Shitty jobs

[Ahmed]

In communism we would all work due to the self satisfaction and love for our work, but then how do the shitty jobs get done? I've heard technology as an answer before, but I believe that if we get to a point where we are reliant on robots for our mere existence, we are doomed as a species.

[KarlMarx1989]

How'd they do it in the USSR?

[Ahmed]

USSR wasn't communist. People certainly did jobs they didn't wish to.

[KarlMarx1989]

*Smacks forehead* Of course. Excuse me.

[Ahmed]

Stanlinism or "socialism in one country" is in no way communism. Neither is Leninism (Marxism-Leninism) but that's a whole other debate.

[Kukulofori]

http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secI4.html#seci413

[Qayin]

Neither is Leninism (Marxism-Leninism) but that's a whole other debate.

Its a method to achieve communism. Leninism is applying marxism to russias conditions as a feudal society.

Lenin also made the theory of the vanguard party.


Stanlinism or "socialism in one country" is in no way communism
No such thing as Stalinism, ask the Anti-Revisionists.
Socialism in one country is a theory that you must develop your country as if it was the last socialist revolution. Socialism in one country does not give up on
international revolution, as some trots and orthodox marxists claim.
(Im no way an Anti-Revisionist)

[IrishWorker]

In communism we would all work due to the self satisfaction and love for our work, but then how do the shitty jobs get done? I've heard technology as an answer before, but I believe that if we get to a point where we are reliant on robots for our mere existence, we are doomed as a species.

Certainly in a communist world some workers will draw the short straw in relation to type of job but when we evolve to this stage our mindset should have had evolved too so we will not class one type of job as shitty or good but all jobs equal in society and beneficial to the running of the system.

[Jethro Tull]

How'd they do it in the USSR?

the bourgeoisie forced the workers to do it, just like in the usa.:bored:


Its a method to achieve communism.

then where's the communism?

[Qayin]

the bourgeoisie forced the workers to do it, just like in the usa.
The Bourgeois didn't exist in the USSR, the Bourgeois exist in capitalism.
The State forced the workers to do it


then where's the communism?
You don't achieve communism in a country buddy,its worldwide.
Capitalism has never been completely overthrown, so we've yet to see it.

[JJM 777]

how do the shitty jobs get done?
Deciding who will do which work in Socialism is a complicated question. The issue presented by OP is only a small part of the problem.

We have millions of jobs that need to be done, and millions of people to do them. Who wants to be the beach guard sitting under a palm tree in Hawaii? Me! Me! Please! And who wants to be a junior crew member on a freight ship from South Africa to Chile, in wintertime? Any volunteers? Who wants to be an actor or pop musician? Me! Hey take me please!

A reasonable way to address the problem, otherwise than raising the salary of jobs that otherwise would be unwanted, would be to reduce the required working time in these professions. If you agree to do a work that most people don't want to do, you get your rationed average salary for fewer working hours than most people do. A "labour bourse", based on offer and demand, could balance the ratio between working time and unpleasantless of the work. "Nobody will accept this work for 32 hours per week, bid 31 hours and see if anyone takes it."

Another positive thing would be enabling people to do two or three different jobs at the same time, each of them part-time, instead of getting bored with one and the same work full-time. So the most boring jobs could be done part-time, while each worker does some more interesting work most of the time.

I want to add that if you do some easy office work, the work ends exactly when you leave the working place. But if you do physically very heavy work, and you are very exhausted after the working day, the quality of your freetime in the evening is not equal to the quality of the freetime of an office worker.

[Ahmed]

Well the link provided by Κουκουλοφόροι gives a very good answer. It would be like, for the lack of a better word, chores. Judging by population numbers these days, if everyone where to do one of the shitty jobs one day per year, they would get done. It would be like jury duty, but more common. A doctor would for example have to clean sewage one day per year. Now if every citizen does this, all these shitty jobs would be taken care of.

[gorillafuck]

In communism we would all work due to the self satisfaction and love for our work, but then how do the shitty jobs get done? I've heard technology as an answer before, but I believe that if we get to a point where we are reliant on robots for our mere existence, we are doomed as a species.
I don't see how we're doomed as s species if we want to develop technology to make working much easier so people can have more time to do other activities.

[Invincible Summer]

In communism we would all work due to the self satisfaction and love for our work, but then how do the shitty jobs get done? I've heard technology as an answer before, but I believe that if we get to a point where we are reliant on robots for our mere existence, we are doomed as a species.

Robots taking care of garbage, mining, etc won't doom us as a species... and I don't see how that would make us reliant on them "for... mere existence."

[LOLseph Stalin]

In communism we would all work due to the self satisfaction and love for our work, but then how do the shitty jobs get done? I've heard technology as an answer before, but I believe that if we get to a point where we are reliant on robots for our mere existence, we are doomed as a species.

First off, how would you define "shitty job"? Are you referring to jobs which are low paying under Capitalism or just dirty jobs nobody wants to do?

[Jonnydraft]

People would do "shitty" jobs because their value system be the antipode of our current one.

[Luisrah]

Robots taking care of garbage, mining, etc won't doom us as a species... "

I'm inclined to say that it will only make us progress even more.

The monkey got smarter when he stopped using his arms and hands for moving. Because he could use them to tinker with things.

If we stop spending our energergies/time on such jobs, I think we will progress, because I bet that atleast 10% of those who did those kind of jobs will turn into scientists, philosophers, artists, etc.

[Jethro Tull]

The Bourgeois didn't exist in the USSR, the Bourgeois exist in capitalism.

the ussr was capitalist.


The State forced the workers to do itthe state, as marx and engels teach us, is an organ of class-rule. (in the case of capitalism, that class is the bourgeoisie)


You don't achieve communism in a country buddy,its worldwide.Capitalism has never been completely overthrown, so we've yet to see it.communism is a principle and a method of social interaction, not a global social order.

[NecroCommie]

I will pass the ignorant comments on Marxism-Leninism, and move straight to the OP.

People will do them because:

1) It is the will of your local democratic council. Your local council no-doubt has a system to either circulate these unwanted jobs, or to place voluntary workforce on them.

2) It is rewarded sufficently. The point of studying hard for a prestigeous job is not a call for a humble person with humble needs. When your all needs are met by doing a simple job, it is tempting for some who have no will to "score social points" by beating yourself to death in high-tech universities.

3) They have to be done. Several weeks of unhandled sewage has a magical effect on the motivation to handle them, and on the job bonuses imposed by the local council.

[proudcomrade]

"First off, how would you define 'shitty job'?"Jobs that directly cause bad backs, carpal tunnel, respiratory problems, high risks such as working on skyscrapers or electrical cables or heavy equipment, dealing with violent unpredictables such as that subset of psychiatric patients whose symptoms include extreme aggression, special-needs teachers (I have done this in the past; and believe me, it is not as easy or well-respected as it looks- rewarding and beneficial to the people, yes; but also far more difficult than meets the eye) etc. Also, jobs like nurse's aide and janitor are all too often literally shitty jobs, on top of the other injuries they cause over time.

Once the thanklessness and poor conditions of these jobs are removed when capitalism finally dies, the nature of this work will be greatly improved. Think of it: adequate protective equipment at all times, short and reasonable shifts with time allowed for recuperation, no more fears of loss of wage and medical care, adequate food, and a system that could rotate the duties by days or weeks. Also, come the revolution, we would break down the classist stigma against these respectable occupations, improving the mental health, morale and social standing of the workers.

We would barely even recognize these occupations from the misery that they are today.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Ignoring the "and then because i say so people will like cleaning up shit" bollocks above the simple solution is a rota.

[Ahmed]

Rotation seems like a better answer. Some jobs will never become fun or rewarding. Yes, they may become less dangerous, and yes they may pay (or beget) an adequate reward, but people would still do them because they had to. If EVERYONE had to do them, but only for a small amount of time, it would be better.