The world is turning LEFT! USA, Australia, japan, venezuala, nepal.....

[AntifaAustralia]

The world is turning left, recently the 1st world nations are turning left, slightly that is. the 3rd world nations are turning revolutionary socialist, well some, especially in the south americas and one in south east asia. (NEPAL!)

Exceptions are the mid east, africa, and europe?

Nations with a centre-left government now:
Japan
australia
USA
south africa


Radical/moderate left socialist/communist movements:
Bolivia
Venezuela
Nepal

Major 1st world countries that are right/centre-right/conservative in modern politics:
germany
new zealand,
israel
france.......

Add to the list!!!!!!!! and comment on your favourite revolution!

[Kukulofori]

We have a forum for that here on RevLeft. It's called "Politics."

Although I agree, on a worldwide scale the left has been making massive gains, especially in Eastern Europe and Latin America. Obama is not one of those gains, however.

[Revy]

The US does not have a "center-left" government.

[9]

I don't really see why/how Obama's administration qualifies as center-left. If anything, I'd mark him as "center" or, more likely, "center-right". What substantive actions has he made that land him anywhere left of center? Because I certainly do not see any.

EDIT: Stancel basically just beat me to it.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Well, at least he's putting healthcare on the agenda, regardless of wether he'll actually ush through with it.


On another note, western Europe is seeing a dramatic rise in EXTREME right. Our racist party is on a shared first place with the christian democrats in the polls right now, while the socialists and labour are being crushed. On the left side only the Greens seem to be growing.

[Q]

The world is turning left, recently the 1st world nations are turning left, slightly that is. the 3rd world nations are turning revolutionary socialist, well some, especially in the south americas and one in south east asia. (NEPAL!)

Exceptions are the mid east, africa, and europe?

Nations with a centre-left government now:
Japan
australia
USA
south africa
What have you been smoking? Japan indeed had somewhat of a change after ousting the LDP after 54 years from office. But the DPJ that is in power now is just as bourgeois. Australian and South-Africa have been steadily carrying out neoliberal policies for years now and the Obama administration in the USA is simply not left at all. Even his leftist gestures like, mainly, the healthcare reform he promised, are quickly thrown overboard at the least bit of resistance from the Republicans and rightwing Democrats. He's a strawman.



Radical/moderate left socialist/communist movements:
Bolivia
Venezuela
Nepal
The limitations of these countries is that they carry out reforms within the framework of capitalism nstead of striving to overthrow it and replace it with a workers democracy. This is always a dead end.

Major 1st world countries that are right/centre-right/conservative in modern politics:
germany
Germany is about to get a lot more "left". This is a good background article (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/783/oskarlafontaine.php) on the issue.

[red cat]

The world is turning left, recently the 1st world nations are turning left, slightly that is. the 3rd world nations are turning revolutionary socialist, well some, especially in the south americas and one in south east asia. (NEPAL!)

Exceptions are the mid east, africa, and europe?

Nations with a centre-left government now:
Japan
australia
USA
south africa


Radical/moderate left socialist/communist movements:
Bolivia
Venezuela
Nepal

Major 1st world countries that are right/centre-right/conservative in modern politics:
germany
new zealand,
israel
france.......

Add to the list!!!!!!!! and comment on your favourite revolution!

With the possible exception of Nepal, I would say that it's rather revisionist fascists taking over to stop any future revolutions.

[Q]

Without the possible exception of Nepal, I would say that it's rather revisionist fascists taking over to stop any future revolutions.
Thanks for pointing out once again you offer no real analysis or solutions and that your politics is totally bankrupt.

I mean, seriously, "revisionist fascists"? How is that explaining anything? Such empty phraseology are what makes us look like a bunch of morons on crack to the outside world, no wonder we're so small and isolated.

[Eat the Rich]

The fact is that there is a change of consciousness among the working class. This is reflected in the election of Obama, in the Japanese elections etc., without this meaning that those governments are "centre-left", which they are clearly not.

Also there is a revolutionary wave in Latin America, again this does not mean that Chavez and Morales are communist revolutionaries.

[AntifaAustralia]

Sorry if you guys think calling obama centre-left is an insult, I apparently live in a Capitalist conservative nation, a little sprinkle of Leftyness is a blessing, but nonetheless i am a radical lefty brother-- dont worry about that.

Red cat, you must be anti-mao and an anarchist, understood, hope you understand as well.

Q, mate you sound like youre from Cuba or DPRK, you are that radical left ay? that radical that my centre lefts are your centres. i called a trotskyist a cuban, opps? Opps! Thanx for that germany info, also ive heard that france has a revolutionary socialist party gaining power, some postman guy is the president. perhaps the fascist groups are gaining oppositoin, marvellous!

[AntifaAustralia]

The fact is that there is a change of consciousness among the working class. This is reflected in the election of Obama, in the Japanese elections etc., without this meaning that those governments are "centre-left", which they are clearly not.

Also there is a revolutionary wave in Latin America, again this does not mean that Chavez and Morales are communist revolutionaries.

Thanx mate, true evidence, i was feeling lonely with the Trots annoying me and calling communists fascists


Thanks for pointing out once again you offer no real analysis or solutions and that your politics is totally bankrupt.

I mean, seriously, "revisionist fascists"? How is that explaining anything? Such empty phraseology are what makes us look like a bunch of morons on crack to the outside world, no wonder we're so small and isolated.
Thnx Q, top bloke, a little trot on trot aggro, leave you fellas at it!:lol: LMAO!

[red cat]

Red cat, you must be anti-mao and an anarchist, understood, hope you understand as well.



Without the possible exception of Nepal,..

Thanks for pointing that out. Corrected the error.

[RedSonRising]

I think the trends that you are noticing which may be considered shifts towards the left are really situations where Capitalist States are being forced to make deals with the working class in the wake of the current economic crisis, while at the same time preserving the structure of the class system and supporting the ruling class. Discontent with traditional free market philosophy is high, as can be seen (among other things) with the election with Obama, whereas the call for fundamental empowerment of labor is lacking. While conditions for the working class may better in the short-term, such centrist policies only end up prolonging repercussions of structural faults in the capitalist economy.

Also, much of the world is going right, at least enough to cause worry. Fascism is on the rise in Italy (surprise surprise) and other European countries in one factional form or another.

Both center-left and center-right reforms are most likely tied to immigration and job scarcity. If the world continues to polarize between the two ruling-class models of the capitalist welfare state vs the more corporate crypto-fascist state, countries will end up looking more like France and maybe even approaching Sweden, OR looking like Russia, somewhat approaching Fascist Italy/Germany (perhaps without so many parades). Any shift towards the welfare-state Social Democratic model however does not necessarily indicate a change in class social relationships.

[red cat]

Thanks for pointing out once again you offer no real analysis or solutions and that your politics is totally bankrupt.

No Trot analyses at least...



I mean, seriously, "revisionist fascists"? How is that explaining anything?

Except for the very small revolutionary movements in the countries mentioned other than Nepal, there is no subjective force which can be termed truely as left.
Revisionism involves (you guys will know this well) lipservice to communism, defaming true revolution and revolutionares, liquidating class struggle through violence and temporary reforms from above.
In these countries there has been no major revolutionary action for a long time, and the "left" coming into power are essentially doing so through the parliament.



Such empty phraseology are what makes us look like a bunch of morons on crack to the outside world, no wonder we're so small and isolated.

There is possibly a different reason to that.

[h9socialist]

Obama is certainly not "left" in the sense that we would use the term in this forum. Nor is he "center-lefdt" in the sense of European social democracies. However, he can be considered about as good as the US system can produce. The US constitutional system is rigged so that money and property always win. That's how we got Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes. So while Obama is not much of a "leftist" to be sure, he's head and shoulders above the fascists we've been used to the past few decades. That may not be a very good argument for him. But it is nonetheless true.

[Oneironaut]

Q, mate you sound like youre from Cuba or DPRK, you are that radical left ay? that radical that my centre lefts are your centres. i called a trotskyist a cuban, opps? Opps! Thanx for that germany info, also ive heard that france has a revolutionary socialist party gaining power, some postman guy is the president. perhaps the fascist groups are gaining oppositoin, marvellous!

I don't understand much of what you are saying here, but I feel like you're attacking Q for no reason at all.

[fatpanda]

AUSTRIA : chancellor werner faymann is a social democrat but the financial minister is a conservative
and there are more than 30% of the votes for the right wing nationalist fpö and bzö parties

[RadioRaheem84]

It seems like we're at the same crossroads as the people in 30s during the depression. There is a big split between right and left camps. South America has gone left for sure, Europe centre-left, and the US centre-right. At least that the best the US can do for now even though Obama is still a liberal bougie puppet.

But right wing groups are on the RISE in the US and Europe. Right Wing groups are gathering forces in the US like never before and this is worse than the corporate Rush Limbaigh right wing stuff you here on the radio, this is christian extremist, nationalist mobs that are ready to lynch, right wing.

So we're back to the early days before WWII where the right and left met in a clash and free market liberalism was totally discredited. Lets hope we dont let fascism rise again.

[RadioRaheem84]

I hear that Russia is turning very religious and conservative/nationalist. Is this true?

[AntifaAustralia]

I hear that Russia is turning very religious and conservative/nationalist. Is this true?

Not religios i think, but nationalist for sure, the atheists are still prominent, thanks to the soviet union.
conservative? i dont know they always seem to be changing, funny mob, monarchism to scoialism, to free market from state controlled.....

[The Red Next Door]

mmm, France,Germany and etc are center left countries despite having conservative leaders. It not the leaders that make a nation either center left ot right wing. Their policies make them either center left or center right. America would remain center right as long if we do not change this country policies; both domestic and international.