View Full Version : Are Pan Africanism, Pan Asianism, and Pan Arabism compatible with Socialism?
Idealism
6th September 2009, 04:24
Fairly self explanatory.
Bright Banana Beard
6th September 2009, 04:29
As long their aim is for international socialism. If they promote racism, then it is not compatible with socialism.
Historical, they had not been compatible with international socialism due to nationalistic on the continent rather than helping the world toward international socialism.
Revy
6th September 2009, 04:54
Well, given what we have seen with the Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party and its regimes in Iraq and (currently) Syria, I am not sure that these Pan ideologies as we have seen them are really socialistic. But I do support socialist movements which broaden the struggle and take it beyond the borders of their own country. But preferably that movement should be fully internationalist in orientation.
Yehuda Stern
6th September 2009, 06:18
I've never heard of Pan-Asian movements before, and I know very little about Pan Africanism. However, the Pan-Arabists have always ended up serving some imperialist power, as all bourgeois nationalists are doomed to. For example, in Iraq, historically the imperialists have played different nationalists against one another, for example the Ba'ath party against Qassem, which allowed them to topple the latter's regime.
Die Neue Zeit
6th September 2009, 06:21
Other than my agreement with Stancel's remarks, there really isn't a drive for "pan-Asianism" as there is for "pan-Orientalism": India vs. China.
Die Neue Zeit
6th September 2009, 06:53
"Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word."
Can a similar logic be applied to the term "pan-nation" - though not in the bourgeois sense of the word?
Idealism
6th September 2009, 16:20
They are against working class consciousness. So they are not.
Also there is no pan Asianism of any sort. :rolleyes:
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_asianism)
Pogue
6th September 2009, 16:39
"Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word."
Can a similar logic be applied to the term "pan-nation" - though not in the bourgeois sense of the word?
Surely such "pan-nationalism" would simply just be proletarian internationalism? :confused:
Aesop
6th September 2009, 19:02
Well ‘Pan Africanism’ and Pan ‘Arabism’ are not incompatible with socialism. In which pan-African movement and pan-Arab movement is all about unity and traditional communitarian values and overriding the divisive tribal rivalries which exist and the selfish individualism (western capitalist ideology) which is seen to be imposed by their previous colonial masters. Also Marxist socialism also helps Africans, Arabs etc etc to understand the colonial experience.
Although in the long time its relevance may be debated.
Communist
6th September 2009, 19:12
Judge for yourself.
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