstaruser]

che is anything but a terrorist!

[Sovietico]

Quote: from Commie01 on 10:12 am on Mar. 7, 2003
Che was a terrorist; anyone he kills with a political motive is a terrorist. In the eyes of many Che’s acts of terrorism was a fight for freedom. The things that Che did, and more importantly the reasons for doing so, are completely different (and I would say more justifiable) to the terrorism of the CIA.



(Edited by Commie01 at 10:13 am on Mar. 7, 2003)




So, bush is a terrorist too......., He kills with a political and economical motive in iraq, and afganistan, and.....