This one is dedicated to the haters.... - of the Soviet Unio

[Comrade Marcel]

This is especially for all those Trotskyists out there who need to get the facts straight about J.P. Stalin.

You also need to give it a rest because both Lev Trotsky & J.P. Stalin died over 50 years ago.

This is also dedicated to those missinformed individuals who think J.P. Stalin killed 20 million, 40 million, 60 million or whatever ridiculous number is the new and "correct" one.

It's time to learn the face of where these numbers are coming from.

Have fun!

Lies Concerning the History of the Soviet Union (http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm)

MIM's Review of 'The Black Book of Communism' (http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/commie.html)

Preface: Trotskyism or Leninism By Harpal Brar (http://www.mltranslations.org/Britain/trotvslenin.htm)

INTRODUCTION to Trotskyism or Leninism (http://www.maoism.org/misc/usa/trotskyism_maoism/tm_intro.htm)

WHY WE OPPOSE TROTSKYISM (http://www.oneparty.co.uk/inload.html?http%3A//www.oneparty.co.uk/html/wwotrot.html)

'WHAT IS TROTSKYISM? A CRITIQUE OF TROTSKY’S MAIN THEORETICAL ASSUMPTIONS' By Tony Clark (http://www.oneparty.co.uk/inload.html?http%3A//www.oneparty.co.uk/html/witrot.html)

Why Trotskyism abhors revolution (http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/wpnz/sep3-01trot.htm)

History of Trotskyism (http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/organization/history_of_trotskyism.htm)

'TROTSKYISM OR LENINISM?' by J. V. Stalin (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/11_19.htm)

And as I am a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, this is for all you haters of Mao-Zedong:

Myths About Maoism (http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/mythsofmao.html)

I can provide more stuff to anyone interested.

BTW, I don't hate Trotskyism, I just don't like dogmatism & counter-revolutionary lies. Some of which are plaguing the Communist movement today.

Serve the People!



(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 7:37 pm on Feb. 20, 2003)

[BOZG]

Exactly, SERVE THE PEOPLE, NOT THE PARTY, NOT THE STATE.

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 8:42 pm on Feb. 21, 2003
Exactly, SERVE THE PEOPLE, NOT THE PARTY, NOT THE STATE.

Exactly. And when have the Trots ever done that?

We all know the answer.... NEVER!

I should have expected such a dogmatic response to this post.

[Liberty Lover]

Comrade Marcel,
Your ignorance is bad enough without you wearing like a badge of honuor. I suggest you read something that isn't pure propaganda before you next try and defie history.

[Liberty Lover]

O, and by most accounts it was 20 million.

[BOZG]

1) I'm not a Trot so don't call me one
2) When has any authoritarian ideology ever had any loyalty to the people?

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 9:29 am on Feb. 22, 2003
Comrade Marcel,
Your ignorance is bad enough without you wearing like a badge of honuor. I suggest you read something that isn't pure propaganda before you next try and defie history.



OK, so anything that you think is wrong is just "propaganda".....

You say that word as if it always implies lies, go get a dictionary buddy.

And of course, you just try to score points with me instead of actually debating.

No, don't bother to actually try and argue facts with facts, just call people ignorant and such....


(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 6:31 pm on Feb. 22, 2003)

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 9:31 am on Feb. 22, 2003
O, and by most accounts it was 20 million.


And where is this number coming from?

The fascist Robert Conquest who uses information that he got from "reputable researchers" who got that information from Nazi propaganda?

Have you ever tried looking up the source of the information on this number? Did the book or article you read this in have any footnotes?

Did you even bother to read any of the stuff I posted?


(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 8:54 pm on Feb. 22, 2003)

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 10:24 am on Feb. 22, 2003
1) I'm not a Trot so don't call me one
2) When has any authoritarian ideology ever had any loyalty to the people?


1) I never called you a Trot. Quote me on this, don't just pull things out of your ass for the sake of argument.

2) What "authoritarian Ideology" are you speaking of?

(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 6:34 pm on Feb. 22, 2003)

[Blibblob]

throught the definition of athorative, the largest point is that it shouldnt.

[BOZG]

A misunderstanding sorry. I thought when you said "And when have the Trots ever done that?" you were saying I was a Trot. My mistake.

Authoritarian ideologies like Maoism or Stalinism.

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 9:20 pm on Feb. 22, 2003
A misunderstanding sorry. I thought when you said "And when have the Trots ever done that?" you were saying I was a Trot. My mistake.

Authoritarian ideologies like Maoism or Stalinism.

Authoritarian in what aspects?

I can see how a Anarchist would view it as authoritarian, but not a Marxist.....

There has to be rules for society to function properly, and Stalin and Mao built the foundations of two superpowers.

[praxis1966]

Look, you all need to calm down. It was this kind of infighting in the PCI that allowed Mussolini to take over Italy instead of Gramsci and Croce. Just to take a middle road here, Stalin was never a commie. Some historians believe that he never even read Marx. Trotsky was too mechanistic in his ideology. That being said, everyone weighing in on this discussion needs to investigate the theoretical basis of the Sandinista government in Nicuragua, read some Friere and get back to me.

[Aleksander Nordby]

Maoism sucks big times

[RedRevolutionary87]

whats wrong with maosim, mao was able to help a nation that was completely starving, he made great leaps for the workign class

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from praxis1966 on 10:14 am on Feb. 24, 2003
Stalin was never a commie. Some historians believe that he never even read Marx.

That is just utterly ridiculous.

To say something like that, you would have to imagine that most of Stalin's writings do not exist.

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from Aleksander Nordby on 10:20 am on Feb. 24, 2003
Maoism sucks big times


Now there's a profound political statement.....

You sir, are the next Fidel!(sarc.)

(Next George Dubyah more likely)

(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 12:22 am on Feb. 25, 2003)

[Just Joe]

Stalin never read Marx? jesus christ. as much as i hate the man, he could lay the fucking smackdown on any Marxist on this site when it comes to knowledge. you don't lead the USSR by just being a bit of a bully. he obviously knew his shit even if he did pervert certain teachings.