Cuba - In need of a marxist revolution?

[Kez]

It is clear Cuba is not a marxist state.
How do we go about to change this for a communist revolution to take place?

http://www.marxist.com/Latinam/cuban_revol...crossroads.html (http://www.marxist.com/Latinam/cuban_revolution_crossroads.html)

Thoughts
Comrade Kamo

[Dench]

Isn´t Cuba a communist state ? Maybe not in the marxist way -with the "proletarian diktatorship"(is that how it´s spelled ?)- but they have got a plan economy ?
Yes i agree when you say that Cuba isn´t a completley Communistic state, for this to be the power must come from the majority, not one man (Castro), but i beleve that Cuba is the most succesfull Semi-communism...

[CheViveToday]

I'm sure there could be some Marxist revisions added to Cuba's economic and social structure, however I'd much rather see that happen somewhere that is much more in need of it. For example an intensely capitalistic nation.

[naiz]

Quote: from Dench on 9:19 am on Feb. 21, 2003
Isn´t Cuba a communist state ? Maybe not in the marxist way -with the "proletarian diktatorship"(is that how it´s spelled ?)- but they have got a plan economy ?
Yes i agree when you say that Cuba isn´t a completley Communistic state, for this to be the power must come from the majority, not one man (Castro), but i beleve that Cuba is the most succesfull Semi-communism...



It's socialist, that is a temporary state of change between capitalism and comunism, wich sadly has been prolonged into a semi-dictatorship. A regime is a better word.

[Pete]

Quote: from naiz on 11:14 pm on Feb. 21, 2003

Quote: from Dench on 9:19 am on Feb. 21, 2003
Isn´t Cuba a communist state ? Maybe not in the marxist way -with the "proletarian diktatorship"(is that how it´s spelled ?)- but they have got a plan economy ?
Yes i agree when you say that Cuba isn´t a completley Communistic state, for this to be the power must come from the majority, not one man (Castro), but i beleve that Cuba is the most succesfull Semi-communism...



It's socialist, that is a temporary state of change between capitalism and comunism, wich sadly has been prolonged into a semi-dictatorship. A regime is a better word.

It is true they are in the temporary Dictatorship of the Proletairaint. You can't expec the changes to happen over night. In the 1960's they started to develop a system to house their politics, I think they finally have that. The period of time for Cuba to become truly communist will rely on how long it takes the rest of the world to reache Cuba 1959 state.

[redstar2000]

The "two-tier" economy thing worries me too...that is the division between Cubans who have access to hard currencies and those who don't. It's a thin wedge that could ultimately spell disaster for the Cuban Revolution.

If I were on the Central Committee of the Cuban Communist Party (:cheesy:), I would want very much to look into the possibility of arranging some kind of payment in hard currencies to all the Cubans who presently have no access to them. Many basic consumer goods are available only in "hard currency shops"...and if you don't have dollars or euros, you do without.

The article calls for Cuba to "establish a new international Marxist organization." That's asking a lot! For one thing, who would be in it? As far as I know, all the "parties" that claim to be communist these days are sects. I don't see much to be gained by organizing an "internationale" of groups that, for the most part, have zero influence in the working class. Why the Cubans should foot the bill for an arena wherein people can refight the Stalin vs. Trotsky vs. Tito vs. Mao elimination match (they all lost) is beyond me.

The Cubans probably do provide, quietly, some support for revolutionaries that they consider serious.

On the issue of workers' power, I think the Cubans are making a sincere effort to democratize; part of the problem is Fidel...his presence is so dominating that people are reluctant to step forward with new proposals until they find out how Fidel feels about the matter in question. Castro is the great strength and the great weakness of the revolution. His forthcoming retirement will be the biggest test of the revolution since the missile crisis of 1962.

We shall see how it goes.

:cool:

[Castroid]

Even though there are a few problems with Cuba's version of Communism, the Cuban Revolution has been far more successful in establishing a Socialist state than the Russian Revolution ever has. At least in Cuba the working class haven't had to suffer under a psychotic despot like the Russian people did under Stalin.

[libertino]

Despite some flaws, Cuba continues to be for me a living example of a Socialist society. And I give full support and pride to this country that has been able to survive the onslaught of U.S. Capitalist aggression. In fact, I make a yearly pilgrimage to Havana to absorb it's culture and politics. I love the country and it's people.

[Inocente]

Cuba is an ideological socialist estate not a communist estate.

But with an elderly dictator that a much a he critics the "American Yanquis Imperialist" as he so calls them, he is joining them in the struggle to "Dollarize" the world economy. the classifying of the Cuban people into those with availability and power to own a Abraham Lincoln or two, and those with the misserable pesos.

As tourist we could live as if visiting a capitalist estate, with their Coca-Cola, Bacardi Rum, Levy Jeans..etc.

But the cubans can not go to the store an buy those items...only us the priviledge tourist and those few cuban with exile families that feed their need for the DOLLAR.

The revolution was needed, communism has failed, Capitalysm will too. But lets us recognized that all man were created equal, with power to reazon, to speek freely, to decided his future and that of his family, to go about as free as a bird..not to be presecuted by a totalitarian dictarorship.

Is socialism the answer to the world?

only time will tell



Revolucion con comida

[Just Joe]

if you think Cuba will create Socialism, don't hold your breath.

they'll go down the China route of turning the planned economy into a market one, but still keeping the CP in charge. all you have to look at is how impressed Castro was when he visited China just recently. Raul will keep the Socialist path for a while, but when he goes....welcome 'special economic zones'.

[Larissa]

"how impressed Castro was when he visited China just recently"

Actually, he said he was not sure in "which" China he was at.

With a smile, Fidel affirmed that he was happy with his latest visit to China, which now looks like another country, different and improved. “I am very pleased with this latest trip to China. I’m not sure which China I’m visiting. China changes every five or six years. There are so many new things I’m unfamiliar with,”

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/feb03/vier28/9china-i.html

[KRAZYKILLA]

After the cuban revolution Castro has lost his flare. At least a good amount of it.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Quote: from Castroid on 11:11 pm on Feb. 25, 2003
...At least in Cuba the working class haven't had to suffer under a psychotic despot like the Russian people did under Stalin.


I agree!!!
Well, dictatorship of Castro isn't the best thing in the world...but he is better than Batista,bUsh,bLair...sTalin,hItler!

[KRAZYKILLA]

dont forget mao... pol potter