your opinion about seperatist groups

[danyboy27]

what is your opinion about it? do you generally support them or not?

i have no particular opinion except for the quebec separatist.
i dont support them, mainly beccause of the way they try to tell you how evil the english speaking folks are, how they submitted the french 2000 year ago etc etc. if one day the place i live gain independence, it will more likely end up in a fascist state or an authoritarian version of leftism.

if this happen, i am moving out, its that simple.

[New Tet]

As any genuine socialist will tell you, union, where it is possible and desireable, is superior to division.

The only "separation" I support is the one that removes the capitalist from ownership and control of the means of production. And to achieve that the only course to take is to UNITE the working class.

[Demogorgon]

It strikes me as somewhat paranoid to suggest that an independent Quebec would be fascist.

Anyway, division is bad but so is any kind of unequal relationship. Where people are being crowded out by a dominant authority, political independence is necessary. You have to draw a distinction between independence and trying to build walls between people. I don't support anything that would restrict free movement and so forth.

[danyboy27]

It strikes me as somewhat paranoid to suggest that an independent Quebec would be fascist.

Anyway, division is bad but so is any kind of unequal relationship. Where people are being crowded out by a dominant authority, political independence is necessary. You have to draw a distinction between independence and trying to build walls between people. I don't support anything that would restrict free movement and so forth.

well, there is 2 types of extremists in quebec, the separatist, mainly sectarian left wings, and there is also another bucnh that stands for privatisation, the return for death penality, that kind of stuff.

but if there is something that i am sure is that an eventual seperation will result into an excessive loss of freedom for me and my family.

i am not a paranoid, there is a LOT of stuff those extremists have been saying that implies they wont support any kind of opposition, for starters some of them actually mentionned that all media should be under the control of the party once independence will be made.
there is already a strong protectionism here, if you make the governement of quebec in full control this is gonna be so insane. they are giving tickets for people talking with their cellphone in their car! smaoking ban everywhere, this is insane.

for them i will be nothing but another canadian sympathizer, a traitor. i will be either an outcast or arrested.

[Brusilov(Conservative]

As any genuine socialist will tell you, union, where it is possible and desireable, is superior to division.


For me, it depends on just whom you are united with

[RGacky3]

As any genuine socialist will tell you, union, where it is possible and desireable, is superior to division.

These are not about union or division, its about power, its about minorities being ruled by people that dont have their intrests in mind. Its about autonomy.

Unity does not mean a large centralized government.

I dont' know much about the Quebec independance movement, but for me, the more decentralized the power the better. The more power the people have the better, thats where I stand.

[The Thinker]

there is already a strong protectionism here, if you make the governement of quebec in full control this is gonna be so insane. they are giving tickets for people talking with their cellphone in their car! smaoking ban everywhere, this is insane.

Stuff like this is going on all over the globe. So to define that as being a sign of the country turning in to a fascist state or whatever seems a little far fetched to me.


i am not a paranoid, there is a LOT of stuff those extremists have been saying that implies they wont support any kind of opposition, for starters some of them actually mentionned that all media should be under the control of the party once independence will be made.

Are you under the assumption that most media is at this moment NOT being controlled by the political system in power at the moment?

[danyboy27]

Are you under the assumption that most media is at this moment NOT being controlled by the political system in power at the moment?

well, there is a huuge gap between the actual influance of the governement on the media and total control of the mediaa lot of dictatorship and totalitarian regime put in place.

some guy in the media industry who received death threat here beccause they spoke against the seperatist.

imagine those kind of sicko in power

[The Thinker]

well, there is a huuge gap between the actual influance of the governement on the media and total control of the mediaa lot of dictatorship and totalitarian regime put in place.

some guy in the media industry who received death threat here beccause they spoke against the seperatist.

imagine those kind of sicko in power

I genuinely feel that you are underestimating the influence the government has on the media. A simple example for this is just about anything that has to do with the War in Afghanistan or the events prior to this war that supposedly have led to this conflict.

[danyboy27]

I genuinely feel that you are underestimating the influence the government has on the media. A simple example for this is just about anything that has to do with the War in Afghanistan or the events prior to this war that supposedly have led to this conflict.

still, there is a difference between being misinformed and having the news guy saying you that your president is the best thing that happened to your country after unicorn and glowing kitten.

do you seriously think that some stalin-like run media is actually better than the current one?

[The Thinker]

still, there is a difference between being misinformed and having the news guy saying you that your president is the best thing that happened to your country after unicorn and glowing kitten.

do you seriously think that some stalin-like run media is actually better than the current one?


I fail to see the difference between being lied to on a constant basis and having someone actually admit to the fact that they are manipulating our largest source of general information.

As well I think you are commonly misinterpreting communism with the views and actions of Joseph Stalin which are a long way away from the initial definition and intentions of communism.

[Crurkean]

Generally yes.

As a Far Rightist White Nationalist the status quo is the enemy.

I support all colored Racial separatism as a way to help awaken White lemmings!

I support Hawaiin autonomous zone for ONLY ethnic Hawaiins (they have called for this recently). Whites should be excluded from this zone, making it a Racial Conflict and showing the need for White Nationalism

I support the Aztlan movement of the brown-skinned mestizos. I want them to take over all the South west and begin ethnically cleansing Whites! That would help to really wake the lemmings up and move them to White Nationalism! WORSE IS BETTER FOR NOW!

Race is all, economics is nothing. (read Baron Julius Evolas deconstruction of Materialism)

Oh and I also support Palestinians! :redstar2000: