The Counter Reaction

[MilitantAnarchist]

I'm sure anyone thats been reading my posts recently, will see my anger towards our movements apathy regarding the recent right wing activity...
The EDL say they are a 'reaction' to what the muslim community has been doing with regards to, well everything... so i propose that all of us have somthing to answer them... A group called The Counter Reaction.
I will get to work on some leaflets and blogs and what not (all help will be appreciated), and we start being organised and active under one unified banner.
We'll have real messages and the truth to what the right is saying and recruiting under at the minute... We wont just have an antifascist stance, but also spread some truths about the capitalist shit we are living under to.
I know there are plenty of groups already doing all this, but its so splintered and clouded, any message or publicity is completely lost. On the face, we are the losing team, just look at numbers that dont even really matter, stormfront uk has 241 viewing the forum, from the uk alone... you can argue that it is just a more popular site, but thats a hell of a lot of fuckers... any uk left or anarchist forum wont have no way near that amount, and it is because our message is being lost... Sorry to ramble, but i think something drastic needs to be done....

The Counter Reaction

[Holden Caulfield]

I think the antifa banner is good enough, in Europe it has and is working, only in the UK with the rather centralized yet not at all centralized (ask me if you dont get what I mean) is the antifa banner not working as well as it should.

I do think cultural events and literature around the antifa banner are needed and I've had plenty of ideas myself, but we need to get to a wider movement. We need to contact anarchist groups and for us to work together on such things, but also for people to act with their bodies and come along to demos and be active.

So yeah good idea, but not needed a new name in my view

[MilitantAnarchist]

Its not a new name as such, its just gathering all groups together and giving us a new banner, its more of a movement i guess... against all the bullshit.
Its just an idea to give it fresh blood and new interest, recruit new people... we dont want anyone going to the piss poor fuckwits at UAF.
I know what i mean, and i know what you mean to... At the minute its just a case of clichés with 'flogging a dead horse' or 'preaching to the converted', i'm just trying to fucking do somthing! anything! Because what we're seeing now, peoples attitudes and acceptance levels is fucking crazy!
I dunno man, i'm just brain storming here.... as you can see, Antifa is quiet throuh all this, for whatever reasons im sure are good, but if you are seeing all this shit on tv and on the street and your either 'undecided' or 'looking for answers' the only people that anyone can here or see is the right wing... thats all i'm saying, and forgive the bullshit i'm about to say, but we need to make antifascism 'cool' and 'infamous'.
Just... man i dunno, im gettin so stressed about the whole thing, we cant just do nothing...

[Pogue]

Who do you speak for when you say 'we can't do nothing'? Because there are those of us who are doing alot more than nothing.

I agree with Holden about how Antifa in this country needs to be perked up. Obviously this is not something we can really meaningfully discuss here, so if anyone else is concerned by this I'd suggest getting in contact in the real world.

I understand your frustration MilitantAnarchist, all I can say is get involved. Don't fret about the NF or EDL, they are rag tag bunches of pissed up hooligan twats, we can handle that, but we need to step up our movements generally if we want to tackle fascism I agree.

[MilitantAnarchist]

I agree we cant talk about anything on here... and i am pissed off about all this, im 100% Antifa, and im not saying we scrap that... and i no we arent doing 'nothing' but if you compare it to the right, then it looks like we are doing nothing, in the public perception. If you look at G20 protests, that shows what we can do when we all get together. If we (the british public) had that much passion about other shit then the right wing would be able to fucking breath let alone organise.

[MilitantAnarchist]

I meen, imagine the scene.... EDL or BNP or whoever turn up for their angry protest, boasting that 'ahhaaa now we have 500 people for our cause' and they are met with over 3000 people, all saying FUCK YOU, YOU ARE NOT MY VOICE! You think they would ever show up anywhere again? And if they did, they are met by more people, saying the same fucking thing... Where is that spirit? It is there, G20 proved that, we just need to capture it

[Stand Your Ground]

I agree. We need solidarity in numbers...new members...more people. That's how I believe we'll get shit done. I wish I lived in the UK...:(

[AlMack]

its a double edged sword, people rally around an antifa banner, but official organisation names link people to events & makes the authorities jobs easier

[The Ungovernable Farce]

I meen, imagine the scene.... EDL or BNP or whoever turn up for their angry protest, boasting that 'ahhaaa now we have 500 people for our cause' and they are met with over 3000 people, all saying FUCK YOU, YOU ARE NOT MY VOICE!
To be fair, our side did get well over 1000 in Harrow. It's not that far off.

[MilitantAnarchist]

Yea i know, which is good, but it didnt stop them from the protest after that, and it wont stop them atall.... but you cant say that there is any real resistance from our side, its not good enough right now, nobody can deny that.
And yea giving oursevles a name makes authorities jobs easier, but its done wonders for the EDL....
Im not saying everyone here is gonna agree, in fact it looks like no fucker does agree, but alot of other people do agree, so im gonna do my best to get a organised resistance with or without your lots help...
I dont want bullshit reasons like 'but the police...' or some other cop out thing, why is it not a good idea to really oppose EDL with a 100% direct aim at them and others like them? It can only be a good thing cant it?

[Holden Caulfield]

We are with you comrade, but we only have doubted the practicalities. I'm not having a pop at you but you seem too head strong you need to remember the timeless maxim of:

"Don't get angry, get organized"

And I know you are trying to get organized and their are many issues that you will face but just be careful. (I dont mean to sounds like a dickhead all the time, it just happens :s)

Try to get to the anarchist bookfair and talk to some antifascists there see what they think about things, bring like minded individuals together but always be security conscious (getting the activists handbook would be a good idea) and start to gather intelligence on your local fascists.