"Labor Day" In The United States

[SocialPhilosophy]

Why is it NOT on May first like the rest of the damn planet?

[mykittyhasaboner]

Because the US sucks.

[danyboy27]

Why is it NOT on May first like the rest of the damn planet?

canada have the same labor day.

i just dont fucking care, i got a holiday.

i just dont care about the freaking reason, 3 day weekend ftw!

[SocialPhilosophy]

Because the US sucks.

Nobody Knows the History Behind it? :huh:

[Robert]

Because the US sucks.

There surely are many things you like and admire about the USA?

[mykittyhasaboner]

There surely are many things you like and admire about the USA?

Not really. This is offtopic though.


Nobody Knows the History Behind it? :huh:


The holiday originated in Canada out of labor disputes ("Nine-Hour Movement") first in Hamilton, then in Toronto, Canada in the 1870s, which resulted in a Trade Union Act which legalized and protected union activity in 1872 in Canada. The parades held in support of the Nine-Hour Movement and the printers' strike led to an annual celebration in Canada. In 1882, American labor leader Peter J. McGuire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_J._McGuire) witnessed one of these labor festivals in Toronto. Inspired from Canadian events in Toronto, he returned to New York and organized the first American "labor day" on September 5 of the same year.
The first Labor Day in the United States was celebrated on September 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_5), 1882 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1882) in New York City.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day#cite_note-labordept-0) In the aftermath of the deaths of a number of workers at the hands of the US military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) and US Marshals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marshals_Service) during the 1894 Pullman Strike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike), President Grover Cleveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland) put reconciliation with Labor as a top political priority. Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national holiday was rushed through Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) unanimously and signed into law a mere six days after the end of the strike.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day#cite_note-PBS-1) Cleveland was also concerned that aligning a US labor holiday with existing international May Day celebrations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day) would stir up negative emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Affair).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day#cite_note-Slate-2) All 50 U.S. states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) have made Labor Day a state holiday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_holiday).

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[SocialPhilosophy]

So... We're Bass ackwards to stop dissension for something that happened 100+ years ago? sounds like America to me. :o

[SouthernBelle82]

Because the US sucks.

To show us evil commies. :rolleyes: Just like adding "In God We Trust" on dollar bills cause we commies can't possibly also believe in God. :glare:

[mykittyhasaboner]

To show us evil commies. :rolleyes: Just like adding "In God We Trust" on dollar bills cause we commies can't possibly also believe in God. :glare:

What the hell is this supposed to even mean? What the does the phrase "In God We Trust" on dollars have to do with communists?

[SouthernBelle82]

What the hell is this supposed to even mean? What the does the phrase "In God We Trust" on dollars have to do with communists?

You don't know? In 1954 before hand we didn't have "In God We Trust" on our money so they added it to show the atheist commies. Plus I was using sarcasm too.

Link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

A law was passed by the 84th United States Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty-fourth_United_States_Congress) (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) on July 30, 1956. President Dwight D. Eisenhower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower) approved a joint resolution declaring In God We Trust the national motto of the United States.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#cite_note-CR1956p13917-1) The same Congress had required, in the previous year, that the words appear on all currency, as a Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War) measure: "In these days when imperialistic and materialistic Communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper" to "remind all of us of this self-evident truth" that "as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail." [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#cite_note-9)

[mykittyhasaboner]

You don't know? In 1954 before hand we didn't have "In God We Trust" on our money so they added it to show the atheist commies. Plus I was using sarcasm too.

Link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

A law was passed by the 84th United States Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty-fourth_United_States_Congress) (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) on July 30, 1956. President Dwight D. Eisenhower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower) approved a joint resolution declaring In God We Trust the national motto of the United States.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#cite_note-CR1956p13917-1) The same Congress had required, in the previous year, that the words appear on all currency, as a Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War) measure: "In these days when imperialistic and materialistic Communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper" to "remind all of us of this self-evident truth" that "as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail." [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#cite_note-9)

OK, now what's this got to do with Labor Day? I don't care if Eisenhower deliberately added the phrase just to stick it to communists. It's pale in comparison to other, you know, actually effective cold war measures the US government took.

[danyboy27]

i just find it fucking ironinc that every labor day consist in not working at all.
to me, it would make more sense to work that day but to have limited working hours.

but then again i wont complain beccause i will have a 3 week weekend, for the people who work for a living, it does actually mean something. one of my collegues made a chart and can tell you in a year how much percentage is left before this 3 day weekend.

[Idealism]

OK, now what's this got to do with Labor Day? I don't care if Eisenhower deliberately added the phrase just to stick it to communists. It's pale in comparison to other, you know, actually effective cold war measures the US government took.

I think it's meant to be a comparison of how the U.S. changed petty things (such as when labour day is celebrated, or adding in god we trust) just to disassociate ourselves from "those evil communists". I think one of the reasons why we celebrate labour in September is that it is a co-optation from the radical left.

edit: Source (http://www.dol.gov/OPA/ABOUTDOL/LABORDAY.HTM)

[Comrade B]

The US also added "one nation under God" into the lyrics of the Pledge of Allegiance around this time for the same reasons.

For non-US revleft people
the Pledge of Allegiance is the vow children are forced to make to pledge themselves to the flag, God, and republic, every morning before classes start in school.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

The US also added "one nation under God" into the lyrics of the Pledge of Allegiance around this time for the same reasons.

For non-US revleft people
the Pledge of Allegiance is the vow children are forced to make to pledge themselves to the flag, God, and republic, every morning before classes start in school.
Sounds like a great idea. Wish we had it over here (minus the republic part, God Save the Queen!).

[Comrade B]

Sounds like a great idea. Wish we had it over here (minus the republic part, God Save the Queen!).
Yeah, a lot of people would agree with you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth)

[Orange Juche]

It's a meaningless holiday, a good majority of people still work on Labor Day.

[Jazzratt]

Sounds like a great idea. Wish we had it over here (minus the republic part, God Save the Queen!).

It's a stupid idea. It doesn't even encourage national loyalty because it relegates the idea of making a meaningful pledge to a meaningless ritual for children so I don't even understand why the right is supportive of it.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

Yeah, a lot of people would agree with you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth)
:rolleyes:

Typical commie tactic: make no argument and scream "fascist!".

You probably have no idea what fascism actually is. You realise that fascism is anti-monarchist and anti-conservative, yes?

Obviously fascists would therefore disagree with many of my opinions, then.

[Idealism]

:rolleyes:

Typical commie tactic: make no argument and scream "fascist!".

You probably have no idea what fascism actually is. You realise that fascism is anti-monarchist and anti-conservative, yes?

Obviously fascists would therefore disagree with many of my opinions, then.

You mean to say you are a monarchist? Though, fascists when coming to power do often play off of the more reactionary elements in society (i.e. you), so in that sense you are a fascist.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

You mean to say you are a monarchist? Though, fascists when coming to power do often play off of the more reactionary elements in society (i.e. you), so in that sense you are a fascist.
Yes, I am a monarchist (God Save the Queen) but I'm not a fascist.

[Jazzratt]

Sounds like a great idea. Wish we had it over here (minus the republic part, God Save the Queen!).


Yes, I am a monarchist (God Save the Queen) but I'm not a fascist.

Is it a function of monarchism that you have to ram the phrase "God Save the Queen" into as many statements as possible, seemingly at random?

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

Is it a function of monarchism that you have to ram the phrase "God Save the Queen" into as many statements as possible, seemingly at random?
No, the opportunity to do so merely came about and I took it.

[danyboy27]

No, the opportunity to do so merely came about and I took it.

what your opinion about the BNP?

[danyboy27]

It's a meaningless holiday, a good majority of people still work on Labor Day.

in the us maybe, where i live its gonna be hard to find something open that day. that typical of quebec, most of the time when there is a holiday everything or almost is closed shut, grocery store work at minimal staff.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

what your opinion about the BNP?
They are racist fools and demagogues who would run this nation into the ground.

[danyboy27]

They are racist fools and demagogues who would run this nation into the ground.

good answer sir!

[Comrade B]

Typical commie tactic: make no argument and scream "fascist!".
My comparison was Nazis having children with no understanding of politics blindly vow their faith to their country. It isn't necissarily fascist, but it is a policy shared by all nationalists. Like yourself.


You probably have no idea what fascism actually is. You realise that fascism is anti-monarchist and anti-conservative, yes?
A conservative (upholding 'tradition' and national pride) political system run by a militaristic authoritarian leader with a preference for people of a certain group, fascists often create an "other" to use as a scapegoat and punish.

Oh yeah. Fuck you.


Obviously fascists would therefore disagree with many of my opinions, then.
They would agree with your nationalism. And I am sure a lot of other stupid things you believe in, like an autocracy.

[eyedrop]

You probably have no idea what fascism actually is. You realise that fascism is anti-monarchist and anti-conservative, yes? I seem to remember Franco being allied with the monarchists though

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

A conservative (upholding 'tradition' and national pride) political system run by a militaristic authoritarian leader with a preference for people of a certain group, fascists often create an "other" to use as a scapegoat and punish.
No, it isn't. It is a right-wing, anti-conservative and revolutionary polticial system.

Hitler called his takeover a "revolution" and in "Die Fahne Hoch" they rail against the reactionaries (Prussian Monarchists, traditionalist Catholics etc.) as well as the "reds".


Oh yeah. Fuck you.
Stupid commie.


They would agree with your nationalism. And I am sure a lot of other stupid things you believe in, like an autocracy.
I don't believe in an autocracy.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

I seem to remember Franco being allied with the monarchists though
He wasn't a fascist.

[Comrade B]

I don't believe in an autocracy.
You are a Monarchist. You believe in a dictator with absolute power.


anti-conservative and revolutionary polticial system.
They believe in maintaining old tradition. Conservatism. It goes with their whole national pride crap you believe in.
Having overthrown the old political structure does not make it revolutionary in the terms of the left. The United States overthrew their old structure, hell the military in Honduras threw out the old leader and instated their leader. Doesn't make them progressive.


He wasn't a fascist.
You are a fucking moron. What makes Franco NOT a fascist. Don't tell me what makes him something else, tell me how he is NOT one.

[LeninBalls]

He wasn't a fascist.

No, not at all. He didn't shoot execute people based on their leftist thinkings, he didn't have authoritarian powers, he wasn't buddy buddy best friends with the 2 most well known fascists in history, he wasn't a military man, he didn't use fascist imagery such as eagles, he didn't opress strikes and he sure as well wasn't a nationalist.

HE WASNT

[RGacky3]

He wasn't a fascist.

According to most historians, he was. Fascism has nothing to do with monarchy, monarchy (in the constitutional monarchy sense) is just a traditional role.


Hitler called his takeover a "revolution" and in "Die Fahne Hoch" they rail against the reactionaries (Prussian Monarchists, traditionalist Catholics etc.) as well as the "reds".


They railed against anyone that was'nt a fascist, but they killed the reds.


I don't believe in an autocracy.

Yes you do, you believe in a monarchy, I'm assuming Capitalism as well (which is essencially autocracy, only on a huge scale).



what your opinion about the BNP?


good answer sir!

good answer? An honest answer is a good answer.
(I'm not saying he's not honest, I'm saying the idea that an opinion question can have a good answer is rediculous.)


i just find it fucking ironinc that every labor day consist in not working at all.
to me, it would make more sense to work that day but to have limited working hours.

The point is to celebrate and appreciate the working man, not the work itself.

[Pogue]

He wasn't a fascist.

Of course he was.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

You are a Monarchist. You believe in a dictator with absolute power.
I believe in the British system of constitutional parliamentary monarchy not absolute monarchy.


They believe in maintaining old tradition. Conservatism. It goes with their whole national pride crap you believe in.
Having overthrown the old political structure does not make it revolutionary in the terms of the left. The United States overthrew their old structure, hell the military in Honduras threw out the old leader and instated their leader. Doesn't make them progressive.
No, you are once again incorrect.

Fascists support a manufactured form of authoritarian governance not of a traditionalist one.

"[Fascism is] a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine. In the inter-war period it manifested itself primarily in the form of an elite-led "armed party" which attempted, mostly unsuccessfully, to generate a populist mass movement through a liturgical style of politics and a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of its social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence."

- Roger Griffin


You are a fucking moron. What makes Franco NOT a fascist. Don't tell me what makes him something else, tell me how he is NOT one.
He was an authoritarian Latin conservative not a fascist. Most historians agree with that assesment.

[Comrade B]

So what, one historian says that fascism is anti-conservative, the passage doesn't even give an argument for that.
this is the only thing that relates to conservatism in the passage, it also, does not have support:
As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity

My point was that revolutionary does not mean revolutionarily left


Most historians agree with that assesment.
Most historians enjoy lime flavored ice cream.
Most historians dislike disco music.
Most historians thinks the Easter bunny is real.

Are you kidding me? Give me a statistic.

Also, you did exactly what I told you not to do.
I said tell me why he is not one, give me a reason, don't tell me what you say he is.

[RGacky3]

Fascists support a manufactured form of authoritarian governance not of a traditionalist one.

Tradition, in the form of Monarchism IS manufactored.


He was an authoritarian Latin conservative not a fascist. Most historians agree with that assesment.

Key overall aspects of fascism.
Strong State and Big buisiness cooperation
Belief in the State being the most important entity
Extreme nationalism

Franco was a fascist.


I believe in the British system of constitutional parliamentary monarchy not absolute monarchy.


So you belive in having a system celebrating a form of government in history that was brutal, authoritarian and oppressive, because of "tradition", let me ask you sometime, had the Nazis lasted longer, after their demise would you support keeping the role of the fuerer and the SS just to be quaint? Oh, and also giving them control over a vast amount of unearned wealth?

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

My point was that revolutionary does not mean revolutionarily left
Of course it doesn't. I already said that fascism is right wing.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

Tradition, in the form of Monarchism IS manufactored.
No, not in nations with a monarchic tradition.


Key overall aspects of fascism.
Strong State and Big buisiness cooperation
Belief in the State being the most important entity
Extreme nationalism

Franco was a fascist.
He didn't believe that the state was the important entity. No fascist gave the RC Church the power that he gave them.


So you belive in having a system celebrating a form of government in history that was brutal, authoritarian and oppressive, because of "tradition", let me ask you sometime, had the Nazis lasted longer, after their demise would you support keeping the role of the fuerer and the SS just to be quaint? Oh, and also giving them control over a vast amount of unearned wealth?
No, one because I'm not German and second of all because the Nazis committed so many immoral actions. Conservatives don't blindly follow tradition but pick the good from the traditions and discard the bad.

[danyboy27]

its obvious franco was a fascist.

what do you have to say about pinochet?

[RGacky3]

No, not in nations with a monarchic tradition.

How did monarchies come about? they were a group of people that forced themselves into power. It was clearly manufactured.


He didn't believe that the state was the important entity. No fascist gave the RC Church the power that he gave them.


Thats a good point, but keep in mind the RC Church WAS only given power in subservience to the state, in other words the RC church was given power, meaning the state could take it away. Its not like say, Iran, which is more of a religious state.


No, one because I'm not German and second of all because the Nazis committed so many immoral actions. Conservatives don't blindly follow tradition but pick the good from the traditions and discard the bad.

As did monarchs, monarch commited many many many immoral actions.

BTW, I have no problem with traditions, but institutionalizing them makes them no longer traditions but ... institutions.

[Comrade B]

because the Nazis committed so many immoral actions
Heard of the crusades?
or witch burnings
or decapitations

How about keeping Hitler's family line in power, what would you think of that?

[GracchusBabeuf]

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[anti-N.I.C.E.]

How did monarchies come about? they were a group of people that forced themselves into power. It was clearly manufactured.
Hundreds of years ago when monarchism was the way to run a country.


Thats a good point, but keep in mind the RC Church WAS only given power in subservience to the state, in other words the RC church was given power, meaning the state could take it away. Its not like say, Iran, which is more of a religious state.
Well, if you compare iy to the regulation that the Church faced under the Nazis and the Church in Nationalist Spain had a lot more power.

Franco was also far more of a religious man than Hitler.


BTW, I have no problem with traditions, but institutionalizing them makes them no longer traditions but ... institutions.
Sometimes it is needed to do that to protect those traditions.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

Heard of the crusades?
or witch burnings
or decapitations

How about keeping Hitler's family line in power, what would you think of that?
Th Crusades were in self defense and Witch burning didn't even happen, it is a complete myth.

And there is little wrong with decapitating murderers etc. (especially when you consider the time period).

[RGacky3]

Hundreds of years ago when monarchism was the way to run a country.

So what? How is that a response? After hundreds of years will hitler be a good guy?


Well, if you compare iy to the regulation that the Church faced under the Nazis and the Church in Nationalist Spain had a lot more power.

Franco was also far more of a religious man than Hitler.

So what, that does'nt make him not fascist.


Sometimes it is needed to do that to protect those traditions.

By definition tradition is natural, does'n need protecting, otherwise thats not tradition.


Th Crusades were in self defense and Witch burning didn't even happen, it is a complete myth.


Are you serious? Dumb ass? Do you want to be embarrased?

[Comrade B]

And there is little wrong with decapitating murderers etc. (especially when you consider the time period).
Or wives?
God, you sound like a fucking Taliban member.


Th Crusades were in self defense and Witch burning didn't even happen, it is a complete myth.
and saint George actually did slay a mother fucking literal dragon

[Jazzratt]

Th Crusades were in self defense and Witch burning didn't even happen, it is a complete myth.

The first crusade was a way for Innocent to consolidate his power amongst the nations of Europe and to intimidate arabic leaders at the time. It helped, too, that the crusade was targetting some very rich places. Subsequent crusades had similar reasoning (consider the riches the catholic churches gained after the fall of constaninople and so on).

Witch burnings are in fact well documented and there are many woodcuts from the time depicting them. they may be distasteful but that doesn't mean they are mythical.


Hundreds of years ago when monarchism was the way to run a country.

Monarchism trampled all over the traditional methods of ruling at that time.


Well, if you compare iy to the regulation that the Church faced under the Nazis and the Church in Nationalist Spain had a lot more power.

Franco was also far more of a religious man than Hitler.

Irrelevent as religion does not preculde fascism, Mussolini was a Roman Catholic for example (converted and baptised in 1927).


Sometimes it is needed to do that to protect those traditions.

If the tradition cannot stand up to the modern world why does it deserve continued existance?

[☭World Views]

"Labor Day" in the USA is a joke.

Basically the rest of the world used May 1rst as the International worker's day, but since the USA and Canada feel that making May 1rst labor day would put the government and the capitalist oligarchs they protect in danger they made it a different day and made May 1rst "loyalty day", a day to "re-affirm loyalty to the United States".

The state forces of the United States government suppressed popular worker movements on May 1rst that left several people dead.


Oh noes, we cannot allow the workers to live for justice! Instead they must live for the ENTERTAINMENT and PROFIT of capitalist racketeers, at the same time willfully sponsoring their wars of genocide, plunder, and oppression.
^ That is what most people live in the USA live for, whether they want to admit it or not. The profit of racketeers and prostituting their labor power to pay for wars of plunder.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

So what? How is that a response? After hundreds of years will hitler be a good guy?
We are talking about the institution of monarchy not of specific leaders.


So what, that does'nt make him not fascist.
There are plenty of other reasons why he wasn't a fascist.

He was just your average authoritarian latin conservative. Nothing new not "fascist".


By definition tradition is natural, does'n need protecting, otherwise thats not tradition.
What? That has nothing to do with what I said.


Are you serious? Dumb ass? Do you want to be embarrased?
Yes, I'm serious.

[9]

Labor Day is an annual American Shabbos. It is called Labor Day because, as with traditional Shabbos, laboring is forbidden for the duration of American Labor Day. Going into labor is also prohibited.

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[RGacky3]

We are talking about the institution of monarchy not of specific leaders.

Well it was the institution of monarchy that was oppressive.


There are plenty of other reasons why he wasn't a fascist.

He was just your average authoritarian latin conservative. Nothing new not "fascist".

Well he fit the basic criteria of a fascist, soooo, well, your wrong.


What? That has nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it does, you said traditons need legal protection, I said, then its not traditions its institutions.

About the Crusades being self defence. I would like you see you back that up, any evidence, reasoning?

Also about witch burnings being myth? There is documented evidence of this being a practice.