What weapon would you choose on the frontline

[Bloody Armalite]

What is the best weapon for an urban guerrilla.

My thoughts are either an ak 74 u
or a m16 A2
They may not be as mobile or compact as a submachine gun, but they are reliable, and are both tried and tested masters of jungle warfae, so you know they aint going to need huge amounts of cleaning or maintinence, as shown when the mujahadeen just dipped their laces in oil and used them to clean their aks.

If you were out fighting for whatever you believe in, what weapon would you take with you

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Your mum.

[Steve_j]

A feather duster.

[Bankotsu]

A feather duster.

It's a good weapon in the hands of a master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt34aHAFkV8

[Bloody Armalite]

my mum is pretty preocupied with ***** slapping your dad:D
btw sorry how do i move this to chitchat

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

You have a bath with a toaster.

[Bloody Armalite]

no but i rode your mumy like a rollercosta

[Steve_j]

It's a good weapon in the hands of a master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt34aHAFkV8

Thats me! Im gonna be a one man revolution, just me and my feather duster, fighting capitalism the world over. :)

[Steve_j]

no but i rode your mumy like a rollercosta


Mate.. straight up.... your being a dick.

[Jazzratt]

You're a fucking moron. Moved to chit chat.

[fiddlesticks]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/creepyneko/hello-kitty-ar15-assault-rifle.jpg

[Steve_j]

^^^^^^ Awwwwww i want one:)

[Bloody Armalite]

that is such a pretty gun:crying:

[Jazzratt]

If I had to be involved in shooting at people I'd probably want to stay a fair distance away with the L118A1:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/53/Accuracy_International_Arctic_WarfareM_-_Psg_90.jpg/450px-Accuracy_International_Arctic_WarfareM_-_Psg_90.jpg

Or if I needed antimaterial capabilities the AS50:

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ai-as50-1.jpg

Finally, if I absolutely positively must be close to the enemy I'd consider the AK-74:
http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gunporn-74-and-launcher.jpg
(Preferably with the underslung grenade launcher pictured)

Of course, given my nonexistant combat training and absolute cowardice I'd be unlikely to hit anyone with the above weapons, but I'd feel much happier.

[Pirate Utopian]

All I need are toenailclippers.

[Bloody Armalite]

lol your post made me laugh jazzarrat

[F9]

Your mum.

CJ, this "mom joke" is indeed no joke, please dont use it!As others too, but you started it.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

:lol:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I've never liked the AK-74. Why take a perfectly good design and then utterly gimp it with a lightweight calibre?

[Pogue]

Fuck this thread.

[Jazzratt]

I've changed my mind. I would rather use an L30A1 tank gun. That way I would be sitting in here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Challenger_II.jpg/800px-Challenger_II.jpg

Because nothing says "fuck you" like a tank.

[Muzk]

http://www.minihelicopter.net/AH64Apache/AH-64%20Apache.jpg
This > your tank

[Jazzratt]

ICBMs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICBM) I don't even need to be on the same landmass. And I can put a nuke on it. Fuck your helicopter.

[Panda Tse Tung]

infantry: AKM
Tank: I'd rather not be in a death-trap, so i would prefer an anti-tank car tbh
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/losat/images/2_hmmwv_anti-tank.jpg

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Because nothing says "fuck you" like a tank.

oh hai thar

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/800px-9a52_smerch.jpg

[Rusty Shackleford]

Musket Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMbxZ1k9NQ) i would keep the red coat. for obvious reasons. its warm.

[Jazzratt]

oh hai thar

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/800px-9a52_smerch.jpg

I think my willy just shrunk in fear.

[Tower of Bebel]

The one left behind by the national army preferably. I don't want to end op having an L85A1 without any ammo for it. I'd rather have a simple FNC.

[RedSonRising]

The kid is obviously excited by thoughts of romantic guerrilla warfare. however unrealistic or fantastical it is, there's no reason to insult this poster like some of you are doing, it's not like they're inviting everyone on the forum to go shoot some cops.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think my willy just shrunk in fear.

Want to know something even scarier? They come in packs.

I love the Russian approach to engineering - it seem to be either "make more of them, lots more" or "make it bigger, much bigger".

[Wanted Man]

http://hidoshi.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/rx-78-2.jpg

[Incendiarism]

I wouldn't use a weapon unless forced because I'd be a medic.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Pffffffft! The technology used to build a giant fighting robot like that could be used to build a tank that would be even better.

- most of the robot's mass is wasted on legs and arms, which wear out quicker, aren't as easily armoured and are nowhere near as stable as a set of tracks.

- Massive upright profile makes you an easier target. BOOM headshot!

- A tracked or wheeled vehicle of the same mass would be able to carry heavier weapons, a bigger powerplant, and more ammunition.

- Tracked or wheeled vehicles have a big advantage over legged giant robots due to having considerably lower ground pressure. That stupid robot would get bogged down in a lot of terrain.

- What the hell kind of colour scheme is that? Is it a circus robot?

[Durruti's Ghost]

http://earlvagary.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/deathstar.jpg

I win.

[Jazzratt]

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/247/b/7/Divine_Right___Battleship_by_LucreziaNavarre.jpg
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over how fucking awesome the imperium of man is.

[Wanted Man]

Pffffffft! The technology used to build a giant fighting robot like that could be used to build a tank that would be even better.

- most of the robot's mass is wasted on legs and arms, which wear out quicker, aren't as easily armoured and are nowhere near as stable as a set of tracks.

- Massive upright profile makes you an easier target. BOOM headshot!

- A tracked or wheeled vehicle of the same mass would be able to carry heavier weapons, a bigger powerplant, and more ammunition.

- Tracked or wheeled vehicles have a big advantage over legged giant robots due to having considerably lower ground pressure. That stupid robot would get bogged down in a lot of terrain.

- What the hell kind of colour scheme is that? Is it a circus robot?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2s19fcy.jpg

[Guerrilla22]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Sukhoi_Su-35.jpg/800px-Sukhoi_Su-35.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Sukhoi_Su-35.jpg)

[gorillafuck]

http://www.freewebs.com/jmsstarwars/ATAT.jpg

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Fuck your AT-ATs:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=3388

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=3385

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=3380

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=3029

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=3028

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=3027

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=202&pictureid=1366

That last one? It's also a mobile factory.

[Panda Tse Tung]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Sukhoi_Su-35.jpg/800px-Sukhoi_Su-35.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Sukhoi_Su-35.jpg)
Stop joking around, this is a serious thread!
That little red thing in the back will get crushed with 1 nail-shot from my little pinky!!!!

[☭World Views]

These War elephants were very effective back in the day. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Schlacht_bei_Zama_Gem%C3%A4lde_H_P_Motte.jpg/800px-Schlacht_bei_Zama_Gem%C3%A4lde_H_P_Motte.jpg

[Il Medico]

Well, my weapon of choice would be a pillow.
http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/635/635.x600.around.pillowfight.jpg?

But of course if I am disarmed I would need secondary weapons, like these:
http://www.chinatraderonline.com/Files/Gifts-and-Crafts/Toys-and-Games/Electric-Gun/Duck-Water-Gun-21104994718.jpg
http://www.thetoque.com/images/stories/lightsaber.jpg

and of course...
http://images.hasbro.com/common/images/products/6157532bca15_main400.jpg
The BFG
(Big fake gun)


EDIT: I didn't think i had to mention this, as it should be obvious but:
http://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dr10_4.jpg

[☭World Views]

I take back the war elephants.

I found a much more effective technique. We would have to evacuate the proletarians from part of the milky way galaxy though.

FALCON PUNCH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

[spiltteeth]

I'd probably use wit as my weapon and disarm the enemy with my charm...
Then I'd use this:
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/drive-me-closer.jpg

And if things get desperate :
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/fun18.jpg

Finally, I have no idea what this is, but looks like a ton of fun to ride :
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/walker9.jpg

Plus I like the way the skirt matches the cannon, war is no excuse for poor fashion.

[Axel1917]

I've never liked the AK-74. Why take a perfectly good design and then utterly gimp it with a lightweight calibre?

With the 5.45X39mm round, the AK-74 achieves better accuracy, longer effective range, lower recoil, and lower muzzle climb. The bullet also seems to be designed to tumble once it hits flesh in order to compensate for its smaller size.

Sure, it won't punch through walls or cinder blocks like the 7.62X39mm round will, but it still works well enough to get the job done. I would certainly take an AK-74, given that the AK-47 is not known for its accuracy.

Why the hell has this thread turned into 4chan?

[bcbm]

Why the hell has this thread turned into 4chan?

Because its stupid.

[spiltteeth]

Well, my weapon of choice would be a pillow.
http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/635/635.x600.around.pillowfight.jpg?



Why is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad fighting with a pillow?
Boy the whole Iranian uprising thing has really petered out...

[Dr Mindbender]

how about one of these?

Davey Crockett personell launched miniature nuclear warhead :D

http://www.defensetech.org/images/davy4.jpg

in action. Oh yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khyZI3RK2lE

[brigadista]

as i am in the uk - i would be making the tea for those shooting the guns as i have no idea how to shoot a gun so i would be useless on the front line

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Fuck shooting people. I'd want to saw 'em in half.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2_50_wpn_010.jpg


But seriously fuck the front lines i ain't leaving the boat.

[Abc]

well if i could choose any weapon i would choose a rocket launcher that shoots heat seeking exploding ninja kittens...

[mannetje]

i would make love to the enemy.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Sure, it won't punch through walls or cinder blocks like the 7.62X39mm round will, but it still works well enough to get the job done. I would certainly take an AK-74, given that the AK-47 is not known for its accuracy.

The accuracy of the AK-47 shouldn't be a problem as long as you're firing properly and not spraying ammo everywhere like some Rambo wannabe. Short bursts and single shots are all you really need.

[Vanguard1917]

The crane technique.

http://experiencelifemag.com/blogs/survival-of-the-fittest/files/2008/04/crane.jpg

[Killfacer]

http://mboundalley.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/optimusprime.jpg

Did i mention he turns into a truck?

[Il Medico]

http://mboundalley.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/optimusprime.jpg

Did i mention he turns into a truck?
http://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dr10_4.jpg
Ok, I fixed it. He can't turn into a truck any more.;)















































Or fire his gun.
































or walk.

[Pirate Utopian]

Still an awesome statue then.

[Killfacer]

The doctor couldn't get close enough to use the Sonic Screwdriver without getting a laser beam as big as his head pumped through his stomach.

[NecroCommie]

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/pk.jpg
Russian PK-machine gun is the choice of masculine warriors. It can mow down small ecosystems in a matter of seconds. :cool:
Also, rare things are as manly as throwing a rocket in your underpants. Picture from soviet war in afghanistan.
http://www.ruswar.com/RusWar/Army-1/infantry-4.jpg
This one is from the first chechenyan war
http://img.timeinc.net/time/potw/20020201/chechnya.jpg
And yes, this next one is an actual bulletproof armor made by the russian army. Not very mobile.
http://www.niistali.ru/images/pic/product/img_01.jpg

[ls]

A Putin launcher.

http://www.spaceflight.esa.int/users/images/foton/highres/soyuz_launcher_later.jpg http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00015/putin-500_15619t.jpg

Launching clones of Putin is one of the most dangerous things ever comrades, that head is as hard as a missile.

[Dóchas]

http://i42.tinypic.com/ipyt5z.jpg


or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovBICKDlU3M

or this guy lol (although not the last bit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI&feature=fvw

[Il Medico]

The doctor couldn't get close enough to use the Sonic Screwdriver without getting a laser beam as big as his head pumped through his stomach.
The Doctor has this:
http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Tardis-Tennant.jpg

And he has defeated worse things:
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/daleks.jpg

http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/the-sontaran-stratagem/the-sontaran-stratagem.jpg

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Cybermen--Age-of-Steel-doctor-who-40739_1600_1200.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/s2_08-09gallery/1024/the_beast.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00496/RSNF3088A-280_496825a.jpg
He scared a flesh eating shadow. Do you really think optimus has a chance?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Wiki_lazarus_experiment.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ERIZ_bRqSPE/SdpdCmp3NvI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/_69cbd3ce6E/s400/Master_with_laser_screwdriver.png

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42369000/jpg/_42369295_spider416_1_bbc.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/monsters/1024/reaper.jpg

Did Mention he beat a werewolf?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/thumb/5/57/Wwolf.jpg/250px-Wwolf.jpg

Oh and before you pull, he couldn't beat a giant robot line:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/d/d9/CyberKing_dreadnought_class.jpg
Bigger than optimus.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Surprising as it may be to some, I'm not a Doctor Who fan, so...

What's the biggest threat he's ever faced?

[Il Medico]

Surprising as it may be to some, I'm not a Doctor Who fan, so...

What's the biggest threat he's ever faced?
Well in the season finale last year. Davros (Picture 1, see below) planned to destroy the universe with a 'reality bomb' which would reduce all matter to individual atoms. Davros is the creator of the Daleks (Picture 2), who along with the Master (see picture 3)are considered his greatest enemies. he also beat the source of the Satan myth (see picture 4).
http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/davros-and-the-dalek-supreme/davros-journeys-end.jpg

Picture 1

http://dustyloft.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dalek.jpg
Picture 2
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ERIZ_bRqSPE/SdpdCmp3NvI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/_69cbd3ce6E/s400/Master_with_laser_screwdriver.png
Picture 3
http://www.scifiscience.co.uk/img/drwho/beast.jpg
Picture 4

And when the beast took a human host:
http://www.danielbowen.com/images/2006/1025-impossible-planet.jpg

[Vendetta]

I'd need nothing but a rock solid baguette.

[Pavlov's House Party]

A Shamwow.

You know the Germans always make good things.

[Искра]

I will hug you all and there will be no war... :)

[Jazzratt]

Surprising as it may be to some, I'm not a Doctor Who fan, so...

What's the biggest threat he's ever faced?

That fucking huge demon thing looked pretty big. (Not a fan myself either, so The Doctor's answer may well be more accurate, but I'm fucked if I'd try to take on something with teeth bigger than me).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

That fucking huge demon thing looked pretty big. (Not a fan myself either, so The Doctor's answer may well be more accurate, but I'm fucked if I'd try to take on something with teeth bigger than me).

I suppose "greatest" would have been a better choice of words.

[Killfacer]

The Daleks are definatly the Doctors fiercest enemy.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5d/Lasgun.jpg

The back bone of the imperium.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The Daleks are definatly the Doctors fiercest enemy.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5d/Lasgun.jpg

The back bone of the imperium.

Fuck yes. But the faithful bolter is better:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Bolter_Model.jpg

Perfect for purging the shit out of the alien, the mutant and the heretic.

[Killfacer]

A fine gun, no doubt but aren't they a bit unwieldy for those of us not blessed with super human strength and a hydrolic super metal battle suit?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

A fine gun, no doubt but aren't they a bit unwieldy for those of us not blessed with super human strength and a hydrolic super metal battle suit?

The Omnissiah will provide. ;)

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Bolter_Model.jpg

That has to be the best idea for a magazine catch i have ever seen. instead of having to use your thumb like on a kalashnikov or your trigger finger like an armalite/m16variant you would only need to use the index finger on your magazine changing hand.

[Jazzratt]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5d/Lasgun.jpg

The back bone of the imperium.
What do you call a lasgun with a laser sight? Double barreled.

Oh hell yeah, jokes about weapons in a fictional universe.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/1/13/Meltagun.PNG/180px-Meltagun.PNG
Good againhst tanks and any other fucker that happens to be in the way.

[Killfacer]

What do you call a lasgun with a laser sight? Double barreled.

Oh hell yeah, jokes about weapons in a fictional universe.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/1/13/Meltagun.PNG/180px-Meltagun.PNG
Good againhst tanks and any other fucker that happens to be in the way.

That gun was so stupidly good in the Choas Gate game, so good it might have unbalanced the game.

No worries though, i trump you with my cartoon broadside battlesuit

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_A8bZUPrO8dk/SWCvXDqLghI/AAAAAAAAAQM/lFtHGrQPcMI/s400/Tau_Battlesuit_Commander.jpg

[Revy]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=418&pictureid=3610

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/zorg.jpg

"Your time for revenge is at hand! Voila, the ZF-1. [activates a ZF-1 and holds it] It's light; handle's adjustable for easy carrying; good for righties and lefties; breaks down into four parts; undetectable by X-ray; ideal for quick discreet interventions.

A word on firepower. Titanium recharger; 3000-round clip with bursts of 3 to 300. With the replay button, another Zorg invention, it's even easier. [lights reveal a mannequin in a police armor] One shot... [shoots mannequin]...and replay send every following shot to the same location. [shoots a machine gun volley at Mangalores but all the bullets go to the mannequin]

And to finish the job, all the Zorg oldies but goldies. [fires every weapon at the mannequin as he mentions them] Rocket launcher... [rocket blows a hole in the mannequin], arrow launcher with exploding or poisonous gas heads [mannequin's head suddenly looks like a porcupine], very practical... our famous net launcher... [mannequin is ensnared in a large net], the always-efficient flamethrower, [mannequin is engulfed in flames], my favorite... [winks to the Mangalores] and for the grand finale, the all-new 'Ice-cube System'. [fires a cloud of liquid nitrogen which freezes the remains of the mannequin, which also breaks and collapses in pieces]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxjnl1yuXk

[spiltteeth]

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/bfg.jpg

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Reminds me of this:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/page15.jpg

You can read the rest of this quirky, crazy, awesome little comic HERE (http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/).

[Jazzratt]

You can read the rest of this quirky, crazy, awesome little comic HERE (http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/).

16 pages of fucking win.

[brigadista]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I-5FehHUHCc/SdYTum0x8YI/AAAAAAAADHg/QKq6jvxrIeo/s320/elnett+hairspray.jpg

[ellipsis]

The one I have for just such an occasion:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_0xCx5PWyccM/SqVZXxZzvuI/AAAAAAAABP4/wCHdciEHJgw/s512/tacvest.jpg

[Dr Mindbender]

16 pages of fucking win.

they've knuck that line from evil dead.

http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/page06.jpg


lol the doom bloke is a geordie. You learn something new everyday dont you. :D

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/ulstersocialist/page12.jpg

[Comrade B]

I will use my amazing charms and good looks to stun the enemies, while a horde of starved butterflies maul their faces.

[RotStern]

PSG1, MG4 or G36C

[spiltteeth]

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/hislevelofawesome.jpg

[ls]

they've knuck that line from evil dead.

http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/page06.jpg


lol the doom bloke is a geordie. You learn something new everyday dont you. :D

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/ulstersocialist/page12.jpg

:lol:! That is pretty awesome.

[Misanthrope]

The weapon of the proletariat. AK 47

[Killfacer]

The weapon of the proletariat. AK 47

Why do some many people pick this gun? I mean it's years old, aren't there newer and better models out?

[Comrade B]

Why do some many people pick this gun? I mean it's years old, aren't there newer and better models out?
because it looks fucking cool, hehe
really, people use it now because there are thousands of them all over the middle east left behind by the soviets

Personally, I think it looks fucking bad ass... for the same reason, I will be dressed like Gene Simmons

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Why do some many people pick this gun? I mean it's years old, aren't there newer and better models out?

Because it's the ultimate revolutionary's weapon, that's why. It's reliable even when full of water, mud, small stones and dead rats. It can still fire after being buried for years. It's simple enough in construction that it can be repaired on the battlefield with wire and bits of string. It's tolerances are large enough that it isn't completely fucked after caving someone's skull in with it.

True, it does force you to choose between being able to fire at full auto and actually hitting something at a reasonable distance, but that simply requires a different approach to firing discipline.

[spiltteeth]

because it looks fucking cool, hehe
really, people use it now because there are thousands of them all over the middle east left behind by the soviets

Personally, I think it looks fucking bad ass... for the same reason, I will be dressed like Gene Simmons

Let's start the Kiss revolution

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/Mao-Galaxy-92FM.jpg

[Angry Young Man]

Pure charisma and Metal Gear Rex, which is so badass that despite having been blown up ten years ago and left to rust since, still kicks the bejayzus out of a brand-new model of its replacement.

Just to blend these ultraweapons, I'll make an entry in one shouting 'BROTHER' in a posh accent.

[Comrade B]

Let's start the Kiss revolution

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/Mao-Galaxy-92FM.jpgReminds me of Red Star Over China, the Red soldiers shouting ancient war cries in practice, hehe
but yeah, I will alter my uniforms between a suit complete with with Monocle and top hat, a dinosaur Halloween costume, Gene Simmons clothing, and streaking.
Oh yeah, I always thought those PFLP guys holding RPGs look fucking sweet, so really, if I were in a photo, I would like to be wearing a ski mask or some other form of sweet face cover, and have an RPG... but that has nothing to do with logic or anything. I like communist theory, but I save stuff like this for when it is in sight. I will use whatever I am told to and whatever will serve the best use for the movement, be it a vest packed with explosives, a machine gun, or a butter knife.
but as I was saying, that isn't in sight, so... yeah...
the vest statement has nothing to do with terrorism... just so people don't accuse me of that shit, martyrdom with a gun is same as martyrdom with an explosion.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Why do some many people pick this gun? I mean it's years old, aren't there newer and better models out?

If i were to choose a kalashnikov, it would be an AK-74 with the convenient side folding stock. why? its lighter. It uses a smaller round but its much better because it supposedly rips and yaws when it penetrates flesh. its a bit cruel sounding. but it makes up for its small size. which like the .223 would have problems of overpenetrating. so the yawing helps. Also, because of the stock being foldable it makes it compact, but still being able to maintain the full barrel. i dont know for sure if it is as reliable as the 47 but it is still loose on the inside.

and yes, i do enjoy reading about firearms. (i assume im going to be attacked for being fetishistic about weapons or something)

either that, or an AK47M because i assume its a bit lighter and is made of stamped parts and is just as reliable as any other kalashnikov

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

"stamped parts" and "reliable" do not belong in the same sentence. Stamping is an inherently inferior process to machining, especially for high stress applications such as firearms.

Plus the 5.45mm round sucks for the same reasons that 5.56mm does.

[Rusty Shackleford]

"stamped parts" and "reliable" do not belong in the same sentence. Stamping is an inherently inferior process to machining, especially for high stress applications such as firearms.

Plus the 5.45mm round sucks for the same reasons that 5.56mm does.

Its stamped steel though, and its still more than capable of handling the conditions a rifle could be put through. Machining may be better but it is costly and time consuming.

the 5.56 and 5.45 are still effective, but it has drawbacks like a lack of stopping power that a 7.62 could offer. there is a median though. the 6.8mm round is being tested by the united states and rifles are already made to use it.

would you mind explaining the inherent lack of quality of stamping? i may be wrong. and i am willing to accept the correct answer.

[shadowmare]

The body can be the most effective weapon in one's arsenal
But if all else fails... The strategic use of Hillary Clinton never fails. Srsly! Send her over and watch that society crumble...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

would you mind explaining the inherent lack of quality of stamping? i may be wrong. and i am willing to accept the correct answer.

If my (admittedly limited) understanding of materials science is correct, stamping involves deforming metal into the desired shape using mechanical pressure, which induces metal fatigue - you can demonstrate metal fatigue for yourself by taking a thick wire (such as part of a coathanger) and repeatedly bending it in the same place, which at some point will snap.

Machining, on the other hand, does not deform the worked material - instead the desired component is carved out of a larger block like a sculpture.

Also, in order to be easily workable, stamped components must have thinner basic parts than machined components, which makes them inherently weaker, especially on the scale of objects such as firearms.

[Rusty Shackleford]

If my (admittedly limited) understanding of materials science is correct, stamping involves deforming metal into the desired shape using mechanical pressure, which induces metal fatigue - you can demonstrate metal fatigue for yourself by taking a thick wire (such as part of a coathanger) and repeatedly bending it in the same place, which at some point will snap.

Machining, on the other hand, does not deform the worked material - instead the desired component is carved out of a larger block like a sculpture.

Also, in order to be easily workable, stamped components must have thinner basic parts than machined components, which makes them inherently weaker, especially on the scale of objects such as firearms.

The stamped parts are usually the external parts. (The Reciever) as quoted here at http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm

This lead the Soviet army to issue new requirements for a lighter and more effective assault rifle, which were formulated in 1955. These requirements were also complemented by requirement for a companion squad automatic / light support weapon (light machine gun in Russian nomenclature). Trials for new weapons were held in 1957-58. Kalashnikov team from Izhevsk submitted an improved AK with new type of stamped receiver and other minor improvements, which competed against a number of weapons from other design teams from the Kovrov and Tula. In technical terms, the Kalashnikov entry fared about average in these trials, with certain rival weapons proving to be more combat-effective and less expensive to make. The trials commission, however, decided again that the better is the enemy of the good, and recommended the improved AK for adoption due to its proven performance and familiarity to the industry and troops. It was officially adopted in 1959 as the AKM ( Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovannyj - Kalashnikov Automatic rifle, Modified) along with companion RPK (http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg15-e.htm) squad automatic weapon / light machine gun. The key changes in AKM, as compared to AK, were the introduction of the stamped steel receiver instead of the milled one, and improved trigger/hammer unit, with added hammer release delay device (often incorrectly referred as a rate reducer). Other changes were the redesigned, slightly raised buttstock and the pistol grip, and the addition of the removable muzzle flip compensator. Now, even though the stamped steel may be weaker. would it not be able to handle the forces acting on it as a part of a rifle? Also, i think that many of the mechanical parts or a firearm are machined due to need for precision. haha. Some engine parts are stamped, like valve covers, oil pans, and i think even wheels.


i did a bit more reading into the 5.45 and agree it is a detractor to the ak74 though it is more accurate, one does not need to shoot over 500 yards in an urban setting.

[Axel1917]

The accuracy of the AK-47 shouldn't be a problem as long as you're firing properly and not spraying ammo everywhere like some Rambo wannabe. Short bursts and single shots are all you really need.

You are still going to have issues with hitting targets at longer distances, given the combination of the relatively poor accuracy and effective range. The AK-74 overcomes this issue with the 5.45X39mm round. I mean, the AK-74 is essentially the best of both worlds, i.e. it comes closer to the M16's accuracy and maintains the Kalashnikov's reliability.


"stamped parts" and "reliable" do not belong in the same sentence. Stamping is an inherently inferior process to machining, especially for high stress applications such as firearms.The majority of AK-47 variants in fact have stamped receivers (AKM), and they work just fine. Sticking with the older milled receivers would mean a higher cost and longer production time.

I believe the strength of the stamped receivers of the AKM and AK-74 comes from some kind of heat treating process. There are some other AK variants with thicker stamped receivers out there as well, such as the Yugoslav M70 (this uses a 1.5mm receiver as opposed to the standard 1mm stamped receiver). Of course, the Yugoslav M70 would need more maintenance if one were using that older ammunition with the corrosive primers, given the lack of a chrome lined bore.

As mentioned in a previous post, it is the receivers that are stamped on these guns. The internal parts are still milled.


Plus the 5.45mm round sucks for the same reasons that 5.56mm does.The 5.56X45mm round gets the job done. There is a reason why the Soviets and Chinese adopted their own Small Caliber High Velocity (SCHV) rounds after the appearance of the M16. These rounds are more accurate than ones like the 7.62X39mm round and they make up for their small size by fragmenting (as in the case of the 5.56X45mm round) or tumbling into the body upon contact (as in the case of the 5.45X39mm round).

Sure, the 5.56 and 5.45 rounds are not going to punch through walls and such like a 7.62X39mm round, but they are definitely capable of killing.

Sure, I would take the AK-47 over an M16 or an M4 on a battlefield (I rented a civilian variant, the AR-15, and I was utterly impressed with its accuracy and low recoil), given that their superior accruacy is not very useful given their unreliablity, but with the AK-74, you get the accuracy, effective range, low recoil, low muzzle climb, and reliability all in one package.

Now that I think of it, there is a reliable 5.56X45mm gun out there - the Israeli Galil. But then again, that is a Kalashnikov with an "Israeli flavor" to it. :p

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Axel1917: I defer to your (in all likelyhood) greater experience in these matters. But I still have an irrational dislike of anything with a less than rock-solid no-corners-cut rough and ready design.

I would still pick a larger calibre rifle, if for no other reason than the kind of shooting that suits such weapons is something I'm familiar with - IE, actual marksmanship skills. What's the point in using a lighter calibre when burst fire means you end up using the same weight in ammo anyway?