what do people think here what's gonna happen when your die?.

[mannetje]

What do you think what's gonna happen whit you when you die?
I believe that i will not even notice it when I'm dead, everything's fading to black and you will letterly rest for ever.

[Black_Flag]

The worms will devour my corpse.

Lovely and morbid :thumbup1:

[mannetje]

The worms will devour my corpse.

Lovely and morbid :thumbup1:
I'm gonna be burned in one of those big ovens. ashes to ashes.:laugh:

[Pogue]

depends on how it is, how quickly it happens. i guess its like when you fall asleep, and then what it was like before you were born

[mannetje]

depends on how it is, how quickly it happens. i guess its like when you fall asleep, and then what it was like before you were born
yes it depends on how it is. I almost died in a fire. I had heavy smoke poisoning. I slept right thru the fire. firemen woke me up. that felt like a very scary way to die. and once i had a motorcycle accident on the moment like 1 second before the crash I thought (I was very calm on that moment by the way) now I'm dead and I felt at peace with it. but I only damaged my legs by that accident. I prefer to die of old age.

[Pogue]

yes it depends on how it is. I almost died in a fire. I had heavy smoke poisoning. I slept right thru the fire. firemen woke me up. that felt like a very scary way to die. and once i had a motorcycle accident on the moment like 1 second before the crash I thought (I was very calm on that moment by the way) now I'm dead and I felt at peace with it. but I only damaged my legs by that accident. I prefer to die of old age.

I'd like to die when I'm ready really, whenever that is. Obviously I'd like it to be quick, by which I mainly mean I don't want to say, get a terminal illness at a young age and get weaker and weaker till I cop it.

I don't think I fear death. I fear being detached or weakened or vulnerable, i.e. losing my capacity to do something which would let me lead a normal life and having to live with that, and like all humans I don't want to experience pain, but death, I don't think I fear. I don't think I can have much of an opinion on it really, as its not something I'll experience, it'll just happen, and I will cease to exist just like I did before I was born. Without sounding too wierd I find that quite interesting and exciting, it blows my mind.

[mannetje]

quote: I don't think I fear death.

when i was a kid a was extremely scared to die, i got hypochondric always thought that i had cancer. but now i've accepted death. I see it as the only security i have in life.

[Искра]

Have some one read Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita?
In that book Devil kills one Bolshevik and sends him to "non existence" since guy don't believe in God. So, I guess that we all go to "non existence" and that's pretty cool.

Btw. people are not scared of death. They are scared of pain and the fact that no one will remember them.

[brigadista]

i dont care as long as i have a cool headstone

[mannetje]

Have some one read Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita?
In that book Devil kills one Bolshevik and sends him to "non existence" since guy don't believe in God. So, I guess that we all go to "non existence" and that's pretty cool.

Btw. people are not scared of death. They are scared of pain and the fact that no one will remember them.
like I said, you will rest for ever.:)

[RedAnarchist]

A fear of dying is rational, a fear of death is not.

This life that we have is almost certainly the only time we will have, and after it we will not experience anything, not feel anything, not think anything. Our bodies will rot and we will become food for worms, maggots etc. We can only achieve immortality through the people we affected, a vicarious afterlife.

[Killfacer]

Because what we do in life, ECHOES IN ETERNETY!

http://thomaswilson.intheteam.com/site/images/6376/Gladiator022wallpapers.jpg

[mannetje]

[QUOTE = RedAnarchist; 1547628] Een angst om te sterven is rationeel, een angst voor de dood is niet.

Dit leven dat we hebben is bijna zeker de enige keer dat we zullen hebben, en nadat wij niet zullen ervaren niets, niet voelen niets, niet denken niets. Onze lichamen zullen rotten en wij zullen voedsel voor wormen, maden etc. Wij kunnen alleen onsterfelijkheid te bereiken door de mensen die we getroffen, een plaatsvervangende hiernamaals. [/ QUOTE] i've heard a quote that if you are remebered you never really be dead, or something like that.

[NecroCommie]

It's cool, because when I'm dead, I don't care if I'm dead or not. I just am. :cool:
EDIT: ... Well, actually not, but you get the point.

[Eat the Rich]

If a die the world is gonna be a better place. That's all.

[rednordman]

I like the old talk with marx version of the afterlife. Problem is that its only supposed to last for a certain amount of time. What happens after that?? In a way, im scared of death. I do not live like im scared of death however.

[☭World Views]

Maybe the eatable parts of my body would be re-distributed according to the needs of the proletariat. Idk

[mannetje]

I suggested once to re[use the corpses of nazi fuckers as virtalizer to grow crops. but I heard that the (i don't know the upcoming word in english so i translate it letterly from dutch) souer-grade in the human body is too high for growing crops.
that's a shame with that way those nazi's could be maked usefull.:laugh:

[Plagueround]

Remember what it was like before you were born?

Me either.

[Comrade B]

A massive state funeral, you will all be obligated to be there. There will be two months of mourning, and then you will all worship my corpse for the next 3000 years; the second coming of me.
If in 3000 years you are still doing this and it doesn't happen, base it off the end of some random calender from a dead civilization... or maybe another 1000 years should do it... or 1 year...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Remember what it was like before you were born?

Me either.

This!

[Il Medico]

You fertilize a tree.

[Black Sheep]

When we die, we leave the 3D illusion and our 7-dimensional self projects him/herself on another 4-dimensional plane.

[rednordman]

Remember what it was like before you were born?

Me either.Oh come on! Do you remember what it was like to be in a pram?-you where alive then yet you probably will not remember it.

[9]

depends on how it is, how quickly it happens. i guess its like when you fall asleep, and then what it was like before you were born

this.
The answer changes, of course, if you change "what happens when you die" to "what happens when you're dying". A few years ago my grandmother died of cancer, and I flew down to see her in her last days; she'd become conscious briefly for moments every now and then, but her conception of time and reality was completely fucked. Everything she said to me during that time was neither relevant to the present nor directed at me in the sense that she knew me. Several times she asked for her "baby dolls to play with", and the last day, after a very long spell of complete unconsciousness, she awoke with a huge smile on here face and said "I was at the dance" and then drifted back into unconsciousness and died a few hours later without ever becoming visibly conscious again. It could have simply been that she was dreaming like any other sleeping person, but it seemed different to me - like she was reliving her childhood or experiencing events from her youth.
Oh look, I've gone into a rant in response to a question which isn't even the question asked in the thread, why do I do this.

[mannetje]

Oh look, I've gone into a rant in response to a question which isn't even the question asked in the thread, why do I do this.[/QUOTE] don't bother that seems normal here.

[RedAnarchist]

Oh come on! Do you remember what it was like to be in a pram?-you where alive then yet you probably will not remember it.

Alive being the operative word there.

[Angry Young Man]

I go to the great gig in the sky where I spend much of my time with Kurt Cobain and Joe Strummer winding up Ted Nugent

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I think Mictlantecuhtli will take your bones.

[NecroCommie]

I go to the great gig in the sky where I spend much of my time with Kurt Cobain and Joe Strummer winding up Ted Nugent
... And Jimi Hendrix!

[Pirate Utopian]

I go to the great gig in the sky where I spend much of my time with Kurt Cobain and Joe Strummer winding up Ted Nugent
If there's a heaven I surely hope Ted Nugent isnt there.

[NecroCommie]

If there is heaven, it is Lenin, Marx, Trotsky and me arguing society philosophy.

EDIT:
On the other hand:

Marx: This...
Lenin: agreed...
Me: agreed
Trotsky: but!...
All: Shut up!

[mannetje]

[QUOTE=NecroCommie;1549863]If there is heaven,[QUOTE] I knew a lot of christians. and if I gotta believe them on how heaven should be, then heaven is a lazy place. and that you get everything you want just for doing nothing.

If i have to be in a place where there is nothing usefull to do. and that for eternity. i would kill myself. (oh that's not possible i'm dead already) wow what a hell. I;m glad that i don't believe in that.:D

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think Mictlantecuhtli will take your bones.

He/she/it can have them. I'll be beyond caring.

[Angry Young Man]

If there's a heaven I surely hope Ted Nugent isnt there.
The great gig in the sky is the life-eternal of rock and roll stars, and given the wide span of quality of rock and roll stars, one has to construe that it is not a bi-partite place for the virtuous and the wicked. It'll be sort of like Hades, only without the music ban. Because it'd be amoral, rival tribes will form. When I go, chances are my place will be among Kurt Cobain and Joe Strummer and the like.

Do you think Jimi'd be up for some Nugent-baiting? That'd be fucking BOSS!

[Pirate Utopian]

But Ted Nugent is godawful, if heaven's so great I dont wanna hear any Nugent!

[Le Libérer]

Back when I had religion and God to comfort me, I thought I would spend eternity with my partner, Theo who died 5 years ago. That thought was very comforting. Its gone now.
But the last 3 years of fighting cancer (and winning I might add) has made me realize my mortality. And it really pisses me off.

But yeah, I read those moments before death, your brain chemistry "prepares" you to soon turn off. I believe those dream and visions people have right before death is just that. Notice how everyone sees beautiful things, or white lights?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

But yeah, I read those moments before death, your brain chemistry "prepares" you to soon turn off. I believe those dream and visions people have right before death is just that. Notice how everyone sees beautiful things, or white lights?

My understanding is that that's a result of different parts of the brain shutting down.

[Il Medico]

Back when I had religion and God to comfort me, I thought I would spend eternity with my partner, Theo who died 5 years ago. That thought was very comforting. Its gone now.
But the last 3 years of fighting cancer (and winning I might add) has made me realize my mortality. And it really pisses me off.

Religion is basically a comfort thing in my opinion, it was for me anyways. I would never take that comfort away from anyone because, well knowing that those who have died are gone for good is horribly depressing. Perhaps the only benefit of not believing in an after life is that you may try hard to make due with the time you have left with certain people. That said, when it comes to an afterlife, I hope I'm wrong.

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Religion is basically a comfort thing in my opinion, it was for me anyways. I would never take that comfort away from anyone because, well knowing that those who have died are gone for good is horribly depressing.

Yeah, I "converted" my mother to atheism a couple years before her mother died. Probably as a result, she just completely did not know how to cope with the death of her mother, and she became extremely depressed. I think I will always feel horrible guilt for having done that..

[Sam_b]

I'll probably get kicked from the CC due to inactivity.

[Pogue]

I'll probably get kicked from the CC due to inactivity.

haha best response so far.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'll probably get kicked from the CC due to inactivity.

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Nicely played sir.

[Le Libérer]

Yeah, I "converted" my mother to atheism a couple years before her mother died. Probably as a result, she just completely did not know how to cope with the death of her mother, and she became extremely depressed. I think I will always feel horrible guilt for having done that..
What sealed my atheism is when my daughters baby died a day before she was due to go into labour. Not just the part where , Fuck you God for doing this to my child thing, but that the cord wrapping around the babies neck has nothing to do with God. It was no ones fault. Not Gods, not my daughters. It just happened.

My daughter miscarried again just 2 weeks ago. All she wants is a baby. She tells me, "Mom, you got to beleive in God, so when I get pregnant you can pray for it to be born and healthy. My reply is, "What if I am just here for you if you need anything. Will that work as well?"

Theres a part of me that thinks if she keeps miscarrying and cant have children, its my fault for not believing in God. That he will get me back by hurting my child. After all, look what he did to his own son. :unsure:

[Luís Henrique]

Yeah, I "converted" my mother to atheism a couple years before her mother died. Probably as a result, she just completely did not know how to cope with the death of her mother, and she became extremely depressed. I think I will always feel horrible guilt for having done that..
Yeah, I can relate... when my ex died, I was surprised by my MIL's decision to send the priest away (she's religious, kinda half-Catholic/half-Kardekist but I think she was angry at the Catholic hierarchy at the moment and there was no other religious service available).

So suddenly I found myself in the middle of a group of thirty or forty people staring at a coffin and... awaiting for a priest/rabbi/pastor/mullah to say something. Which is the reason I gave my first, and until this moment, only funeral speech. And that I discovered what the clergy serves for: to make some sence out of the death of people, at least in the minds of those of us who survive.

Luís Henrique

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What sealed my atheism is when my daughters baby died a day before she was due to go into labour. Not just the part where , Fuck you God for doing this to my child thing, but that the cord wrapping around the babies neck has nothing to do with God. It was no ones fault. Not Gods, not my daughters. It just happened.

My daughter miscarried again just 2 weeks ago. All she wants is a baby. She tells me, "Mom, you got to beleive in God, so when I get pregnant you can pray for it to be born and healthy. My reply is, "What if I am just here for you if you need anything. Will that work as well?"

Theres a part of me that thinks if she keeps miscarrying and cant have children, its my fault for not believing in God. That he will get me back by hurting my child. After all, look what he did to his own son. :unsure:

Well, first, I am very sorry about your daughter's miscarriages - I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it would be to deal with all the turmoil of pregnancy only to have it end in such devastation.
For me, it is impossible to actually understand the latent worry in the minds of many atheists (or religious people in general) that they may ultimately be (or are being) punished by God. My immediate family was never particularly religious; we went to Synagogue when I was little, but it was always really a "social" affair, and not a religious one. Even now, we "celebrate" the high holidays (Rosh Hashanah this weekend as a perfect example), but they are never religious affairs - just excuses to be with family and enjoy good food. I have an uncle and a late grandfather who studied Kabbalah, and they taught me some basic parts of it, but the parts they taught me never had any real religious substance; it was more, the mathematical methods by which to "find" the "alternate/hidden meanings" in the scriptures, which - due to my total inefficiency in reading Hebrew characters - I could never put into practice anyway. And, while my parents "believed" in God, in very vague terms, they never imposed any of this - even the general sentiment - upon me. So I was never religious. I've never been able to understand what it's actually like to have a belief in a god. I've had several episodes of acute depression in my life so far, and during many of them, I tried desperately to convince myself of a god, but I never succeeded. Two close friends of mine (they are sisters) were raised by Christian fundamentalist parents who pulled them from school when evolution was being taught and indoctrinated them with some of the most hateful aspects of religion from a very young age. During the same teenage "atheist crusade" that led me to eradicate any belief of God or afterlife in my mother, where I mistakenly believed that religion was the cause of all societal ills, I also convinced these two sisters that there was no God. They are both still atheists many years later, but they also talk frequently of the feeling they have in the back of their minds, that you expressed in your comment, that what if there is a God and he is somehow punishing them. They can also still not fully shake the fear of Hell that their parents ingrained in them. I wish I had something I could tell them, or you, to diminish these latent concerns, but I am at a loss...:( But I very much hope things turn for the better for you and your daughter. Like you said, the best thing you can offer her is just to be there for her. That praying is a futile effort, but emotional support is a powerful force.


Yeah, I can relate... when my ex died, I was surprised by my MIL's decision to send the priest away (she's religious, kinda half-Catholic/half-Kardekist but I think she was angry at the Catholic hierarchy at the moment and there was no other religious service available).

So suddenly I found myself in the middle of a group of thirty or forty people staring at a coffin and... awaiting for a priest/rabbi/pastor/mullah to say something. Which is the reason I gave my first, and until this moment, only funeral speech. And that I discovered what the clergy serves for: to make some sence out of the death of people, at least in the minds of those of us who survive.

Luís Henrique

Definitely. And it is that part of religion - making sense of death and being a source of comfort following the death of a loved one - that does, seemingly, serve a very valuable purpose. And I am not sure that that aspect of religion can ever be destroyed, nor do I really see any benefit in its destruction.