Would the queen be executed if revolution triumphed

[Bloody Armalite]

If revolution triumphed in the UK, what would be the royal familys fate, execution?.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Unless they were found to be helping counter-revolutionary forces, i don't imagine so. There's nothing worse than that faux-revolutionary attitude of revenge attacks on politicians and civic individuals such as the Queen.

However given their historic links to fascism, I wouldn't rule out their active engagement in a revoltuoionary situation with counter-revolutionaries.

The Queen's Uncle, King Edward VIII (later the Duke of Windsor) was an enthusiastic cheerleaders for Hitler and the Nazi regime. The Duchess of Windsor was also a friend of famous British fascists, the Oswald Mosleys.

Then there is the case of Princess Michael of Kent's father, Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, who was - you guessed it - a Nazi party member and SS officer. There's also Prince Philip, the Royal Family's chief sexist, racist, homophobic bigot. Aside from his desire to be reincarnated as a "deadly virus" to stop the population "problem" (sounds like a nice guy, doesn't he?), there's also the question of his sister's marriage to a SS Colonel who named their son "Adolf" in honour of Hitler.

[eyedrop]

Who cares? Just take away their property, and priviligies, and they will probably suicide after an honest day of work anyway.

[Tzadikim]

Who cares? Just take away their property, and priviligies, and they will probably suicide after an honest day of work anyway.

This.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

They should be otherwise they will serve as a rally point for reactionaries.

[ls]

Nah, like said, we should just keep a close eye on them and make em do labour. I'm sure the other reactionaries lumped in with them wouldn't want god to save her. :cool:

[Tzadikim]

They should be otherwise they will serve as a rally point for reactionaries.

Martyring them would serve the exact same function to a greater degree.

[Q]

Who cares? Just take away their property, and priviligies, and they will probably suicide after an honest day of work anyway.
In the minepits :D

[Bankotsu]

Martyring them would serve the exact same function to a greater degree.

But it worked for Russia.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Martyring them would serve the exact same function to a greater degree.

Id rather they were a Martyrs in a ditch then Leaders in a reactionary army.

[OneNamedNameLess]

Who knows? Yet another silly question. If there was a genuine uprising how are we supposed to tell you what the masses would do? The question of royalty is insignificant as they would obviously be stripped (hopefully of their clothes and gang raped too) of their enormous privileges which would be put to better use.

[Tzadikim]

Id rather they were a Martyrs in a ditch then Leaders in a reactionary army.

The British royalty, at least, hasn't had a real influence on military matters since the First World War. They'd be more than a little rusty in such matters - it might even prove beneficial to let them try to lead a White Army, as I wholly expect they'd be totally inept at it.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

They would be more figureheads then people doing anything other then PR. Killing them would let the world know that all that shit is over and its not coming back.

[Tzadikim]

They would be more figureheads then people doing anything other then PR. Killing them would let the world know that all that shit is over and its not coming back.

You're not thinking in terms of human psychology.

Queen Elizabeth, for instance, is largely regarded as a wise and benevolent, if slightly doddering, old woman. That this isn't really the case doesn't matter in the slightest in regards to mass popular perception of her. Killing her would give the reactionaries a propaganda coup; it would deliver to them signed and sealed a blanket statement calling all communists the murderers of little old ladies.

[Bloody Armalite]

for once joe and i agree:)

[Dimentio]

If 80% of the people want a constitutional monarchy under socialism, let them have a constitutional monarchy. We do not win or lose anything by dethronising them or keeping them. We could practically even have a frog or a phallos-shaped stone as the official head of state.

But executing them is idiotic. It is only idiots like Rik from "The Young Ones" who like such ideas just for the case of it. We must build barricades, shoot a lot of people, and kill the Tsar, because we are young and angry. I hate such testosterone-thinking amongst revolutionaries. The important thing is not a monarch, but who is in control of the means of production.

I am sure that if the capitalists were overthrown, that we could strike a deal with popular royal families to get them to accept any new order.

[Saorsa]

The question of royalty is insignificant as they would obviously be stripped (hopefully of their clothes and gang raped too) of their enormous privileges which would be put to better use.

As someone who has had someone very close to them suffer the effects of rape (and those effects have a heavy impact on the people around them), I find it utterly revolting to advocate pack rape as a legitimate activity under any circumstances and no matter who the victim. Even aside from the moral repulsiveness of it (and how fucking angry it makes me), it displays a complete lack of concern for the liberation of women if such practices are thought to be ok to be used as a weapon.

You really need to examine your fucking through processes man. And Comrade Joe, why the hell would you thank a post like this?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I thanked it because of the "stop speculating over what will happen in the revolution" not the gang rape comment which I seriously doubt was meant to insult rape victims.

[Bloody Armalite]

but in communism it is supposed to be equal, having royalty destroys the meaning of the basis of marxism surely?

[Tzadikim]

but in communism it is supposed to be equal, having royalty destroys the meaning of the basis of marxism surely?

Communism is the control by the workers of the means of production. No more, no less.

Would a communist society have a royal figurehead? Almost certainly not. Could it? Probably, provided it was just that, a mere figurehead under a constitutional framework.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

You're not thinking in terms of human psychology.

Queen Elizabeth, for instance, is largely regarded as a wise and benevolent, if slightly doddering, old woman. That this isn't really the case doesn't matter in the slightest in regards to mass popular perception of her. Killing her would give the reactionaries a propaganda coup; it would deliver to them signed and sealed a blanket statement calling all communists the murderers of little old ladies.
Funnily enough the popularity of the royals will go down as Communism becomes popular. In all honesty I think the royal family will be far less popular once queenie dies. (Most people don't like Charles but see the Queen as a sweet old granny).

[Saorsa]

I thanked it because of the "stop speculating over what will happen in the revolution" not the gang rape comment which I seriously doubt was meant to insult rape victims.

Whether or not it was "meant" to insult rape victims is totally fucking irrelevant. That's beyond class, beyond politics and not up for debate, you do not advocate or defend rape of anyone, anywhere, for anything. After you've seen it's effects come back and talk to me about how it's ok to joke about rape (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was being lighthearted).

[RebelDog]

She should be put in a damp council house with inadequate heating, given the paltry £90.70 state pension to feed, clothe herself and heat her house each week and she can see life isn't all champagne and fresh paint for millions of people her age in her glorious kingdom. If she survives the winter cold, which shamefully kills thousands of pensioners every year in the worlds 5th richest country, she could be placed in one of our lovely privatised care homes and see what it is like to be a commodity for a multinational in the twilight of ones life. If she isn't keen on all that then I suppose she could be free to roam the steets of London all night looking for shelter and food like thousands of her subjects have to do. Some other ideas for her family might include prince Charles doing back-breaking labour on an organic farm 14 hours a day and Harry being extradited in to the care of the Taliban. All sounds fair to me.

[OneNamedNameLess]

As someone who has had someone very close to them suffer the effects of rape (and those effects have a heavy impact on the people around them), I find it utterly revolting to advocate pack rape as a legitimate activity under any circumstances and no matter who the victim. Even aside from the moral repulsiveness of it (and how fucking angry it makes me), it displays a complete lack of concern for the liberation of women if such practices are thought to be ok to be used as a weapon.

You really need to examine your fucking through processes man. And Comrade Joe, why the hell would you thank a post like this?

It-was-a-fucking-joke. I also wish to see male royals get gang fucked :D

You probably wont belive this but my aunt was raped roughly four years ago in her flat. Don't start with the liberation for women stuff. Revleft is plagued with inconsistencies. Do you ever pull anyone up who advocates killing? I could easily turn around and say "I know people who have been murdered..." Btw, there is a growing number of male rape and domestic abuse victims. Yes, rape is related to patriarchy but it is not exclusive to women. I am committed to tackling male privilege but this does not mean I have to curb my sense of humour. In that case I shouldn't joke about assaulting anyone or anything of the sort either.

I feel I am wasting my time here :rolleyes:

[Saorsa]

It-was-a-fucking-joke. I also wish to see male royals get gang fucked http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies/biggrin.gif

The fact you see that as cool to joke about says a lot about you.


You probably wont belive this but my aunt was raped roughly four years ago in her flat. Don't start with the liberation for women stuff. Revleft is plagued with inconsistencies. Do you ever pull anyone up who advocates killing? I could easily turn around and say "I know people who have been murdered..." Btw, there is a growing number of male rape and domestic abuse victims. Yes, rape is related to patriarchy but it is not exclusive to women. I am committed to tackling male privilege but this does not mean I have to curb my sense of humour. In that case I shouldn't joke about assaulting anyone or anything of the sort either.http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies/001_rolleyes.gif

Assault and rape are two very different things. And I never tried to claim 'rape is exclusive to women'.Women are much more likely to be raped however.

[Saorsa]

Btw, if rape is ok to joke about, what else is? Jews? Nigger jokes? After all, if that's what fits your sense of humour its ok right...

[eyedrop]

Rape is an unacceptable weapon of war and we should not even jokingly propose it.

[Dimentio]

Funnily enough the popularity of the royals will go down as Communism becomes popular. In all honesty I think the royal family will be far less popular once queenie dies. (Most people don't like Charles but see the Queen as a sweet old granny).

In all honesty. Most Swedes are left-leaning (that is true, even a lot of voters of the liberal parties only vote for capitalist parties because they see no alternative which they think could work). But yet, most Swedes are royalists, because they like the symbol of the king. I don't like the royal family that much, but if the people do it, why change something that evidently is not threatening socialism or is unpopular?

Dethronise them when most of the people want it, through a referendum I'll say.

[OneNamedNameLess]

Btw, if rape is ok to joke about, what else is? Jews? Nigger jokes? After all, if that's what fits your sense of humour its ok right...

Depends. I do not know many Jews personally but I do share racist jokes with a couple of my friends. I would probably be restricted if I repeated them on Revleft. They see it as banter and in turn make jokes about whites and Italians. It's amazing that fellow white left wingers, often from the same country as me, are more offended by jokes targeting certain races as my say, my Arab friend is. Guess what? Obscene jokes are repeated daily, this is what happens in the real world. Racist jokes are not ok to make. However, if in my experience they are shared amongst firends then I don't see the problem. I wonder how people like you get by in real life. Can you not bear to watch South Park? It's full of obscene and offensive jokes about all religions, races, and so on.

[OneNamedNameLess]

Assault and rape are two very different things. And I never tried to claim 'rape is exclusive to women'.Women are much more likely to be raped however.

I did not mean that. Many users unblinkingly advocate murder. Fss, anyone could get all flustered and offended. People should never joke about murder either should they?

[Saorsa]

Racist jokes are not ok to make. However, if in my experience they are shared amongst firends then I don't see the problem.

That's true, and I'm not going to pretend I never make racist or sexist jokes of any kind. But seriously, advocating rape is not ok. Not to joke about, not ever.

[OneNamedNameLess]

That's true, and I'm not going to pretend I never make racist or sexist jokes of any kind. But seriously, advocating rape is not ok. Not to joke about, not ever.

Right ok. Lets put it to bed then. I am sorry if you were troubled by my statements and I genuinely mean it.

[Saorsa]

Fss, anyone could get all flustered and offended. People should never joke about murder either should they?

Murder isn't as bad as rape. Some people will probably get killed in the course of any revolutionary struggle. That's necessary and inevitable. Rape isn't either of those things.

[OneNamedNameLess]

Murder isn't as bad as rape. Some people will probably get killed in the course of any revolutionary struggle. That's necessary and inevitable. Rape isn't either of those things.

Ok ok. Some users are encouraging unnecessary murder and that is what I was referring to. Not just in this thread.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

After you've seen it's effects come back and talk to me about how it's ok to joke about rape

I have. Im not saying its ok to joke about rape im saying that this hardly makes him a super hardcore sexist wanker. Im hardly surpised that a comment like that pops up every now and again when considering that shit circulates widley in real life.

[Saorsa]

Im not saying its ok to joke about rape

Great to hear.

[scarletghoul]

The Queen will be destroyed, her corpse paraded through the town. It will be a glorious day.

[RedRise]

The Queen will be destroyed, her corpse paraded through the town. It will be a glorious day.
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Agreed.:cool:

[KC]

Why is this thread in Politics, for fucks sake? And why isn't this nutjob of a poster banned??? Where have all the admins gone?

[red cat]

Not even that. In China, they made a gardener out of the last emperor. Socialism requires every capable person to work for his living and the abolition of any social title based on the old order. But you can never say whether the royalty will actually survive the revolution or not. After all, revolution is the festival of the masses.

[New Tet]

If revolution triumphed in the UK, what would be the royal familys fate, execution?.

What kind of "revolution" are we speaking of here?

Why kill 'em? What's the point? If it's revenge we seek, what better revenge than toppling their political and economic might and making them workers, just like the rest of us?

Let's see:

Andrew, I'd have working as a worker/employee at the BBC with full democratic rights.

Dianna's kids I would allow to finish their school with farm work every summer holiday till they finish their degrees. Then off to work at whatever specialized field they chose to graduate for. With full democratic rights.

Charles I would make a game show host in Hollywood, hosting a new and improved version of "Family Feud". Non-negotiable.

The Queen's Consort, Phillip, I would send off to a nice retirement home so he can kibitz with other old, working class residents playing checkers.

Old Queen Ell, I would place on a wheel chair in the lobby of the swankiest hotel in Miami Beach, receiving guest as they check in. With full democratic rights, of course.

[Bloody Armalite]

i am sure rosa luxemberg would agree
.....NOT

[New Tet]

i am sure rosa luxemberg would agree
.....NOT

Who cares? I mean, Rosa L's views are very important and somewhat influential within Marxism, but who cares whether she would agree or not?

If ever a revolution happens that overthrows capitalism and its beneficiaries and a discussion arises over "what to do" about our former exploiters, I would hope that sensible people would reject any idea that includes cruelty and murder.

The unjust and unprovoked violence we inflict on others will surely turn against us, I promise.

[RedAnarchist]

Closed as OP is banned.