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bcbm
18th September 2009, 01:13
Why capitalism fails

The man who saw the meltdown coming had another troubling insight: it will happen again

By Stephen Mihm (http://search.boston.com/local/Search.do?s.sm.query=Stephen+Mihm&camp=localsearch:on:byline:art)


Globe Correspondent / September 13, 2009

Since the global financial system started unraveling in dramatic fashion two years ago, distinguished economists have suffered a crisis of their own. Ivy League professors who had trumpeted the dawn of a new era of stability have scrambled to explain how, exactly, the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression had ambushed their entire profession.

Amid the hand-wringing and the self-flagellation, a few more cerebral commentators started to speak about the arrival of a “Minsky moment,” and a growing number of insiders began to warn of a coming “Minsky meltdown.”

“Minsky” was shorthand for Hyman Minsky, a hitherto obscure macroeconomist who died over a decade ago. Many economists had never heard of him when the crisis struck, and he remains a shadowy figure in the profession. But lately he has begun emerging as perhaps the most prescient big-picture thinker about what, exactly, we are going through. A contrarian amid the conformity of postwar America, an expert in the then-unfashionable subfields of finance and crisis, Minsky was one economist who saw what was coming. He predicted, decades ago, almost exactly the kind of meltdown that recently hammered the global economy.


In recent months Minsky’s star has only risen. Nobel Prize-winning economists talk about incorporating his insights, and copies of his books are back in print and selling well. He’s gone from being a nearly forgotten figure to a key player in the debate over how to fix the financial system.


But if Minsky was as right as he seems to have been, the news is not exactly encouraging. He believed in capitalism, but also believed it had almost a genetic weakness. Modern finance, he argued, was far from the stabilizing force that mainstream economics portrayed: rather, it was a system that created the illusion of stability while simultaneously creating the conditions for an inevitable and dramatic collapse.


In other words, the one person who foresaw the crisis also believed that our whole financial system contains the seeds of its own destruction. “Instability,” he wrote, “is an inherent and inescapable flaw of capitalism.”

Minsky’s vision might have been dark, but he was not a fatalist; he believed it was possible to craft policies that could blunt the collateral damage caused by financial crises. But with a growing number of economists eager to declare the recession over, and the crisis itself apparently behind us, these policies may prove as discomforting as the theories that prompted them in the first place. Indeed, as economists re-embrace Minsky’s prophetic insights, it is far from clear that they’re ready to reckon with the full implications of what he saw.


In an ideal world, a profession dedicated to the study of capitalism would be as freewheeling and innovative as its ostensible subject. But economics has often been subject to powerful orthodoxies, and never more so than when Minsky arrived on the scene. Continued... (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/09/13/why_capitalism_fails?page=2)

Havet
18th September 2009, 09:26
Reading socialist discussion for me has become like reading a book, then a crappy sequel, followed by a crappier sequel, followed by the worst sequel yet, followed by the worst sequel ever. There's enough people out there talking about why capitalism doesn't work and they're right, it doesn't, but you aren't doing a whole lot of good with that trillion-cell megaprocessor in your skull if all you can do is give outputs identical to the inputs.

Why does capitalism suck? It's a countereffective, immoral, expensive, arbitrary, inefficient, and competition-killing bureaucracy driven by political posturing and run by idiots. Of course, this describes all other political systems in the history of the world. Let's not go over this shit again.

We all know by now that taxation is bad, civil liberties restrictions are bad, bailouts are bad, exploitation is bad, and prohibition is bad. When we forget this, in case we ever do, it doesn't take a lot of time at revleft to remember this, since many seem so eager to hammer it in at times. Let's not go over this shit again.

The state is a logically indefensible institution containing countless unresolvable contradictions. Corporations are legal fictions granting limited liability. Okay, we know this. Shut up.

bcbm
18th September 2009, 09:58
what does your rant have to do with an article that definitely is not by a socialist and isn't so much about how capitalism sucks as detailing the theories of a lesser-known economist who is now attracting a lot of interest? did you even read it?

Havet
18th September 2009, 10:50
...isn't so much about how capitalism sucks ...

Then why did you market the thread as: "WHY CAPITALIZM SUX" ?

Yes I read it. Many people "predicted" the current crisis, even some Miseans. So what? We ALREADY KNOW capitalism creates this.

bcbm
18th September 2009, 11:00
Then why did you market the thread as: "WHY CAPITALIZM SUX" ?

what are you talking about? i didn't "market" anything. i posted an article i thought was interesting and titled the thread after the title of the article.


Yes I read it.

but you didn't know the title?


Many people "predicted" the current crisis, even some Miseans. So what? We ALREADY KNOW capitalism creates this.

i thought it was an interesting article that people here might like to read. why don't you just calm down a bit?

Havet
18th September 2009, 11:04
what are you talking about? i didn't "market" anything. i posted an article i thought was interesting and titled the thread after the title of the article.

So why are you claiming the article itself has little to do with the title, when I proceeded to comment on the title?


i thought it was an interesting article that people here might like to read. why don't you just calm down a bit?

I'm not calm for the reasons mentioned above: we already know this, you are not bringing anything new, and we do not need any more ideological consistence. Action is what is needed.

bcbm
18th September 2009, 11:19
So why are you claiming the article itself has little to do with the title, when I proceeded to comment on the title?

nowhere did i claim that the title doesn't have anything to do with the article, but that your interpretation of the title, or rather my "marketing" of it as it relates to the article is incorrect.


I'm not calm for the reasons mentioned above: we already know this, you are not bringing anything new, and we do not need any more ideological consistence. Action is what is needed.

i wasn't trying to "bring something new," i was posting an article that i thought was interesting and that others here might enjoy. this is an internet discussion board, after all, so posting reading material seemed more relevant than whatever "action" would mean in this context.

Bud Struggle
18th September 2009, 16:41
FWIW: capitalism didn't fail. It had a setback. capitalism ALWAYS has successes and setbacks. Caoitalism isn't a planned economy so there will be good years and bad years--it's just how things work.

Failure is lwhen the Soviet Union failed--it came crashing down or when China gave up any attempt at being Communist (at least economically.) A stock market crash now and then and an occasional government bailout is the way Capitalism works these days. It's what Capitalism has morphed into. I don't actually think that it's a good thing--but that is what it is.

#FF0000
18th September 2009, 17:08
Capitalism doesn't fail -- it just ensures that things will be exceedingly shitty at least half of the time.

Bud Struggle
18th September 2009, 17:12
Capitalism doesn't fail -- it just ensures that things will be exceedingly shitty at least half of the time.

Half the time? You are being pretty darn generous. :D

Havet
18th September 2009, 17:55
Half the time? You are being pretty darn generous. :D

Bud, what's with the constant avatar switch? It's kinda annoying (not in a bad way!) that every time I look at a post of yours I see che guevara cooking, or princess diana, or someone else, lol.

What is your motivation behind constant avatar metamorphosis ?

Muzk
18th September 2009, 18:01
Half the time? You are being pretty darn generous. :D



Fuck yes. Half of the time for half of the people. Remember the rich ones stay in office, the lower workers get kicked out.

And I don't think the third world sees better days when there's a high for capitalism either.


And when it gets this setback, they'll need more, more, MORE markets to climb out of this hole. Goddamn. 'Growth is our way out!'

They tend to forget that the planet won't grow, and the problems will not be solved when the rich get even richer.

THE WORKERS CRY OUT FOR BREAD
The merchants cry out for markets.
The unemployed were hungry.
The employed
Are hungry now.
The hands that lay folded are busy again.
They are making shells.
:p