Contras or the Sardinistas?.

[Bloody Armalite]

The history of Nicaragua is tainted with bloodshed, American interference and confusing politics involving cuban backed arms shipments and US special forces.
Which side was in your opinion in the right, what will happen to the country in the future, do you have any experience of the country.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/contras-sandinistasi-t117248/revleft/misc/progress.gif

[scarletghoul]

Rofl, sardinistas :lol:
http://images-3.redbubble.net/img/art/size:large/view:main/1126584-2-the-golden-age-of-the-sardines.jpg

Anyway I seriously doubt anyone here would support the contras. The Sandinistas were fucking awesome, back in the day.

[Bloody Armalite]

lol sorry i typed it wrong:).
sounded like an angry bunch of fishies

[Pirate Utopian]

The contra's ofcourse.

[mosfeld]

Contras

[Bloody Armalite]

why

[Pirate Utopian]

Why do you support a group like the Sandinista?

[Bloody Armalite]

they were counter revolutionaries

[mosfeld]

m8 i support contras, ok????

[which doctor]

History isn't about choosing teams, or debating which side of the barricades you would have been on. Looking at history critically means carefully analyzing the material and historical conditions that allowed what happened in Nicaragua to happen, and in what position that puts Nicaragua in now. There's very little value in deciding whether the sandinistas or the contras were in the "right."

[LeninBalls]

Yeah what the hell?

Sandinistas are not progressive at all. The Contras were Marxist Leninist revolutionaries and I fully support them with all my heart.

[Pirate Utopian]

Sandinista's were also morbidly racist and illegalized owning pets.

[Bloody Armalite]

the regan administration gave 100 milion in aid to the contras saying the sandinistas were spreading cuban style socialism and arming leftwing guerrillas in el salvador.
Why wouldnt i

[Bloody Armalite]

and the contras wanted "democracy and capitalism"

[LeninBalls]

and the contras wanted "democracy and capitalism"

Uh, no. They wanted proletarian revolution and worker's means of production.

The Sandinistas wanted "democracy and capitalism".

[Bloody Armalite]

The Contras is a label given to the various rebel groups opposing Nicaragua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua)'s FSLN (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frente_Sandinista_de_Liberaci%C3%B3n_Nacional)) Sandinista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front) Junta of National Reconstruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_of_National_Reconstruction) government following the July 1979 overthrow of Anastasio Somoza Debayle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasio_Somoza_Debayle). Although the Contra movement included a number of separate groups, with different aims and little ideological unity, the Nicaraguan Democratic Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Democratic_Force) (FDN) emerged as by far the largest. In 1987, virtually all Contra organizations were united, at least nominally, into the Nicaraguan Resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Resistance).
From an early stage, the rebels received both overt and covert financial and military support from the United States government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government) through the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA), initially supplemented by the Argentinean government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reorganization_Process) of the time. At other times the US Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) wished to distance itself from the Contras and withdrew all overt support.
The term "Contra" comes from the Spanish la contra, short for la contrarrevolucion, in English "the counter-revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-revolution)". (Many references use the uncapitalized form, "contra", sometimes italicizing it.) Some rebels disliked being called Contras, feeling that it defined their cause only in negative terms, or implied a desire to restore the old order. Rebel fighters usually referred to themselves as comandos ("commandos"); peasant sympathizers also called the rebels los primos ("the cousins"). From the mid-1980s, as the Reagan administration and the rebels sought to define the movement as the "democratic resistance," members came to think of themselves as la resistencia.

[LeninBalls]

The Contras is a label given to the various rebel groups opposing Nicaragua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua)'s FSLN (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frente_Sandinista_de_Liberaci%C3%B3n_Nacional)) Sandinista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front) Junta of National Reconstruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_of_National_Reconstruction) government following the July 1979 overthrow of Anastasio Somoza Debayle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasio_Somoza_Debayle). Although the Contra movement included a number of separate groups, with different aims and little ideological unity, the Nicaraguan Democratic Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Democratic_Force) (FDN) emerged as by far the largest. In 1987, virtually all Contra organizations were united, at least nominally, into the Nicaraguan Resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Resistance).
From an early stage, the rebels received both overt and covert financial and military support from the United States government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government) through the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA), initially supplemented by the Argentinean government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reorganization_Process) of the time. At other times the US Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) wished to distance itself from the Contras and withdrew all overt support.
The term "Contra" comes from the Spanish la contra, short for la contrarrevolucion, in English "the counter-revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-revolution)". (Many references use the uncapitalized form, "contra", sometimes italicizing it.) Some rebels disliked being called Contras, feeling that it defined their cause only in negative terms, or implied a desire to restore the old order. Rebel fighters usually referred to themselves as comandos ("commandos"); peasant sympathizers also called the rebels los primos ("the cousins"). From the mid-1980s, as the Reagan administration and the rebels sought to define the movement as the "democratic resistance," members came to think of themselves as la resistencia.

No wrong youre wrong bourgeois lies

[mosfeld]

contras were way more progressive than sandinistas dumbass

[Bloody Armalite]

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/9fa5aee0.png
Supporting the contras against the communist sandinistas

[mosfeld]

sorry but you're clearly not a marxist if you dont support the contras and you support those barbaric sandinistas

[Bloody Armalite]

your full of lies, castro backed the sandinistas who were communist.
USA backed contras which were counter revolutionaries you idiot

[Bloody Armalite]

regan would hardly fund communists

[mosfeld]

no you suck at history

[Bloody Armalite]

why does it say on every book about the conflict, every information site.

Why would the USA who hate communism give military aid to the contras if they were marxist

[mosfeld]

why would the US aid siad barre

why arent you on your shitty political adventure

contras > sandinistas

[Bloody Armalite]

getting *****y when faced with facts.
awww.

[mosfeld]

im the only one so far who has shown any facts

[LeninBalls]

I think Bloody Armalite should be banned for being a reactionary anti working class pro capitalist fascist.

It just confuses me, how can ANY lefitst call themselves such and support the Sandinistas? :confused:

[Panda Tse Tung]

Contra's of course!
And being financed by the US does not automatically implie anti-communism or something...

[LeninBalls]

Why would the USA who hate communism give military aid to the contras if they were marxist

Also what are you smoking? The US government has never hated communism.

[Bloody Armalite]

someone explain the conflict then

[mosfeld]

no

[Bloody Armalite]

oh right, what the fuck was vietnam then.
bay of pigs, nhttp://eightiesclub.tripod.com/9fa5aee0.pngothing??
explain the picture

[Bloody Armalite]

lets hope your the guy telling people why they need communism:huh:

[mosfeld]

here are facts for you, you anti-working class reactionary fascist

My fellow Americans, I must speak to you tonight about a mounting danger in Central America that threatens the security of the United States. This danger will not go away; it will grow worse, much worse, if we fail to take action now. I am speaking of Nicaragua, a Soviet ally on the American mainland only 2 hours flying time from our own borders. With over a billion dollars in Soviet-bloc aid, the communist Government of Nicaragua has launched a campaign to subvert and topple its democratic neighbors.

[LeninBalls]

oh right, what the fuck was vietnam then.
bay of pigs, nhttp://eightiesclub.tripod.com/9fa5aee0.pngothing??
explain the picture

That's clearly a picture of Stalin.

Vietnam? Ho Chi Minh were fascists and no one wanted unification.

Bay of Pigs? The majority of the Cuban population welcomed the invasion with open arms, but they were killed by the Castroist fascists.

[mosfeld]

the contras were democratically elected and the sandinistas did a military coup

[Bloody Armalite]

When the Sandinistas failed to deliver on promises of free enterprise, free elections and free speech, opposition to their rule intensified. And when it became apparent that the Sandinistas were funneling Cuban military aid to Marxist guerrillas in neighboring El Salvador, President Jimmy Carter suspended aid to Managua in January 1981. The incoming Reaganites went further; after a half-hearted diplomatic initiative that failed to induce the Sandinistas to cut ties with Cuba and the Soviet Union, the Reagan administration took more aggressive steps. The president signed National Security Decision Directive 17 in November 1981, authorizing $20 million in aid to the anti-Sandinista opposition, the Contras.

are you for real you fool

[LeninBalls]

When the Sandinistas failed to deliver on promises of free enterprise, free elections and free speech, opposition to their rule intensified. And when it became apparent that the Sandinistas were funneling Cuban military aid to Marxist guerrillas in neighboring El Salvador, President Jimmy Carter suspended aid to Managua in January 1981. The incoming Reaganites went further; after a half-hearted diplomatic initiative that failed to induce the Sandinistas to cut ties with Cuba and the Soviet Union, the Reagan administration took more aggressive steps. The president signed National Security Decision Directive 17 in November 1981, authorizing $20 million in aid to the anti-Sandinista opposition, the Contras.

are you for real you fool

i dont fall for bourgeois lies unlike you

[Panda Tse Tung]

oh right, what the fuck was vietnam then.
bay of pigs, nhttp://eightiesclub.tripod.com/9fa5aee0.pngothing??
explain the picture

Who is that guy?

Anyway, in Vietnam there we're a bunch of fascists which the US wanted to topple. Bay of pigs has been discussed. Also i would like to explain the Nicaraguan situation. See the Sandinista's used revolutionary rhetoric to fool people into thinking they we're somehow progressive! But in reality they we're capitalist fascist dogs! And the contra's fought them, but Soviet-controlled media all over the world started to say the opposite. Creating much confusion.

[mosfeld]

andinistas failed to deliver on promises of free enterprise, free elections and free speech, opposition to their rule intensified.

i support free enterprise, free speech and free elections. the opposition wanted that as well. the only opposition were the marxist contras. so i supported the contras.

[Bloody Armalite]

wtf, the guy at the revolutionary communist part said the sandistas were revolutionaries and the contras were cia backed bourgesie
was he lying, if so why

[mosfeld]

he was lying

the revolutionary communist party is a cult around that butcher and dictator bob

[Bloody Armalite]

are you a republican pretending to be a communist

[mosfeld]

no, why

[Bloody Armalite]

on youtube, you have republicans saying the sandinistas were marxists and the contras were fighting for bourgesie democracy and were an anti communist.
The sandinistas were a popular front containing communists, dem socialists and liberal bourgesie all from the working class.

[Bloody Armalite]

why would they love the contras when the guy on the video hates communism.
THE CONTRAS WERE NOT COMMUNIST

[Bloody Armalite]

Also the contras had war children fighting for them

[Luís Henrique]

Also the contras had war children fighting for them
And aren't you planning to go to Latin America to engage in some military adventure before you are 16?

Luís Henrique

[Bloody Armalite]

lol im over 16

[Panda Tse Tung]

on youtube, you have republicans saying the sandinistas were marxists and the contras were fighting for bourgesie democracy and were an anti communist.
The sandinistas were a popular front containing communists, dem socialists and liberal bourgesie all from the working class.
They we're deceived by Soviet-controlled media.

[Bloody Armalite]

how do you mean

[Panda Tse Tung]

They own all the media, CNN, Fox News, etc...
They used those to spread lies about who was really the Communists. Now the US is effectively ruled by Soviets completely. Unfortunately, because they used to do so many good things for us :(. R.I.P. USA.

[Bloody Armalite]

are you insane

[red cat]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ...Now that's enough.. spare him guys. :D :D :D

[Bloody Armalite]

its like talking to a bunch of american spies pretending to be communist to make all comunists look evil or insane

[Panda Tse Tung]

its like talking to a bunch of american spies pretending to be communist to make all comunists look evil or insane
Interesting theory...

[Bloody Armalite]

lol
decietful panda:(

[Steve_j]

This is officially my favorite thread!

[Panda Tse Tung]

lol
decietful panda:(
:p. You know we are fucking around right? (just checking)

[Bloody Armalite]

so it is confirmed, i was right:)

[Pirate Utopian]

I'm not joking. Viva la contra's!

[Panda Tse Tung]

Ohw yeah, fo the lulzz i'll add the PM i send to Armalite when i said 'interesting theory'


I noticed you found out about our secret plan to undermine Communism. Consider this to be your last warning or you shall be taken into custody.

with kind regards,

Alex Jones head of the CIA revleft-team

[Pirate Utopian]

Aww... why is he banned?

[RedAnarchist]

Closed as OP is banned.