selfdefence law internationally.

[mannetje]

I'm curious what revlefters from differnt countries can tell me about the right to for instance: killing somebody out of selfdefence? Do you get punished in your country for instance: if you shoot down a burglar who is on your property and is a threat against you or your family? and how do you think about killing out of selfdefence in general? I'm totally for the right to protect yourself by any means necessary. But in my country if a burglar comes in to your house and you only hit him the face with your bear fist. the burglar can start a case against you for fysical-abuse. I know an example of a in holland living turkish man who opened a restaurant. and was getting herassed by kurdish extortionists. he didn't took it and bought a gun, and the first time they came back, he killed one of them. and the judge gave him a six year prison sentence. that man did his best to start his own business, make it in life, and he kills some parasitic mob leaches threating him, and he looses everything his life is about. I visited him sometimes and he turned totally insane. I'm a shamed for my government about this.:crying:

[rebelmouse]

question about kurdish and turkish is very sensible. it was better for him to gather friends or family and protect himself, although you didn't explain so much what was concretely problem. kurdish are harrased by turkish state, and they fight there, I never heard that kurdish attack turkish people in west europe but sometimes it can be happen. in any case, some people can become insane in prison because of problems with prison guards and other prisoners, there is hierarchy in prison and director rule with help of strongest prisoners. in order to be strongest, many must be beaten. prison is dirty situation and hard for people who don't swim good in such river.

self defense:
quite naturally, property can't be more important than human life. you can't kill someone just because he come in in your house to steal whatever.
I would not be paranoic if I see someone in my house until he attacks me. you could take something to protect yourself for any case, but you should not attack him until you are sure that he wants to attack you. but it is always problematic to make balance in such situations.
my opinion is that people can protect themselves in the sense of killing, when their life is in danger. I think the law say the same.

[el_chavista]

Here in Venezuela, killing someone who was going to kill you is not penalized, but it has to be probed in a trial.

[mannetje]

question about kurdish and turkish is very sensible. it was better for him to gather friends or family and protect himself, although you didn't explain so much what was concretely problem. kurdish are harrased by turkish state, and they fight there, I never heard that kurdish attack turkish people in west europe but sometimes it can be happen. But the kurdish people really dislike the turkish-people And kurdish organized criminals. do what ever they can, to be a burden to turkish people in holland. and the concrete problem was that they where threatening him and his family.

[La Comédie Noire]

Here in Massachusetts you're only allowed to use "equal force" and what's necessary to get out of harms way.

[Outinleftfield]

Even though I agree its better to avoid violence if you can in situations like that you have very little time to think. People who wouldn't ordinarily use violence against anyone become reasonably afraid in these situations. These people are not generally a threat to society. Whether it would've been better for them to exercise restraint when someone was going in their house its understandable if they think the person might intend to kill them. Police get off all the time when they kill someone who turns out to be unarmed by just claiming they thought they saw the person reaching for a gun. Yet hypocritically people go to prison all the time even when it was very reasonable for them to think they were in danger. There was even a man sentenced to death when a police officer broke into his house unnannounced for a no knock drug raid. The man had no drugs in the house and thought the man breaking in was a burglar. I think most people would think their lives were in danger in that case. In fact his life and the life of his son could've been in danger. Cops in drug raids often act rash and careless. Elderly women, pets, and even children have been killed in drug raids where no drugs were found.

So while I think its best to avoid violence if in a situation its reasonable for the person to have thought their life was in danger when being attacked or when their home is invaded then it should be considered self-defense.

[rebelmouse]

But the kurdish people really dislike the turkish-people And kurdish organized criminals. do what ever they can, to be a burden to turkish people in holland. and the concrete problem was that they where threatening him and his family.

I understand that Kurdish forgot to hate turkish ruling class instead to hate ordinary Turkish. but it is long problem, many Turskih are nationalists and possibly they participate in discrimination of Kurdish. it is complex problem, the same situation face foreigners from third world countries in Europe, not only governments, than nationalists and patriots make life harder for foreigners. therefore some foreigners can get idea to harass domestic people. although my opinion is that they should harass ruling class, but people are without revolutionary consciousness so we can't expect from them to think like we think.
beside it, if Kurdish are organizing criminal acting, if I understood you good, I could say also: Turkish brought many years heroin into west europe (in newer time, Albanians do it). so, I don't see what is the point about generalizing of "Kurdish are criminals". anybody can become criminal, especially foreigners who don't have access to welfare/wohlstand of west europe (refused about job, refused about medical care, etc, so people become criminals in order to reach normal life).

[mannetje]

[QUOTE=rebelmouse;1549488] I don't see what is the point about generalizing of "Kurdish are criminals".[QUOTE]

I never said that Kurdish are criminals. I don't like to generalize.

And I totally can understand that if you don't have any access to resources, becoming criminal is an easy choice.