Hitler playing chess with Lenin

[Redmau5]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01474/chess_1474122c.jpg (http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01474/chess_1474122c.jpg)


An extraordinary etching of a young Adolf Hilter playing chess against Vladimir Lenin has come to light. The art work is by Hilter's Jewish art teacher Emma Lowenstramm who witnessed the game Photo: BNPS

The image is said to have been created in Vienna by Hitler's art teacher, Emma Lowenstramm, and is signed on the reverse by the two dictators.

Hitler was a jobbing artist in the city in 1909 and Lenin was in exile and the house where they allegedly played the game belonged to a prominent Jewish family.

In the run-up to the Second World War the Jewish family fled and gave many of their possessions, including the etching and chess set, to their housekeeper.

Now their housekeeper's great-great grandson is selling the image and the chess set at auction. Both items have a pre-sale estimate of £40,000.

The unnamed vendor is confident the items are genuine after his father spent a lifetime attempting to prove their authenticity.

He compiled a 300-page forensic document that included tests on the paper, the signatures and research on those involved.

Experts, however, have questioned its authenticity especially the identification of Lenin who they say might have been confused with one of his associates.

Full article at - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/6130672/Pictured-Hitler-playing-chess-with-Lenin.html

Surely this didn't actually happen.

[Dr Mindbender]

Maybe Lenin beat him which is why he hated communists so much!

''Gah you beat me! So i vill kill everyvun int ze vorld!''

[NecroCommie]

Lenin was known to be a passionate chess player, challenging anyone who would just agree to play... But Hitler? Could anyone shed some light on this?

[Patchd]

It was when Hitler was an arts student, does anyone know whether he had the same politics that he became famous for then, or was it different? Still, lol.

Konclushunz: Lenin <3 Hitler

[mykittyhasaboner]

two dictatorsTypical.


The etching is thought to be one of five and shows Hitler - playing with the white pieces - sitting by a window, with Lenin opposite him in half shadow.
Of course Hitler would pick the white pieces, sadistic bastard.

Lenin on the other hand wised up and let his sniveling opponent have a temporary "advantage", possibly foreshadowing later events.

In all seriousness this probably didn't happen though.

[NecroCommie]

Lenin on the other hand wised up and let his sniveling opponent have a temporary "advantage", possibly foreshadowing later events.

In all seriousness this probably didn't happen though.
Lenin actually was known to voluntarily even remove pieces before the game, if playing against more inexperienced players. He liked the challenge they say.

[Dr Mindbender]

Apparently the etching has the signatures of Hitler and Lenin on it. All they need to do is check those for authenticity. I think it might be genuine, Lenin was roaming Europe at the time and Hitler wasnt famous at the time so theres no reason for Lenin to mention him in future conversation.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Lenin died as Hitler was painting, so he wouldn't know that his opponent is becoming serious later in life.

[ComradeOm]

That's not Lenin. He was almost entirely bald long before 1909

[Pogue]

interesting...

[Gustav HK]

Lenin died as Hitler was painting, so he wouldn't know that his opponent is becoming serious later in life.

No, when Lenin died, Hitler had already comitted the Beer Hall Putsch.

[red cat]

That's not Lenin. He was almost entirely bald long before 1909

Good point.

[Redmau5]

That's not Lenin. He was almost entirely bald long before 1909

I'm pretty sure he wore wigs though throughout his travels, in order to disguise himself.

[NecroCommie]

That is not true. He only carried dozens of names, but the general appearance barely changed at all. You will have to understand that during those times there was little need to adequately disguise oneself if far away from homeland. The only time he used disguise was when returning for the october revolution. He needed to fool the borderland guards.

http://www.killcastro.com/BLOG/uploaded_images/lenin_photo2-739064.jpg

[scarletghoul]

who won??

[NecroCommie]

Lenin, isn't it obvious! How could anyone win a chess game who attacks country the size of Russia in winter? :rolleyes:

[Holden Caulfield]

I love these bollocks things, the Karl Marx/Nietzsche meeting is the bullshit story of two great men par excellence

[Led Zeppelin]

Well if it did happen I'm going to renounce everything Lenin wrote or did, because it proves that he was a disgusting Nazi who liked Hitler! :mad:

[ComradeOm]

Well if it did happen I'm going to renounce everything Lenin wrote or did, because it proves that he was a disgusting Nazi who liked Hitler! :mad:Oh its long been proved on this forum that Lenin and the Bolsheviks were all fascists

[Led Zeppelin]

I think it's funny how both we and Stormfront (http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?p=7296883) are denying that the one is Hitler or the other is Lenin. :p

Regardless, this stood out in the article but wasn't posted in the OP:


"It is also known that Lenin was a German agent and the house was where people went to exchange political views.

Yes, it's very widely known that Lenin was a German agent, in 1909 no less. :rolleyes:

Also:


Historian Helen Rappaport, who has just written a book called "Conspirator: Lenin in Exile", said the etching was probably a "glorious piece of fantasy".

She said: "In 1909 Lenin was in France and there is no evidence that he was in Vienna.
"In October he went to Liege in Belgium and in November he went to Brussels. He would have visited Vienna before and after that year.

The thing is though, it's a drawing. Anyone can draw whatever the hell they like, it doesn't mean a thing, regardless of who the people portrayed in the painting are alleged to be.

[F9]

Happened!And the winner really was....




me

[h0m0revolutionary]

"The image is said to have been created in Vienna by Hitler's art teacher, Emma Lowenstramm, and is signed on the reverse by the two dictators. "

I love the Telegraph =D

[Bilan]

I so don't care.

[Angry Young Man]

Yea I daresay that isn't Lenin. The face shape is totally different.

Plus if Hitler had ever seen Lenin, he would have gone from Saul to Paul and become a Marxist

[Wanted Man]

Yes, it's very widely known that Lenin was a German agent, in 1909 no less. :rolleyes:

Lenin was a German agent in 1909, in the employ of then Gestapo chief Hitler. Hitler would later become the Emperor of Germany in 1911, and start the Franco-Prussian war in 1916. This explains the parallel lives of these twin totalitarian dictators.

Duh.

[ZeroNowhere]

Presumably Lenin worked out that he could never be as good as Anderssen, and therefore gave up to pursue a less interesting role in history.

[The Feral Underclass]

It was when Hitler was an arts student, does anyone know whether he had the same politics that he became famous for then, or was it different? Still, lol.

Unless Ian Kershaw's research was wrong and Hitler was lying in Mein Kampf he was always consistent in his hatred towards Bolshevism. His politics was always within the nationalist right.


Lenin died as Hitler was painting, so he wouldn't know that his opponent is becoming serious later in life.

In 1924 Hitler was already the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party. He stopped being a serious painter in about 1913.


Hitler's face is in the shade and the other guy doesn't look like Lenin at all

It doesn't look anything like Lenin at all, you're right. Even if it's how Lenin looked when he was younger, Hitler looks much older than he would have done in 1909. Lenin is too young looking and Hitler too old looking.

In my view, this is bullshit. There is nothing about this picture that demonstrates it's either of them. Least of all because they wouldn't look anything like what they do in those pictures if it were.

[kharacter]

Maybe Lenin beat him which is why he hated communists so much!

''Gah you beat me! So i vill kill everyvun int ze vorld!''

sounds like Izzard. There should never be a lack of the man's quotes

[Abc]

I dont think thats lenin, the person hitler is playing looks more like Edgar Allan Poe
http://www.fusionanomaly.net/edgarallanpoe.gif
but as one of our friends on SF pointed out if this was taken in 1907 then hitler would have only been 18 and if you look at pictures of hitler while he was serving in WW1 he did not have his trademark moustache yet
http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/images/ahitww1.jpg

[amandevsingh]

It must be symbolic, if it really is even Lenin. I am assuming this is a painting and not a photograph

[Dr Mindbender]

sounds like Izzard. There should never be a lack of the man's quotes

Yes! Someone spotted that. :laugh:

[KC]

Hitler's face is in the shade and the other guy doesn't look like Lenin at all.:glare:

Actually I think it looks remarkably like Lenin did at that time. Here's a photo of him from 1910:

http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/photo/1895-1917/1910-00.jpg

[cb9's_unity]

Why is this picture of any significance. We already know that they met each other in the 1910 Vienna Baby Eating Contest. It is said that they shared quite a delightful conversion after engorging themselves on the young.

[NecroCommie]

Why is this picture of any significance. We already know that they met each other in the 1910 Vienna Baby Eating Contest. It is said that they shared quite a delightful conversion after engorging themselves on the young.
Yes, yes... However the most important of their meetings was in Hitlers secret submarine lair, in which they both sacrificed virgins, conspired world domination through international banking and blackmailed united nations with hidden Nuclear ballistic missiles.

The remarkable impact of that meeting is proven by the fact that they managed to blackmail yet nonexistent organization.

[Mindtoaster]

Honestly, thats the first time I've really read Lenin being reffered to as a "dictator"

What shit

[NecroCommie]

Honestly, thats the first time I've really read Lenin being reffered to as a "dictator"

What shit
Well, obviously he was a dictator... He was a communist! Duh!
Luckily we in the west have freedom democracy liberal freedomy liberty friberty.

[spiltteeth]

I think it's real, and they are discussing both Kennedy's assassination and a diabolical plot to put a Nazi Marxist Kenyan in the White house.

[Dimentio]

Hitler did not even look like that in 1909. The other guy is remniscent of Molotov.