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Die Neue Zeit
23rd September 2009, 03:36
Although the Alliance for Workers Liberty is a crypto-Zionist, student-based left sect, it did produce this article on the follow-up to the No2EU campaign:

http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/09/22/son-no2eu-and-peoples-charter-plot-thickens

By Martin Thomas


The leadership of the rail union RMT, the Socialist Party, and the Alliance for Green Socialism, have been discussing with the Communist Party of Britain (Morning Star) about a joint slate at the General Election.

The four groups ran a joint slate - No2EU, initiated by people in the CPB - in the June Euro-elections. AWL did not back it. In our view, it combined non-socialist politics - blaming "Europe", rather than capitalism, for crisis-driven attacks on the working-class - with feebleness (1% of the vote).

They have been talking since then about a new joint slate, with a new platform, for the general election. Nothing has been made public about the talks yet, except that the RMT has called a "conference on the crisis in working-class representation" for 7 November.

The conference is billed as taking no motions or binding decisions, but might be a forum to announce the slate (over the heads of the RMT membership, who have had no part at all in the No2EU or the subsequent talks).

What role will the "People's Charter", promoted by the CPB since late 2008, play? An article by John Haylett in the Morning Star of 21 September, rejoicing at the TUC congress vote to endorse the Charter, compounds the obscurity.

"The main worry surrounding the charter", writes Haylett, "has been the concern that it is a stalking horse to set up a new left-wing or workers' party"

Haylett insists that neither the CPB nor RMT leader Bob Crow (who is close to the CPB) has any such intentions. Exactly what the general election slate talks are for thus becomes more obscure. Anyway, Haylett writes:

"Those of us who have been involved with the charter since its inception have been adamant that it cannot be restricted to such a narrow role. It was and is a distillation of policies already overwhelmingly backed by the trade union movement. It is presented as a coherent alternative to the neoliberal, anti-worker orthodoxy peddled by the parliamentary front benches.

"And it is clear that the Unite amendment to the RMT charter motion last week [at the TUC] was intended to flush out any underlying new party-building intentions.

"It mandated Congress 'to build support for the principles outlined in the charter in workplaces and communities to help promote progressive policies in the Labour Party and to assist in achieving a million UK signatures to demonstrate that the government must put people first'.

"Since there had never been such an intention, RMT general secretary Bob Crow had no difficulty in accepting it [the amendment]..."

Revy
23rd September 2009, 21:23
wow, you're right, I read some of their stuff on Israel.

But on topic, if this People's Charter won't lead to a new workers' party, why does the SP (and the AGS) continue to be involved in it? This is one case where "unity" can drag down parties, because aren't they just making themselves subservient to the CPB....

Tower of Bebel
23rd September 2009, 22:00
When the SP joined NO2EU they mentioned their role in changing the programme. However, socialistic demands did not necessarily replace nationalist demands. The socialist demands and the nationalist demands were part of the same programme.

ls
23rd September 2009, 22:25
When the SP joined NO2EU they mentioned their role in changing the programme. However, socialistic demands did not necessarily replace nationalist demands. The socialist demands and the nationalist demands were part of the same programme.

Socialistic demands should replace nationalist demands, NO2EU should also abandon electoralism towards a program of no voting.

In my view, it would completely shift the whole thing into being positive in the eyes of most left-wing people and could potentially be a very powerful platform used by many organisations throughout Europe.

Spawn of Stalin
23rd September 2009, 22:29
Abandoning electoral work is exactly what bourgeois parties want smaller parties to do.

Revy
23rd September 2009, 22:38
Um, where were the socialistic demands? :rolleyes: It was hard to believe it was created by left-wing parties at all, because it embraced the same exact rhetoric as UKIP. I lean toward the idea that the SP had a false hope in it but no decision making power whatsoever. I would hope that they would have realized their mistake.

Is the Campaign for a New Workers' Party dead or just comatose?

i'm not sure I would have not voted. I would have probably voted for the Socialist Labour Party:blink: which in fact had quite a good showing.

Tower of Bebel
23rd September 2009, 22:53
The following is an example of what I meant:

Nation states with the right to self-determination and their governments are the only institutions that can control the movement of big capital and clip the wings of the trans-national corporations and banks. This means democratic control of the major banks, including the Bank of England, and full public ownership and democratic accountability of railways, postal services, NHS, and the energy industry.

To revitalise the economy, Britain must return to creating wealth based especially in manufacturing, hi-tech and trade across the world.

An end must be made to the dependence on service industries especially the financial sector. To return to an economy based on manufacturing requires massive investment and where appropriate protection of home industries. It is the only way to ensure jobs and a decent safe future for the peoples of Britain.
This is "haggling about principles". I never got a decent answer why.

ls
23rd September 2009, 23:14
Abandoning electoral work is exactly what bourgeois parties want smaller parties to do.

:rolleyes: So all smaller parties who abandon electoralism are infiltrated by the bourgeois, is that not the most worthless reply ever? Just wow.


The following is an example of what I meant:

This is "haggling about principles". I never got a decent answer why.

I really think they should drop most of that, it doesn't add in any meaningful way to no2eu's policies.

Die Neue Zeit
24th September 2009, 03:08
The following is an example of what I meant:

This is "haggling about principles". I never got a decent answer why.

How pathetic! No2EU never even advocated the nationalization of all the banks like Die Linke did (mere "democratic control," and over only "major" banks).

Revy
24th September 2009, 03:19
How pathetic! No2EU never even advocated the nationalization of banks like Die Linke did (mere "democratic control").

Do you think "democratic control" is so vague it might even apply to the Federal Reserve system in the US?

fredbergen
24th September 2009, 03:28
The socialist demands and the nationalist demands were part of the same programme.

So then perhaps we should classify the CWI's latest opportunist lash-up as "national socialist"? Wouldn't be the first time.

ls
24th September 2009, 03:52
To be honest, the hopefulness of a new workers' party expressed in this thread is pointless.

The best I could envisage coming out of no2eu, at any point, was a strong platform attracting a great amount more working-class people to actual working-class politics. It seems like the entire no2eu brand is going to be abandoned though, which I think is a shame as it could've been socialist and a powerful, transnationalist force.

Die Neue Zeit
24th September 2009, 03:56
Do you think "democratic control" is so vague it might even apply to the Federal Reserve system in the US?

My preferred term is "national-democratization," inspired by Soviet foreign policy (specifically on economic issues) in the Third World.

fredbergen
24th September 2009, 04:04
My preferred term is "national-democratization," inspired by Soviet foreign policy (specifically on economic issues) in the Third World.

My preferred term is super-happyfuntime inspired by Lenin's Kautskyite alter-ego. But that's neither here nor there, or as I like to call it, here-there.

Superhappyfuntime-comradely greetings,
Milton Melt, the world's first and leading democro-proleto-sociocrat.

Tower of Bebel
24th September 2009, 09:18
No2EU was only one step towards creating a new mass workers' party that could cut across the BNP, but it was nonetheless important for that. For the first time since the foundation of the Labour Party, a national trade union took the decision to stand, alongside others, in a national election on a left programme.


It was the duty of socialists to support such an initiative. The RMT has now established the idea that the labour movement can stand its own candidates in elections. The civil servants' union, PCS, is currently discussing moving in a similar direction.



All such steps should be encouraged. When workers begin to find their own political voice it is the duty of socialists not to stand on the sidelines criticising, but to engage and work to make sure that those first steps can develop into a mass movement.
NO2EU: a step towards a workers' political voice (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/campaign/Election_campaigns/No2EU/7419)



No2EU-Yes to Democracy is a coalition for the European elections, with a limited programme. While it has drawn around it representatives of the most combative workers in Britain today, from the Lindsey and Visteon workers to the RMT, it is a more tentative step towards independent working class political representation than, for example, the Left Party in Germany, the New Anti-capitalist Party (NPA) in France, or Syriza in Greece.



But working for the biggest possible vote for No2EU can be a first step towards building a force that can unite, in genuine international solidarity, with workers in Europe and across the world to fight for a better future.
Why socialists oppose the EU (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/campaign/Election_campaigns/No2EU/7292).