what's the difference between nazi's and fascists?

[mannetje]

I'm getting a bit confused of all the differnt ism-names. offcourse I know what nazi's are, but what a fascist is exactly isn't very clear to me. I know That I really dislike those kind of people. they are racist assholes and that's enough for me to dislike them. (i know that this must be a very silly question but it is more simple for me if some explains it to me in understandable language.

[Aesop]

In simple terms all Nazis are fascist but not all fascist are Nazis.

The reasons why fascist are heavily despised by various political factions (ranging from anarchist to liberals) is because of the following:
Fascism is deeply elitist(social Darwinism)
Fascism is anti-rational. To fascist, people do not have the capability to understand reasoned analysis but need to be inspired by emotions and the Romanization of the past. Also they believe that communities are natural and we al have innate loyalties forged by the past. In simple terms this is a bonehead ideology.
Fascism embraces an extreme version of chauvinistic and expansionist nationalism i.e. war and conquest.
Fascism believes that the ultimate test is war ‘War is to men what maternity is to women’ by Mussolini.

Now Nazism is all this plus more:
Unlike fascism, Nazism sees the state as a mere ‘vessel’, to unite the ‘master race’.
The Nazis concept of ‘parasitism’, in which German greatness could never be assured until the elimination of the ‘sub-human’ races. This was the reason why Hitler therefore started a racial genocide (the holocaust).

So in theory it is possible to be a fascist and not be a racist, however in practise thats a different story

[Muzk]

Why would we care if someone is fascist but not a nazi?

If you're evil you're evil, and we shouldn't care if someone is evil evil.

Get it?

[Comrade Gwydion]

'Evil' is never a good word. Evil does not exist.

Fascists and Nazi's should be rooted out, any way possible. This makes them our enemy, it makes them very much wrong, it makes them disgusting, it makes them morally condemnable, it makes them pigs. But 'evil' is a concept I dont agree with.

Furthermore it's a matter of arguments.
A fascist you should counter with anti-authoritarian or anti-elitist arguments, while a nazi should be countered with anti-authoritarian and anti-rascist.

[ComradeOm]

well re(a)d summed up the major points well enough. Nazism (National Socialism) is a variant of fascism that draws heavily on both Italian Fascism and contemporary German racial thought. The result was a particularly vicious ideology in which the master-slave relationship of fascism was recast in racial tones. Throw in some long-standing German territorial ambitions (lebensraum) and you have a recipe for genocide

Its worth noting of course that both National Socialism and Italian Fascism were fairly nebulous ideologies and that both Hitler and Mussolini had no problem changing their policies if it proved an advantage. Both men were at heart political pragmatists (despite being surrounded by ideologues) and were first and foremost concerned with the conquest and maintenance of power


So in theory it is possible to be a fascist and not be a racist, however in practise thats a different story This I disagree with. Italian Fascism may not have had the same genocidal streak as National socialism but it was still a deeply racist ideology. Italian campaigns in Ethiopia, Libya, and the Balkans were all marked, to some degree, by the assumption of racial superiority. Often these policies were extremely violent

Today fascism in Italy is just as racist and xenophobia (http://www.revleft.com/vb/italian-neo-fascist-t117397/index.html?) as it was in Mussolini's day


Why would we care if someone is fascist but not a nazi?Why would you willingly close your eyes to the differences? And how can you expect to make the right analysis if you do so?

[KarlMarx1989]

Why would we care if someone is fascist but not a nazi?

If you're evil you're evil, and we shouldn't care if someone is evil evil.
Some one who is viewed as evil could be doing good in his / her own eyes.

[Black Sheep]

while a nazi should be countered with anti-authoritarian and anti-rascist. Not to mention that you have to bash the oxymoron of 'national socialism' and nationalism in general.