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koo1917
13th September 2009, 07:20
41 million jobs lost in China

Mass job destruction as result of crisis - 40 percent of global sackings occured in China

chinaworker.info

China has lost up to 41 million jobs since the global capitalist crisis began last year, according to a report from a top government think-tank. This accounts for approximately 40 percent of redundancies around the world. Despite the government's big stimulus package and unprecedented bank credit loosening, 23 million - over half those made redundant - are still without work. The number of redundancies far exceeds the government's official figures and means that Chinese workers, who account for around one-fifth of the global labour force, but two-fifths of the job losses - have suffered disproportinately during the global crisis.
These startling figures are published in a new report from the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), the top government body for social research, in its annual Green Book on Population and Labour. The crisis of the last 12 months has caused the closure of tens of thousands of factories, especially in the export sector which is dependent on shrinking Western consumption.
Professor Cai Feng, director of the study, told the press that the funding contained in the government's stimulus measures, 4 trillion RMB (almost $600bn), was aimed at "GDP-boosting" rather than creating jobs. The authors say this sum could create 40 percent more jobs if invested differently, echoing other critics of the stimilus plan who point out that the imbalance towards prestigious infrastructure projects does not create so many new jobs.
The CASS report starkly contradicts official government estimates. Last month, China's Labour Minister said the crisis had caused "only" 16.5 million new unemployed, of which 9 million were migrants from rural areas. Once again this raises serious questions about the reliability of official statistics. China's official urban unemployment rate is only 4.3 percent, even this is the highest level since 1980, but a figure that cannot be taken seriously.
AFP quotes official sources as saying that three million university graduates, including those who left one year ago, are still without work. Of this year's leavers, 68 percent are said to have found work. "Hangzhou has lots of unemployed undergraduates now," said a job agency spokesman in the southeastern city, which has just launched "job hunting maps" to help graduates find work.

Asian jobs crisis
China and most of East Asia have been savaged by the capitalist crisis, despite all the "recovery" hype of recent weeks. The Asian Development Bank has estimated that jobs in the region's export industry fell by as much as 7 percent through the first quarter of 2009 from a year earlier. Once again this figure translates into tens of millions of lost jobs. Rising unemployment has been "more pronounced" in Asia's more advanced economies such as China, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, the ADB said in its report. It warned that jobless rates may also mask movements from manufacturing to "informal jobs" and growing underemployment. Taiwan's unemployment rate hit 6.01 percent in July, the highest rate since 1978. Japan's new government inherits a record post-war unemployment level of 5.7 percent.
Across the region there is a need for fighting trade unions, democratically controlled by their members, to refuse to accept redundancies and closures, to demand an opening of company accounts when bosses plead economic hardship, and to fight for a state takeover under democratic workers' control and management of any company threatening job cuts. It is urgent that unions help to organise the mass of unemployed, to fight for work or full pay, no return to mass poverty, and for a shorter working week without loss of pay. The capitalism system has demonstarted its rotteness and bankruptcy on a world scale. It must be replaced by a system of democratic socialism whereby big companies and banks are no longer casinos for the super-rich, but public resources run for and controlled by the people as a whole.

Luís Henrique
15th September 2009, 01:27
Ugh, China in a capitalist crisis... it's not going to be nice to watch.

Luís Henrique

RotStern
15th September 2009, 02:54
Oh fuck. That's terrible. 41 Workers fucked around by the capitalist system so the rich can save their ass. :cursing::cursing:

BIG BROTHER
15th September 2009, 06:56
Is interesthing if you note that the "Chinese miracle" just like all other countries that adopt capitalist policies and enjoy massive amounts of "growth" end up all the same. A crisis comes to burst the bubble and the crude face of brutal and decadent capitalism remains.

Tyrlop
19th September 2009, 10:03
I wonder if china got any trade unions? what countries in the world still don't got trade unions?

Q
19th September 2009, 10:05
I wonder if china got any trade unions? what countries in the world still don't got trade unions?
They have a state union in the good stalinist tradition of breaking independent working class organisation. Any independent unions are banned.

ezza_lv
19th September 2009, 10:18
well now everyone can see that China is really not a socialist country... I even start thinking that it is using the phrase ''Communist state'' to make communism look bad and in real way it is capitalistic... :(

bailey_187
20th September 2009, 18:32
Is interesthing if you note that the "Chinese miracle" just like all other countries that adopt capitalist policies and enjoy massive amounts of "growth" end up all the same. A crisis comes to burst the bubble and the crude face of brutal and decadent capitalism remains.

The "bubble" has not burst.

China's economy still grew by 8% last quarter.

Nor has China adopted the same policies as "all other countries".

bailey_187
20th September 2009, 18:35
They have a state union in the good stalinist tradition of breaking independent working class organisation. Any independent unions are banned.

However, much to your dissatisfaction, independent worker organisations it appears would not turn to Trotskyism, they would return to Mao Zedong thought

(this is not trolling, we are discussing how the workers of China may respond to the unemployment)

Tyrlop
29th September 2009, 14:52
so, now maoists answer me this: why have china become as it is now? is it maos faulth?? answer please

revolt4thewin
30th September 2009, 00:52
That is a sure sign of whats to come with the current depression. Just wait there is only months left for the pozi scheme that is the economy.

Psy
30th September 2009, 01:23
However, much to your dissatisfaction, independent worker organisations it appears would not turn to Trotskyism, they would return to Mao Zedong thought

(this is not trolling, we are discussing how the workers of China may respond to the unemployment)
Mao like Stalinist is obsolete for the current conditions of Russia and China, China like Russia is already heavily industrialized. They don't need someone to grow the means of production like Mao and Stalin did, their problem is demand for commodities is contracting and devaluing. Stalinism and Maoism can't return just like how feudalism can't return, the material conditions that allowed the economic systems of Stalin and Mao to function is long gone.

debase89
30th September 2009, 18:48
if we're losing jobs in china we'll be losing products in america since we buy everything from them. we need to start producing our own stuff, supporting american production etc, and get communism in the works for our future.

-debase

bailey_187
30th September 2009, 18:54
Mao like Stalinist is obsolete for the current conditions of Russia and China, China like Russia is already heavily industrialized. They don't need someone to grow the means of production like Mao and Stalin did, their problem is demand for commodities is contracting and devaluing. Stalinism and Maoism can't return just like how feudalism can't return, the material conditions that allowed the economic systems of Stalin and Mao to function is long gone.

Mao Zedong thought is not a specific doctrine, just Mao's contribution to Marxism-Leninism. and no one said they would repeat the great leap forward. I didnt say they were going to try to recreate the 50s,60s and 70s.

How does having an industrialised society prevent a Cultural Revolution though? It would just have different characteristics. Mao did more than industrialise you know.

bailey_187
30th September 2009, 18:54
if we're losing jobs in china we'll be losing products in america since we buy everything from them. we need to start producing our own stuff, supporting american production etc, and get communism in the works for our future.

-debase

Friedrich List in the hooooouse

bailey_187
30th September 2009, 19:04
so, now maoists answer me this: why have china become as it is now? is it maos faulth?? answer please

What do you mean "as it is now"?

the Economic success? The backyard furnace stuff and decentralization paved the way for the post-Mao townships etc
Also, had China followed a different path, and did not have the commanding heights of the economy publicly owned, which is a legacy of the Mao era, for SOE and public banks is usually frowned upon and is unlikley to be there if CCP had not taken power 60 years ago, China's economy would be in a much worse state than it is now

For the unemployment, no, Mao can not be blamed. Deng Xiaoping, Hu Jintao or whoever can.

The quantitative steps China has taken to Capitalism? Well it can be claimed that the GPCR led to the rise of the Right, but has the Right taken power and made friends with USSR again rather than staying independent, it seems very likley, like the rest of the USSR's old friends, the PRC would not be celebrating its 60th birthday tomorrow.

(I'm not a Maoist)

debase89
30th September 2009, 19:04
Freidrich List? wats that?

bailey_187
30th September 2009, 19:04
That is a sure sign of whats to come with the current depression. Just wait there is only months left for the pozi scheme that is the economy.

The chinese economy isnt a "ponzi scheme" and it would appear, is not about to collapse.

bailey_187
30th September 2009, 19:06
Freidrich List? wats that?

An economist that advocated protectionism, like your post (minus the Communism thing)

debase89
30th September 2009, 19:22
ah yeah i see. Well i'm not saying we should hate china, but we should look out for ourselves first is all.

Psy
30th September 2009, 21:23
Mao Zedong thought is not a specific doctrine, just Mao's contribution to Marxism-Leninism. and no one said they would repeat the great leap forward. I didnt say they were going to try to recreate the 50s,60s and 70s.

How does having an industrialised society prevent a Cultural Revolution though? It would just have different characteristics. Mao did more than industrialise you know.
The difference is now the proletariat is a majority and highly centralized in China thus no need for a Cultural Revolution as the Chinese industrial proletariat is now the largest class by far in China, meaning in a true democracy the Chinese industrial proletariat would simply overrule all other classes that wouldn't would have been the case in the 50's-70's.

In other words all Russia and China needs is the unleashing of the industrial proletariat (in a revolutionary way) as they are so massive they would crush all obstacles in their way due to the mass once they have the momentum of a revolution behind them.