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Vanguard1917
5th September 2009, 12:29
Excellent article discussing why the '10:10' campaign is more about petty moralism than finding solutions to environmental problems. The final paragraph is particularly well done.

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Wearing thermals won't save the planet



Why is the 10:10 campaign, with its pledges to turn off lights and grow more veg, taken more seriously than geo-engineering?



Brendan O'Neill (http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/brendanoneill)
guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/), Wednesday 2 September 2009 12.36 BST

It never ceases to amaze me that people who say we can "save the planet" by wearing a jumper or growing our own veg are treated with the utmost seriousness, while those who argue that tackling climate change might require some larger-scale projects – such as geo-engineering the Earth – are treated as sci-fi freaks who should stick to reading Philip K Dick novels and stop polluting public debate with their insane ideas.

When it comes to climate change, the only acceptable debate, it seems, is how we can encourage ordinary people to do less, consume less and fly less. Bigger and more far-reaching ideas about how we might offset the impact of climate change are elbowed off the agenda.

This reveals something profound about environmentalism: it is not really a campaign to find solutions to the practical problem of climate change, but rather has become a semi-religious, almost medieval demonisation of human behaviour as dirty and destructive. This is really a priestly, ideological effort to lower people's horizons and expectations, rather than a focused attempt to create a less polluted planet.

Consider the events of yesterday. First, the 10:10 campaign (http://www.1010uk.org/) – supported by the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/10-10) – was launched (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/01/10-10-tate-modern-climate). Its aim is to encourage people and organisations to cut their carbon emissions by 10% in 2010.

Second, the Royal Society published a report (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/01/geo-technology-testing) on the need to invest in geo-engineering projects, such as putting a giant mirror on the moon to deflect the sun ray's from Earth or erecting enormous "CO2 scrubbers" to clean the air. (In keeping with orthodoxy, however, the Royal Society also said that such projects should not detract from their efforts to reduce carbon emissions.)

Needless to say, the 10:10 campaign – with its exhortations to "turn off the lights" or "grow veg on the balcony" – was treated more seriously than the Royal Society report. Indeed, Greenpeace (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/sep/01/climate-change-1010) rubbished any talk of geo-engineering, claiming that "intervening in our planet's systems carries huge risks" and will "undermine" the need to continue pursuing "emissions reductions". In short, large-scale solutions to climate change only divert attention from the myopic, mean-spirited focus on changing people's behaviour and outlook.

Unfortunately, the 10:10 campaign highlights the petty moralism behind environmentalism. At the launch at the Tate Modern last night, the artist Bob and Roberta Smith (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/feb/05/art1) suggested that people who own a 4x4 should spend a "night in the cells". Another attendee said "it's immoral to be wasteful".

Other 10:10 supporters promise to eat less "junk food" and to take fewer flights. It's hard to know what is more galling about these pledges to live a cleaner life: the fact that they implicitly demonise certain forms of leisurely behaviour – especially the kind enjoyed by the 4x4-driving, junk-food-eating nouveau riche – or the idea that making these minor changes will "save the planet".

There is a glaring disconnect between the scaremongering employed by environmentalists and their proposed solutions. In one breath they tell us we face the worst crisis in human history, one which will make "genocide and ethnic cleansing look like sideshows at the circus of human suffering", and in the next they tell us we can avoid this disaster by wearing thermal underwear instead of turning on the heat and going to Leon instead of McDonald's.

No wonder "ordinary people" aren't enthusiastically signing up to the environmentalist ethos. They know it simply doesn't make sense to say that we face an enviro-holocaust and then to claim we can prevent it by not taking a cheap flight to Majorca. Yesterday Ian Katz said (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/01/10-10-launch-ian-katz) that only "a small, saintly portion of the population" is taking climate change seriously; that is because the larger, presumably un-saintly portion of the population instinctively recognises that changing their lightbulbs will not prevent the alleged End of Days.

The moralistic nature of environmentalism was revealed in the reports of the 10:10 launch. It took place in the Tate Modern, a "cathedral to the concept of cutting emissions", the Guardian said; individuals held up pledge cards and promised to wear the 10:10 necklace, like a modern-day crucifix marking them out as Good. It reminded me more than anything else of those youthful members of the religious right in the US who take pledges to be decent people, only where they "just say no" to sex and alcohol, the 10:10 supporters "just say no" to junk food and flights.

Franny Armstrong flatteringly compares (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/sep/01/climate-change-1010) the 10:10 campaign to the Suffragette movement. Yet Sylvia Pankhurst said (http://www.marxists.org/archive/pankhurst-sylvia/1923/socialism.htm): "Socialism means plenty for all. We do not preach a gospel of want and scarcity, but of abundance … We do not call for limitation of births, for penurious thrift, and self-denial. We call for a great production that will supply all, and more than all the people can consume." The 10:10 campaign, I'm afraid, is the very opposite of that.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/sep/02/geo-engineering-10-10

bellyscratch
5th September 2009, 12:38
This is definitely the side of the environmental movement we need to be critical of. I think there is a small part of responsibility which the individual must take on, in regards to environmental destruction, but it needs to be facilitated much more by society so the indivdual isn't any worse off when they do so.

The environmental movement needs to lead the way and show just what is achievable in respect to living in more environmentally ways (part of what Climate Camp has attempted to do), but if this is not taken on board by the people from 'higher up', the they will inevitably fail. But as we all know, the contradictions of the capitalist system are setting them up to fail, and they know it, which is why they will constantly attack working class people and try force them to change their lives in the name of being environmentally friendly.

Vanguard1917
5th September 2009, 12:42
The environmental movement needs to lead the way and show just what is achievable in respect to living in more environmentally ways


For example? And why concentrate on people's lifestyles at all?

bellyscratch
5th September 2009, 12:50
For example? And why concentrate on people's lifestyles at all?

To show what is possible, even with little resources at hand?

So one thing at Scottish Climate Camp is solar panels and bike power are used to power things like laptops, phone charging, cinema, live music, DJs and lights. No power from any non-renewable resources used at all (if we had wind turbines, then that would of been of more help, but we didnt have much resources)

Vanguard1917
5th September 2009, 12:56
To show what is possible, even with little resources at hand?

I.e. teaching people how to restrict their consumption and live more frugally?



So one thing at Scottish Climate Camp is solar panels and bike power are used to power things like laptops, phone charging, cinema, live music, DJs and lights. No power from any non-renewable resources used at all


Lol, and you see this as a serious alternative to proper, socialised energy production?

It, of course, isn't. While it may make the eco-worriers feel better about themselves, it is not in any way a viable alternative to anything. Like the article points out, it's petty lifestylist moralism.

bellyscratch
5th September 2009, 13:06
I.e. teaching people how to restrict their consumption and live more frugally?

No. To show that if we developed these technologies as much as we should, then we'd be able to achieve even more.



Lol, and you see this as a serious alternative to proper, socialised energy production?

It, of course, isn't. While it may make the eco-worriers feel better about themselves, it is not in any way a viable alternative to anything. Like the article points out, it's petty lifestylist moralism.

Wrong again. Like I'm trying to point out before. It is about putting ideas into action now. If we show we are capable of doing it on a small scale, then production of these technologies can be expanded for wider use.

Vanguard1917
5th September 2009, 13:14
Wrong again. Like I'm trying to point out before. It is about putting ideas into action now. If we show we are capable of doing it on a small scale, then production of these technologies can be expanded for wider use.

Well, we're not going to power a developed industrial society using solar panels and wind turbines, at least not in the foreseable future. Renewable energy can supplement our energy supply, but it is not in a position to dominate it.

I think that environmentalists know this. They know that renewable energy can't fuel modern society and that's why they rally against things like mass prosperity and economic development.

bellyscratch
5th September 2009, 13:37
Well, we're not going to power a developed industrial society using solar panels and wind turbines, at least not in the foreseable future. Renewable energy can supplement our energy supply, but it is not in a position to dominate it.

I think that environmentalists know this. They know that renewable energy can't fuel modern society and that's why they rally against things like mass prosperity and economic development.

I think if its done in right way, renewable energy can play a far greater part than it currently is. True, maybe not as big as I'd like just yet, but its not even been given the chance to fulfill its potential at the moment. Most of the governments 'green' initiatives are just rhetoric and spin.

If you look at things like while the Vestas factory is being closed down in one of the most frequently windy countries in the world because there aren't enough wind farms being built; but at same time they are expanding open cast coal mining which is actually ruining people's lives through health implications. Doesn't sound like a plan for mass prosperity to me.

Killfacer
5th September 2009, 14:39
we should just go nuclear and be done with it.

ÑóẊîöʼn
5th September 2009, 18:30
Global problems require global solutions. There's no point in me personally skipping my Friday kebab if on the other side of the globe a new coal-burning power station is opened.

First of all what is needed is a major overhaul of our energy generation infrastructure. That means nuclear power and large-scale renewable energy projects such as concentrating solar thermal plants in the deserts - piddling little windmills and solar panels in one's back garden will never be able to take up anything but the minority of the slack if we were to completely abandon fossil fuels.

yuon
10th September 2009, 06:50
It's an interesting article, but one I don't 100% agree with.

But, I'm guessing I'll be one of the few to oppose it in any regard, so here we go. The actions of one person won't change much (assuming that we aren't talking about the super rich). However, I would guess that the point of such campaigns is to get as many people as possible to change their habits.

As for what Greenpeace is meant to have said:

"intervening in our planet's systems carries huge risks" and will "undermine" the need to continue pursuing "emissions reductions".
I'm not sure about the second bit, but sure as hell the first bit is correct. Cloud seeding is a method of getting rain to fall where you want it, rather than somewhere else. The trouble is, by diverting the rain from where it would "normally" have fallen, you risk upsetting the biosystem in that area. Sure, you might not consider that a "huge risk", but it's still a risk. (Wikipedia notes that apparently in China there is concern over different regions "stealing" rain as well.)

Because the climate system is not well understood, attempting large scale intervention in it, is potentially risky. (Though, I'm not sure how carbon dioxide scrubbers are risky, I can see how it might slow down the production of more energy efficient technology, that's def. needed.)

Anyway, I can't be fucked arguing the issue on environmental grounds (from what I've read, some people don't debate, they just repeat their opinion over and over without regard for the "environmentalists" opinion, facts or anything else).
I'll just say one more thing: wearing thermals (or just putting on more clothing) before turning on the heater is a sensible way to save money.