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KurtFF8
16th September 2009, 02:55
Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_patriot_act;_ylt=ApHC0JYnF2chB02Gf1QUQR6s0NUE;_ ylu=X3oDMTMwaGhwb2ZiBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwOTE2L3VzX3 BhdHJpb3RfYWN0BGNwb3MDNARwb3MDMQRwdANob21lX2Nva2UE c2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA29iYW1hc3VwcG9ydA--)


By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer – 42 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives.

As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law. Back in May, President Obama said legal institutions must be updated to deal with the threat of terrorism, but in a way that preserves the rule of law and accountability.

In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.

Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the administration is willing to consider stronger civil rights protections in the new law "provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important (provisions)."

Leahy responded with a statement saying it is important for the administration and Congress to "work together to ensure that we protect both our national security and our civil liberties."

The committee has scheduled a hearing next week on the Patriot Act.

From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.

The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.

The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.

Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.

"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."

I can't wait to see what those who went out and campaigned and voted for Obama have to say about this one.

GPDP
16th September 2009, 03:01
I always laugh when I see compromising statements like "we support this authoritarian measure, but done in a way so that it's not as authoritarian." This article was peppered with such bullshit.

KC
16th September 2009, 03:21
I can't wait to see what those who went out and campaigned and voted for Obama have to say about this one.

Obama has supported it since it was introduced, so they will probably say the same thing they always have about it.

KurtFF8
16th September 2009, 03:44
Obama has supported it since it was introduced, so they will probably say the same thing they always have about it.

Well he hasn't been a die hard supporter and has tried to distance himself from it for some time.

A lot of his supporters are progressive liberals who are quite opposed to it, however.

Revy
16th September 2009, 04:20
check out his approval ratings. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx)

and that's Gallup, which is one of the most pro-Obama polls out there, you can see how much it has changed and how approval has fallen and disapproval has risen. Rasmussen doesn't even poll the 18-24 demographic because it would skew the polls in favor of Obama, instead polling "likely voters".

Is it a benefit? I'm not sure. Certainly a lot of the disapproval is from conservatives. I'm hoping there will be more left-wing disapproval.

KurtFF8
16th September 2009, 04:21
Indeed, the left needs to step in and point out that you can't trust working within the bourgeois system to bring "real change"

GPDP
16th September 2009, 05:23
Well he hasn't been a die hard supporter and has tried to distance himself from it for some time.

A lot of his supporters are progressive liberals who are quite opposed to it, however.

Thing is, a lot of his liberal supporters have little to no idea where he stands on a wide range of issues. Paul Street documents this phenomenon in his book Barack Obama and the Future of American Politics. Many of the people who voted for him did so because they were enthralled by the whole "hope" and "change" marketing ploy rather than any specific agreement on where he stood on almost anything, other than a vague idea of his supposed opposition to the Iraq War.