The Collapse Of Socialist Support.

[mumba miss]

Why did our hopes so suddenly drop, we were building support worldwide, we had russian financial and media backing.
We were all united in the grip of socialist fevour.
Why do you think it all collapsed around us.

[Davie zepeda]

No unity to many splits and fighting among are self's

[Crux]

Why did our hopes so suddenly drop, we were building support worldwide, we had russian financial and media backing.
We were all united in the grip of socialist fevour.
Why do you think it all collapsed around us.
If you are talking about the Soviet Union the system was unsustinable, with a small clique at the top benefiting from the corruption and mishandling of the planned economy. And indeed many of those got out when the states crumbled down, leaving the workingclass to pay the bill as always. This also allowed the capitalist press to trumpet out things like "We won!" and the death of socialism. And with them many of the soviet-backed socialists turned their coats, along with the social democrats, dropping all the pretense. Of course this created an enormous backlash among the workingclass aswell.

I might refer to my political ideology by the names of old revolutionaries like Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, but the truth of the matter is socialism can never be a nostalgia trip. If that is what it becomes then we have lost. That those not mean that we should forget our history, like the socialdemocrats and most of the communist parties have. We must learn from our past, take strength from our past victories for the battles to come.

That is why the most important task today, as I and CWI sees it, is the struggle for the formation of new worker's parties. Not to repeat the old mistakes of stalinism and reformism, but to stand in the revolutionary tradition, and as Marx put it in the Manifesto "be the movement of the future in the movement today".

Today capitalism is at it's biggest crisis since the 1930's. Comrades, we have momentum, when this tide turns, when the arguments about us "all being in the same boat" seem even more hollow and the workingclass are left with nothing but crumbs, indeed less than they had before, the ghost of communism will be more than just a ghost.

[mumba miss]

wise words Comrade

[robbo203]

Why did our hopes so suddenly drop, we were building support worldwide, we had russian financial and media backing.
We were all united in the grip of socialist fevour.
Why do you think it all collapsed around us.

Socialist fervour? What the hell has this got to do with the Soviet state capitalist dictatorship. Good bloody riddance to that regime I say. It was a massive hindrance to the socialist movement and probably more than any other factor was responsible for deluding millions of otherwise well meaning individuals down a historical cul de sac over several decades.

With its disappearance and that of oher pseudo socialist regimes past and present we can now get on with the project of advancing a genuine socialist alternative to capitalism with a greater awareness of what signposts we need to ignore and what we need to heed

[mumba miss]

i was not talking about the soviet union, i meant the worldwide organisations, pushing for socialism, equality and for revolution.
I am no stallinist

[Stranger Than Paradise]

i was not talking about the soviet union, i meant the worldwide organisations, pushing for socialism, equality and for revolution.
I am no stallinist

But what were you describing in the initial post? Russia media and financial backing? What was this?

[robbo203]

i was not talking about the soviet union, i meant the worldwide organisations, pushing for socialism, equality and for revolution.
I am no stallinist

So what was that about Russian support and backing if no a reference to the so called Soviet Union. In any case what the hell do you mean by "socialism." To me the litmus test of a socialist is someone who desires the abolition of the wages system. Anything less than this is not socialist and stands opposed to socialism , including any kind of state capitalist interventionism e.g. nationalisation

[mumba miss]

all i meant about russian backing was that Any group opposing America was the enemy of an enemy, therefor a friend, which resulted in revolutionary groups all over the world being thrown money, weapons and given a media outlet not biased by the American Bourgesie.
Even groups in palestine were given truckloads of AKs to fight isreal, wjo were close allies of America.
Even though the Soviets were Stallinist, they funded many groups who were not.
They were our sugar daddy:)

[Crux]

Socialist fervour? What the hell has this got to do with the Soviet state capitalist dictatorship. Good bloody riddance to that regime I say. It was a massive hindrance to the socialist movement and probably more than any other factor was responsible for deluding millions of otherwise well meaning individuals down a historical cul de sac over several decades.

With its disappearance and that of oher pseudo socialist regimes past and present we can now get on with the project of advancing a genuine socialist alternative to capitalism with a greater awareness of what signposts we need to ignore and what we need to heed
Well, yeah, but you're forgetting one quite important thing. The stalinist dictatorships fell to capitalist restoration. This is not a good thing.

[mumba miss]

I know, i was not saying i agreed with the stallinist regime, i was merely stating the benefits other revolutionary parties gained from having a communist superpower funding them.
Also my initial question was aimed at why all the groups who were marching, rioting, fighting and dying for Marxist revolution just stopped, they dissapeard, were we really that reliant on the soviets

[revolution inaction]

I know, i was not saying i agreed with the stallinist regime, i was merely stating the benefits other revolutionary parties gained from having a communist superpower funding them.

it wasn't communist and it didn't fund revolutionaries, it did shoot them and put them in prison camps though.

[mumba miss]

radical graffiti, please elaborate.