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Tzadikim
11th September 2009, 11:28
I have recently 'converted' one of my very best friends, a former dockworker who was laid off by Ingram's Barge Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingram_Barge_Company), to the cause of international socialism. He is not, 'by nature', a socialist; he holds many reactionary social positions; and yet he agrees with me on the essential necessity of an international movement of the proletariat.

Whether this 'conversion' holds once he again finds employment remains to be seen. But I will record here the gist of what I told him: I emphasized the fact that, under a socialist schema, he himself would have had a say in the long process of restructuring that, under capitalism, resulted in the loss of his job. He was highly receptive to council communism and the idea of direct worker control over industry.

My goal here, to wit, wasn't to necessarily convert him to any one socialist credo - I myself don't hold to any particular 'tendency'. It was, rather, to get him to understand the basic socialist point-of-view, and find his own thoughts within it.

Perhaps emphasizing the 'industrial democracy' aspects of socialism might be useful in raising class consciousness?

the last donut of the night
17th September 2009, 23:35
I've thought about that myself. In fact, do you have any opinions on the best methods to radicalize the US proletariat?

Tzadikim
20th September 2009, 02:18
I've thought about that myself. In fact, do you have any opinions on the best methods to radicalize the US proletariat?

As I said, emphasizing the 'democratic' aspect of industrial democracy is surely the most vital element: in fact, I'd not be opposed to relabelling the entire philosophy that of industrial democracy. Most American workers seem to think of Stalinism when they think of communism, and are certainly not inclined to give over what few democratic rights they possess to what they believe, rightly or wrongly, to be a totalitarian system.

New Tet
20th September 2009, 18:01
You're correct in wanting to emphasize the appropriate definition of socialism as the best way to interest your friend in this cause.

As has been said elsewhere, a proper definition of socialism must contain a workable program on how to achieve it.

I would suggest that you direct your attention (and hopefully you friend's) to the SLP's web site: http://www.slp.org