Obama and the American fringe right

[Die Rote Fahne]

This is a blog post I made yesterday:

Barack Hussein Obama and Obamacare Myths; The fringe right keeps on truckin':

While I am no active supporter of President Obama and his policies, I will not stand for idiocy spewing into the mainstream.

Anywho, for a while now, even during his campaign, the fringe right (I include the majority of the Republican Party in this category) have labeled US President Barack Obama as a socialist, fascist Muslim, racist, terrorist, Kenyan, Arab and an all around bad guy. Unsubstantiated rumors of death panels and government takeover are rampant from the right as Obama proposes health care reform. In this post I will do my best to debunk and make most of those points moot and unusable. Here goes nothin'.

Citizenship:

Well, this would be hilarious if it wasn't still widely used by the fringe right in America. First off, let's address his citizenship. He IS an American citizen, born in Honolulu, Hawaii. There is no valid argument against this. Factcheck.org has in fact debunked the idea that he is not a natural born citizen. (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) Although this particular conspiracy theory should be a moot point by now, many on talk-radio such as Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others still advocate it. It just boggles my mind that people are this stupid.

Religion:

Obama, first of all, was not raised in a religious household. In fact, he developed his religious beliefs in his adult life. In 1988 he became a member of, and was baptized at, "Trinity United Church of Christ" and remained there for 20 years, until some "controversial" statements made by Reverend Jeremiah Wright, which we can discuss the validity of at another time, led to his departure from the church. Once again there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim he is a Muslim apart from how he attended a Madrasah and had a Muslim father. Well, I attended a Christian school, church, and had religious Christian grandparents. I'm an Agnostic now. The burden of proof is upon the right.

Racism:

This was suggested by Glen Beck and others, but is not a widely used idea. I mean, Glen Beck could say the Earth IS round, I would have to then look it up to see if it is true.

Socialist and Fascist; taking away our rights and freedoms!:

This idea has come from the right wing as a whole pretty much. With tea baggers, talk radio idiots, FOX news, Joe "The tax evading, unlicensed plumber" Wurzelbacher and the now unemployed blogger Sarah Palin pretty much agreeing that he is a socialist and a fascist, we can see how the right has come to accept these ideas as true. This is notably a prime example of the right wing advocacy of an Idiocracy, which is a government made up of idiots.

Socialism and Fascism are on the opposite side of the spectrum. So, the first thing i will ask of the right is to choose one. Calling him both a fascist and socialist is, I paraphrase TheAmazingAtheist, "like looking at a triangle and calling it both a circle and a square". Both advocate different forms of government from each other, different economic and social structures, social and foreign policies. Socialism is based on class struggle, worker ownership of the means of production, secularism and the want of economic equality. Fascism is based on a nationalistic view of the homeland, maintaining social conservatism and serving the wealthy and corporations via a dictatorial military government whilst misleading it's public into believing that it is doing this for the worker. I could make a full blog post on the differences, but that's for another time.

Obama is neither of these. He is a capitalist. Not a free market capitalist, for sure, but a capitalist nonetheless. He advocates private ownership of the means of production and the profit motive. BHO has never supported the idea of class war, economic equality, a welfare state or revolution. Though you may consider proposing universal healthcare a socialist ideal. Well, it is, but so is having a public fire department, public police, public roads, public libraries, publicly funded disease research centers, etc. What about "redistribution of wealth (http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/19257)"? Well, go to the link and read away my friend. Fascism as anywhere near Obama's ideals is more substantial than calling him a socialist, but is still wrong. There are no correlations, apart form the corporatism and general tenedencies which has plagued the USA government for years. To quote George Carlin, "Germany lost the second world war, fascism won it...".

On the issue of rights and freedoms. Could you on the right be more specific as to what rights and freedoms have been taken away from you? I mean, aside from those Bush took away. Remember how you said nothing about that? Well, unless we on the left spoke out, then you told us to shut up and stop being un-American.

Obamacare:



Illegal immigrants will be covered. That is false. Although it would save tax payers money if illegals were allowed to purchase public option insurance.
Death Panels will be set up to decide if your child or grandparents will be put to death because they are not useful to society. That is false.
It is a government takeover. No, it is a Public Option, note the word option, to expand competition and lower costs. It will increase care given to you by making it illegal to deny you because of preexisting conditions.
Abortions will be funded by taxpayers. False.

You can go ahead and give me the quotes from the bill that prove otherwise. Burden of proof is once again upon the right.

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To conclude, it is completely unhelpful to the development and progression of a nation to push lies and propaganda to the point that it disrupts logic and reason. Obama is neither a socialist or fascist. He is an American, Christian, capitalist and he is not gonna kill your grand mama. All of you who still believe in these fallacies propagated from FOX News and Talk-radio, I hope you enjoy being an imbecile.

These are some of my news sources, check them out if your sick of CNN, FOX, CBS and NBC.

http://english.aljazeera.net/
http://www.democracynow.org/
http://commondreams.org/
http://therealnews.com/t/
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.cbc.ca/
http://www.presstv.com/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
http://www.haaretz.com/
http://www.reuters.com/
http://associatedpress.com/

[danyboy27]

if you are surprised that big HMO companies try to fight their way out by asking some right wing hater to smear shit stuff like that to undermine obama credibility then perhaps you need to get out of your puffy dream and see the reality.

this shit was expected, now the question is, will it work or fail?

[Brusilov(Conservative]

I agree with all written above in the 1st post, as a conservative. I agree that Obama was born in the U.S., and that he is technically "Christian."

I do not think that Obama is a Muslim. Actually, I think the truth is worse than that................ He is a black supremacist Christian. His wife is even a more zealous black supremacist(read her senior thesis.) I do think that the Obama's moderate their anti-white views for the sake of their political advancement.

Obama used to attend a church where "F*** Wh!tey" would be shouted from the pulpit, and crap recited that could have come straight from the mouth of Farrakhan. I would actually prefer that Obama be a Muslim than this.

[danyboy27]

I agree with all written above in the 1st post, as a conservative. I agree that Obama was born in the U.S., and that he is technically "Christian."

I do not think that Obama is a Muslim. Actually, I think the truth is worse than that................ He is a black supremacist Christian. His wife is even a more zealous black supremacist(read her senior thesis.) I do think that the Obama's moderate their anti-white views for the sake of their political advancement.

Obama used to attend a church where "F*** Wh!tey" would be shouted from the pulpit, and crap recited that could have come straight from the mouth of Farrakhan. I would actually prefer that Obama be a Muslim than this.
he is soo anti-white that 90% of his staff is composed of white, his bodyguard are white etc etc etc.

the pope was in the hitler youth and arnold had a fascist dad, but that dosnt make them fascist for that.

god, rich people can be paranoid sometimes.

[Brusilov(Conservative]

Obama still has to take baby steps towards promoting his favored-minorities agenda. He has to slowly phase out white males.

Just look at how he appointed a morbidly obese black woman as surgeon general, the nation's top health official, of all things. If that doesn't "literally" take the cake. The ultimate insult to good taste, if you ask me.

Obama couldn't just come in and appoint all blacks right away, as the American Public would never go for it. Nonetheless, he still wants to set up blacks as the dominant ethnic group in the USA, only he will have to gradually implement the transition as so not to wake the ire of the sleeping majority.

[Bankotsu]

Hey beware of user JohnnyC, he will find a pretext to use against you, back you in the back and put you on restricted.

[Annoying Person]

Man, if you believe things like factcheck are divine words, you're such an idiot. Also, Obama is obviously a racist, he wants the government to redistribute wealth from whites to blacks, and he had a racist pastor for years. Duh!

[SavagePostModern]

The whole American political process is retarded both Democratic and Republican.

Just when you think to yourself that a government couldn't possibly get any more retarded it surprises you by showing you that it can...........

[SavagePostModern]

if you are surprised that big HMO companies try to fight their way out by asking some right wing hater to smear shit stuff like that to undermine obama credibility then perhaps you need to get out of your puffy dream and see the reality.

this shit was expected, now the question is, will it work or fail?

I'm going to go with failure because I'm already reminded of two thousand somthing years of government failure..............

Although if you are a upper class or upper middle class member of society this comment need not apply to you because the upper class is the only group of people that benefit from having a government in place.

( And I believe that is the growing outrage of our generation when it concerns government.)

[Brusilov(Conservative]

Also, Obama is obviously a racist, he wants the government to redistribute wealth from whites to blacks, and he had a racist pastor for years. Duh!


Agreed. He wants to take half of the paychecks of whites and give the money to blacks. He is starting with socialized healthcare, in which working White Americans will be forced to support unemployed blacks, whom will make up the majority of the beneficiaries of Obama care. His overall goal is to take from whites and give to blacks.............. You can't give something to someone without taking away from someone else. For every minority affirmative-action boon baby appointed to his civil service, that means one fewer white and more lost white representation.

To let minorities run the country is like to let animals run the zoo. Senseless.

If Obamacare really goes through, I guarantee, there will be mobs of minorities at every hospital in the country in the ER rooms with their little cards. They will probably just go in to get out of the rain. Yet, they will block people with real emergencies. Socialized health care will never work in America because of all of the minorities with victim mentalities who will take advantage of the system and milk it for all it is worth. There will be too many people pulling out of the system and not enough contributors Besides, whites will not tolerate propping up unproductive black communities for very long. Obama's popularity is already sinking like a stone, his Obamacare is going to be defeated, and he will lose the 2012 reelection bid. Moderate whites are already tiring of his pro-black agenda, such as his bullheaded support for "Professor" Gates.

Obama's real goal is indeed redistribution of wealth from whites to blacks. He was a pro-black radical early in life before he had to temper his views to advance in mainstream politics. He has had to appoint a number of whites to posts to "keep up appearances." His wife, Michelle, is an even worse black supremacist than Obama.

Then again though, the clueless whites who voted for Obama should have known that they were also voting for a concurrent black-power agenda. Whites have no one to blame but themselves for allowing this to come to power.

By the way, Factcheck is not a reputable source. I believe that Obama was probably born in Hawaii, but nothing would surprise me.

[RGacky3]

Is there ANY evidence that what you batshit loonies are saying has ANY truth to it at all?

Where is there evidence that he wants to redistribute wealth to blacks?

Obama had the support of most of the buisiness community, did he fool all of them? (they are pretty smart when it comes to protectin their intrests, also the buisiness community is mainly white).

Your insane predictions of "Obamacare" can be simply refuted by looking at any other industrialized country, your simply batshit insane.

As too your racist and ignorant comments about minorities and their so-called "victim mentalities" your talking about, it seams almost too rediculous to respond too. Clearly your just a racist, perhaps ouy of ignorance and not maliciousness, but still a racist. If you would look at the context of what your talking about you'd realize its rediculous.

I can go through it if you want.

[Brusilov(Conservative]

I can go through it if you want.


Please go through it.

How is the context of what I am talking about "ridiculous."

No doubt though we will see the NAACP choir with the milquetoast liberals join in with the song of "racism." I wonder if they will tap dance too?

I have no doubt that many liberals would call me "racist" by the pantywaist standards of 2009. Of course, it is standard liberal SOP to call any conservative "racist" when they say anything that isn't PC or insults one of their favored people. If by "racist," you mean that I acknowledge cultural differences, then yes. I do believe that there are significant cultural and ethnic differences between peoples that are irreconcilable. I seriously doubt that anyone over the age of 13 really believes that the only component of race is skin color and facial structure, no matter how much they keep repeating it to themselves to believe it.

Sycophantic accusations of "racism" do not bother me in the slightest.

[danyboy27]

http://thelifestream.net/forums/images/smilies/1199834313745.jpg

[Brusilov(Conservative]

Well than that would make a mockery of your supposed pretentions to supporting free speech and all of that.

Anyway, go ahead and ban me, if you want to go the wussy road. I keep my activity in OI............ I said nothing "offensive" to black people. Refute with actual arguement.

[danyboy27]

Well than that would make a mockery of your supposed pretentions to supporting free speech and all of that.

Anyway, go ahead and ban me, if you want to go the wussy road. I keep my activity in OI............ I said nothing "offensive" to black people. Refute with actual arguement.

you are insinuating that Obama is anti-white even tho you have no real proof and insinuating that obama gave acces to a black women only beccause of her race, you insinuated that she was an incompetent beccause she was fat, you still dont have anything to back it up.

btw, morbid obesity is a health condition, its not something you can stop by yourself, the only way out of this is to have half of your guts cuts so it couldnt stack more food.

[Ele'ill]

I seriously doubt that anyone over the age of 13 really believes that the only component of race is skin color and facial structure

Yeah. So it's not really their nationality as much as it is where they grew up. Even the neighborhood in which one grew up can influence who they become as a person.

Example: A person of African decent living in a wealthy neighborhood in France and a poor German-American living in the ghetto.



Sycophantic accusations of "racism" do not bother me in the slightest.

Well, I guess not enough to elicit a response or anything. :rolleyes:

[Brusilov(Conservative]

insinuating that obama gave acces to a black women only beccause of her race, you insinuated that she was an incompetent beccause she was fat, you still dont have anything to back it up.


How can she fight this nation's obesity epidemic when she can not even lose weight herself? Obesity is this nation's #1 health problem, and the least she can do is set an example of health. Doctor, HEAL THYSELF!!!! Her appointment goes against all good taste and any sense.



btw, morbid obesity is a health condition, its not something you can stop by yourself, the only way out of this is to have half of your guts cuts so it couldnt stack more food.


Diet, Exercise, clean and modest living. There is no excuse for being overweight, as much as some whine about it. It just takes self discipline to lay off of the ho-hos and get on the treadmill. I know it is tough to shed pounds, but anyone can do it. Failure to do so is an indictment on the endemic weakness of western society. Hit the weights.



you are insinuating that Obama is anti-white even tho you have no real proof


Well, he went to the regular services of notoriously anti-white pastors for over a decade. These were Farrakhanesque services that made Malcolm X look like Mr. Rogers. He married a woman who wrote a senior thesis that was little more than a giant rant on how evil whites were and how they were only out to "oppress" minorities. It was all about how much Michelle hated coexisting with whites.

When the "professor" Gates incident occured, the first exact words out of Obama's mouth were, "I don't have all the facts, but I believe the police acted stupidly." Now why he even chose to comment without all of the facts can be gauged at, but it was clear that he automatically broke for the side of his "black studies" friend.

Obama sure had time to go to the big annual NAACP rally, but he skipped out on the annual policeman's rally in Washington D.C, and was the first president to do so since WWII. Shows where he stands, no doubt.

[danyboy27]

How can she fight this nation's obesity epidemic when she can not even lose weight herself? Obesity is this nation's #1 health problem, and the least she can do is set an example of health. Doctor, HEAL THYSELF!!!! Her appointment goes against all good taste and any sense.

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if she have a genetic condition she couldnt do much to change ier own condition.




Diet, Exercise, clean and modest living. There is no excuse for being overweight, as much as some whine about it. It just takes self discipline to lay off of the ho-hos and get on the treadmill. I know it is tough to shed pounds, but anyone can do it. Failure to do so is an indictment on the endemic weakness of western society. Hit the weights.

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it work for certain types of obesity, has i said earlier tiroid problem and other genetics problem cause obesity. how dare you just her if you dont know her past. yes she might be fat beccause of her own fault but it could also be a genetic condition. stop judging without knowing the fact.



When the "professor" Gates incident occured, the first exact words out of Obama's mouth were, "I don't have all the facts, but I believe the police acted stupidly." Now why he even chose to comment without all of the facts can be gauged at, but it was clear that he automatically broke for the side of his "black studies" friend.

LOL. you dont need to be black or withe to aknowledge the police stupidity in that particular situation. the cop over reacted on this one and only a racist fool like you who is affraid of black people would see in that incident an anti-white biais. cops arnt only white but black, white and yellow.






Obama sure had time to go to the big annual NAACP rally, but he skipped out on the annual policeman's rally in Washington D.C, and was the first president to do so since WWII. Shows where he stands, no doubt.

then again you judge something without any proof. show me the statement where he clearly said he didnt go to the policeman rally beccause he hated cops and white people? no? nothing? that what i was thinking, your whole reasonning against this man is an empty shell.

[Jazzratt]

Yes, the leader of a majority white nation is a fucking racist :rolleyes: Where the hell do you backbirths come from?

[RGacky3]

I have no doubt that many liberals would call me "racist" by the pantywaist standards of 2009. Of course, it is standard liberal SOP to call any conservative "racist" when they say anything that isn't PC or insults one of their favored people. If by "racist," you mean that I acknowledge cultural differences, then yes. I do believe that there are significant cultural and ethnic differences between peoples that are irreconcilable. I seriously doubt that anyone over the age of 13 really believes that the only component of race is skin color and facial structure, no matter how much they keep repeating it to themselves to believe it.


Cultural differences? You are saying that somehow people of certain colors have innately a victom mentality, and are unproductive, thats not acknowledging cultural differences. Or that somehow "minorities" innately want free rides.

Heres the facts, historically, black people for decades and decades have been oppressed and abused, relatively recently its slowed down a lot, but do you really thing black people are now at the same level? you can't erase decades of abuse in a couple years.

As for "unproductive", the reason black communities are unproductive is because there is no investment there, the reason there is no investment there is because the investors don't see a profit potential there, the reason theres no profit potential there is because most black communities are poor, and have been neglected for decades, there is nothing innately unproductive about those communities, anymore so than poor white communities are "unproductive"

Now about so called "illigal immigrants" (I personally think its insane to call someone illigal for living on a part of the earth), an interesting fact about my home state, the biggest industry in California is agriculture, and most of the farm workers are poor illigal immigrants, who are exploited and abused.

So I am not in the least PC, but a belief that certain races are innately lazy or whatever, IS racist.

BTW, any evidence of this so-called white to black redistribution?

There IS redistribution going on though, its been going on for decades, its the redistribution of wealth from the third world to the US elite, and from workers to the Capitalists (the workers create the wealth and hte capitalists take it, redistribution).


Diet, Exercise, clean and modest living. There is no excuse for being overweight, as much as some whine about it. It just takes self discipline to lay off of the ho-hos and get on the treadmill. I know it is tough to shed pounds, but anyone can do it. Failure to do so is an indictment on the endemic weakness of western society. Hit the weights.

I personally agree with you, but what does this have to do with anything we are talking about?


Well, he went to the regular services of notoriously anti-white pastors for over a decade. These were Farrakhanesque services that made Malcolm X look like Mr. Rogers. He married a woman who wrote a senior thesis that was little more than a giant rant on how evil whites were and how they were only out to "oppress" minorities. It was all about how much Michelle hated coexisting with whites.


If your going to go with peoples associations, shall we go over George Bushes "associations"?


When the "professor" Gates incident occured, the first exact words out of Obama's mouth were, "I don't have all the facts, but I believe the police acted stupidly." Now why he even chose to comment without all of the facts can be gauged at, but it was clear that he automatically broke for the side of his "black studies" friend.

That has nothing to do with someone being black, it would seam that way given the facts that were given.


Obama sure had time to go to the big annual NAACP rally, but he skipped out on the annual policeman's rally in Washington D.C, and was the first president to do so since WWII. Shows where he stands, no doubt.

With such bullshit insicnificant evidence, I could prove to you that George Bush was a Nazi.

The fact is your parenoid, and kind of a racist, also about the obamacare, you hav'nt shown why its not collapsed and ruined everyother country it works in? BUt somehow will in America?

I suggest to you conservative knuckle heads to stop just watching glennbeck and start actually learning about the facts.

[danyboy27]

nice post gacky
http://www.samibia.com/wp/racism.png

[Crurkean]

Personally I believe in everything the OP mentioned.

At the end of the day, the facts don't really matter.

What DOES matter is the Authentic Right is rallying around an all encompassing anti-Obamaite mythos :cool: and this is how revolutions are born. Read Georges Sorel! :thumbup: